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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 09:05:33 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 08:47:39 2014. I VERY MUCH AWTLP! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 09:06:53 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 13 21:46:12 2014. Your racism salaam against whites is very obvious. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 09:32:32 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 22:54:24 2014. That's bullshit. It is not inherently racist to be opposed to unlimited immigration. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 09:57:46 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 22:54:24 2014. Against my better judgement, but here goes:The point is that "illegal" white immigrants considered it right, just, and inevitable that they would settle in this country and kick out the people already there Utterly nonsensical. There was no "government" here for anything to be "illegal". and now their descendants are claiming Forgetting how absurd the argument is to begin with, how many direct decedents f the very early settlers do you think are here. Decendents? All white people are related to eachother? What a brainwashed white guilt piece of shit argument for one, second, MOST of the "white" people here are decendents of LEGAL immigrants. Millions of them came especially starting in late 1800's and early 1900's. Most are decendents of THEM. A category of "white people", you completely left out of your argument, the majority no less. claiming it's wrong for "illegal" brown immigrants to settle in this country and live alongside the people already here. Why is ILLEGAL in quotes. All Hispanics (brown people?????) are not ILLEGAL. Many are, many are not. And to lump them all together is disgusting. You fail to see the difference between ILLEGAL immigrants and LEGAL immigrants, especially putting "quotes" around ILLEGAL. If they did not go through the process that is required for immigrants to come here, they are ILLEGAL. If they went through the process and everything they have to do to come here, they are LEGAL. You are defending those that cut the line in front of all the many LEGAL immigrants that come here, many of which ARE Hispanic (Brown people??????). This country was built on immigration, LEGAL immigration, of many different nationalities and races. They came LEGAL, and you are dumping them into the same pot as those that came here ILLEGALLY, and NO, illegal is not in quotes. I don't care what your ancestors did; if you believe people shouldn't be allowed to live in America because they were born somewhere else, that makes you a racist. No it does not. Your FAR LEFTIST propaganda aside, there aren't many against LEGAL immigration. And being against ILLEGAL immigration, and those that broke the law to come here is NOT racist. It has NOTHING to do with race. Illegal WHITE Russians shouldn't be here any more than Mexicans or name a place of origin. Being against ILLEGAL immigration is not against IMMIGRATION. However, it does make you a racist. And it makes you a FAR LEFT EXTREMIST, as you have nothing better to argue against those that are against ILLEGAL immigration, so out comes the race card. How typical. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 14 10:04:24 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 22:54:24 2014. I wonder what someone like Nilet thinks of all the Mexican nationals in Mexico who want illegal immigrants from Guatemala, el Salvador, Honduras, etc........ out of their country?Is that racism? Or is it only racist when white men in this country express that view. Most countries have people who think immigration should stop or better enforced. Mexicans vs. Guatemala. DR vs. Haiti. It's almost a human nature, not something only white men feel strongly about. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 10:07:34 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 14 10:04:24 2014. I wonder what someone like Nilet thinks of all the Mexican nationals in Mexico who want illegal immigrants from Guatemala, el Salvador, Honduras, etc........ out of their country?Exactly. I guess they must be "racist". What country has "open borders", there has to be some rule of law followed. Otherwise it's anarchy. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 14 10:09:50 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 09:32:32 2014. Good post. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:11:30 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 08:47:39 2014. Every ILLEGAL immigrant here is an insult to the legal ones that did everything they are supposed to do to come here.You still haven't explained what they're "supposed" to do. They did everything I did when I moved, so how come they're here "illegally" and I'm not? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:13:14 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 09:05:33 2014. That's not surprising, since we already know you're a racist. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Apr 14 14:16:13 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 09:06:53 2014. coming from a KKK NAZI member you have a lot of nerve |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Apr 14 14:16:28 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:11:30 2014. I'm notYou have American citizenship, they don't, and they lack the legal authorization to travel and stay in this country on permanent basis. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 14:31:39 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:11:30 2014. You still haven't explained what they're "supposed" to do.Huh? There's a process to immigrating to the US. There's paperwork, and things you have to do. You can't just come here and decide to stay. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/09/26/20100926united-states-immigration-legal-ways.html http://www.legalzoom.com/us-law/immigration/becoming-american-understanding-legal-and They did everything I did when I moved, No they haven't. When you moved from where? Are you a natural born citizen? so how come they're here "illegally" and I'm not? If you are a natural born American citizen, they you are NOT an immigrant. If you are a naturalized citizen, obviously you did what you need legally to do so. If you are a LEGAL Alien, you have a green card which means you did what you need to get that. If you have none of those things, and you are not here on a travel or work visa (that is not expired), or other paperwork that says you are allowed to be here, you are ILLEGAL. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Apr 14 14:35:03 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 22:42:44 2014. which reduces the demand for labour in AmericaMany of the jobs that are being discussed are jobs that are in the United States and have little chance of being sent overseas. We can't export janitors, landscapers, nannies, or busboys to Bangladesh. If I can move 5,000 miles without anybody claiming I'm "illegally" present in my new home town, then why should someone who only moved 500 miles be told that? I can drive up to Montreal and overstay my permitted time there making my presence in Canada illegal, and the Canadians would have every right to send my ass back to the US and bar my entry to their country in the future. While travelling to Hawaii from New York means that you're still within the boundaries of the United States, the simple drive to a city 350 miles away requires crossing the frontiers into a different country that has a process for immigrating for those who seek to stay in the country permanently. Coincidentally, Canadians can't just hop a fence and stay in America either. They have to apply for permanent status too. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 14:38:35 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:13:14 2014. You know me? You don't know me. I don't know you. Who are you? What are you? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 14:39:59 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Apr 14 14:16:13 2014. I'll admit it if you admit it. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 14:40:00 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Apr 14 14:16:13 2014. I'll admit it if you admit it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 14:45:24 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 22:42:44 2014. That presumes that anybody is not "supposed" to be here. On what basis can we meaningfully declare that one person is "meant" to be here and another isn't?Countries do not have open borders. There's a process to become a member of a country. Name a country worth living in that just allows open borders. Even Mexico itself does not allow non-Mexicans to just take up residency there. There's a process to becoming a Mexican Citizen, or a resident of THAT country too....just like any country does. When I moved to my current apartment, no one claimed I had to leave because I hadn't followed the correct "process" to come here. What a ridiculous analogy. You are equating a move of an American Citizen (I assume you are one) from one apartment to another home to changing the country you live in? What does one have to do with the other. But I will bite.... And there still is a process to renting an apartment, you probably had to sign a lease, or you had some kind of an agreement with the landlord of terms and conditions, rent to be paid, etc if he allowed you to take up residency in his property. You can't just walk into an apartment and take up residency in it. If I wanted, I could move thousands of miles away and live in Hawaii without anyone claiming I didn't belong there and had to go back. ????? Yeah, so? If you are an American citizen, a naturalized citizen, or a legal alien, you can also. What does where in the United States you move have to do with anything? Can you decide to go to Mexico City and decide to live there? Can you go to Montreal and just decide to live there without any paperwork, or doing the legal process with the Mexican or Canadian government? It's irrelevant if you move 30 miles across an international border or 3000 miles across the country, if you cross an international border, you have a process to do so. To compare immigration from one country to another to changing an apartment is utterly absurd. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Apr 14 14:45:53 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 14:39:59 2014. what are you going to admit ?come on |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:45:53 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 09:57:46 2014. Utterly nonsensical. There was no "government" here for anything to be "illegal".Excuse me? Um, I know you're a racist and all, but did you seriously forget that there were actually people living on this continent before all the colonists showed up? Or do you just think that they don't count? Forgetting how absurd the argument is to begin with, how many direct decedents f the very early settlers do you think are here. Decendents? All white people are related to eachother? Ah, I was wondering why you accused me of being a "know-it-all" in my response to Terrapin earlier. Turns out you have a habit of taking things literally too! What a brainwashed white guilt piece of shit argument for one... "White guilt?" Yep. You're definitely a racist, alright. ...second, MOST of the "white" people here are decendents of LEGAL immigrants. Millions of them came especially starting in late 1800's and early 1900's. Most are decendents of THEM. A category of "white people", you completely left out of your argument, the majority no less. What makes them "legal" immigrants? Which first nations did they get permission from? Or if they were "legal" immigrants, then what makes the current group of immigrants "illegal?" I'm sure most of them got permission from somebody to be here. Why is ILLEGAL in quotes. Because despite my repeated requests, no one has managed to explain why it's "illegal" for someone to move to an apartment in New York even though I did just that without anybody claiming it was wrong. All Hispanics (brown people?????) are not ILLEGAL. Many are, many are not. And to lump them all together is disgusting. You fail to see the difference between ILLEGAL immigrants and LEGAL immigrants, especially putting "quotes" around ILLEGAL. You're the one declaring a subset of people to be "illegal," so you have absolutely no right to call anything "disgusting." If there is a difference between "legal" and "illegal" immigrants, then what is it? If they did not go through the process that is required for immigrants to come here, they are ILLEGAL. If they went through the process and everything they have to do to come here, they are LEGAL. What process? And why is it required? I never went through any process to live here. Does that mean I'm "illegal?" You are defending those that cut the line in front of all the many LEGAL immigrants that come here... I "cut in line" across quite a few people who wanted to come here, and I'm sure you did too. Does that make us "illegal?" This country was built on immigration, LEGAL immigration, of many different nationalities and races. Actually, "this country" (in the sense of the legal/political entity "The United States of America") was founded by "illegal" immigrants— a fact that you ignored because apparently you don't think natives/first nations count as people. They came LEGAL, and you are dumping them into the same pot as those that came here ILLEGALLY If there's a distinction between "legal" and "illegal," then what is it? As I said, I moved to a new apartment and no one claimed this is "wrong" or "illegal," so why is it illegal if anyone else does it? What exactly did I do to be considered "legal" that the supposedly "illegal" people didn't? No it does not. Your FAR LEFTIST propaganda aside, there aren't blah blah blah blah blah The point which you are apparently missing is that if you declare members of Race A are automatically entitled to a particular right, while members of Race B are entitled to that right only if they receive special dispensation that has to be earned through great effort, then you are racist, and pointing to the handful of members of Race B who have "earned" the right that Race A receives automatically doesn't make you less racist. Illegal WHITE Russians shouldn't be here any more than Mexicans... OK, so you're racist against Russians as well as Mexicans. Big screaming deal. There's more to race than pigmentation, you know— race is a decidedly murky category where distinctions have been made based on ancestry and even culture. Being against ILLEGAL immigration is not against IMMIGRATION. OK, so suppose I decide to immigrate from New York to Hawaii. Would I be "legal" or "illegal?" Suppose someone else decides to immigrate from Guadalajara to Hawaii. Would they be "legal" or "illegal?" Why? And it makes you a FAR LEFT EXTREMIST... Arguing that racism is bad makes me a "far left extremist?" What's wrong, you're upset that Olog is crazier than you and want to give him a run for his money? ... so out comes the race card. I always roll my eyes every time a racist claims that his opponent is "playing the race card." |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 14:47:43 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 14:38:35 2014. He calls anyone that dares question his far leftist ideology a "racist".Racist is the term the far extreme left uses when they can't come up with any other reason to attack a claim. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 14:53:04 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Apr 14 14:45:53 2014. I am going to admit to It. If you admit to It. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:53:16 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 14 10:04:24 2014. I wonder what someone like Nilet thinks of all the Mexican nationals in Mexico who want illegal immigrants from Guatemala, el Salvador, Honduras, etc........ out of their country? Is that racism?Yep. Or is it only racist when white men in this country express that view. Of course not. That you would assume it implies you're racist. Most countries have people who think immigration should stop or better enforced. Mexicans vs. Guatemala. DR vs. Haiti. It's almost a human nature, not something only white men feel strongly about. I never said that racism wasn't human nature, and I never claimed there was a single society on the planet that didn't have racism in some shape or form. We're tribalistic by nature; our species evolved in small social groups and so developed a natural tendency to distinguish an extremely tiny in-group of "us" from the out-group of "them" comprising the rest of the species, and who it is fine to kill in cold blood. If anything, racism is an improvement over the prehistoric days in which "in-group" or "us" status only applied to people we knew personally. But just as segregation was technically an improvement over slavery, it's still wrong. And that we are biologically predisposed to racism doesn't make it any less wrong. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 14:53:31 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 14:47:43 2014. ikr |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:54:56 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 14:38:35 2014. You know me? You don't know me.I don't need to know you to know that you're racist; you have said as much yourself. What are you? Case in point. You have repeatedly declared that the validity of my arguments is determined by the colour of my skin or the birthplace of my ancestors. Ergo, you are a racist. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:55:42 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 14:47:43 2014. Aw, one racist assuring another racist that only "far left" people oppose racism.If it weren't so evil it would be kind of cute. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 14:56:42 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:54:56 2014. And you're a prick. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:57:12 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Apr 14 14:45:53 2014. He seems to be claiming that he'll admit to his own white and/or Jewish supremacy if you "admit" that believing different races are equal is actually racism. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:58:16 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 14:56:42 2014. How do you know? Don't you need to determine what race I am first? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 15:00:24 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 09:32:32 2014. I suppose not, but it is racist to declare that the right to immigrate to a particular city or town is dependent on where you or your ancestors were born. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 15:01:32 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:45:53 2014. Excuse me? Um, I know you're a racistWhat are you some kind of a leftist propaganda tool? You deterine if anyone is a racist because they think there needs to be a process for orderly entrance to a country? That same law is in effect for whatever non-US country you come from, and no matter the race SO please leave your name calling and accusations at the door you poor soul. and all, but did you seriously forget that there were actually people living on this continent before all the colonists showed up? Or do you just think that they don't count? There was a process. There were wars. Borders change. And many places were actually "bought" from the Indians. Take New York for example. The Dutch BOUGHT it from the Indians. They then lost it in war to the British. The Americans won a war and got it from the British, and so forth. Do you think any country just always had the "people" that are there from the beginning. The borders of Europe for example changed many times too. Do you think the current borders don't count, just because they used to be someone else's borders, different borders? Do you think we didn't acquire Texas, California, New Mexico, Arizona after the war with Mexico? Do those states and land still belong to the Mexicans too? Actually, "this country" (in the sense of the legal/political entity "The United States of America") was founded by "illegal" immigrants— a fact that you ignored because apparently you don't think natives/first nations count as people. No it wasn't. That is the most ridiculous argument yet. This is a country. Name a country that always existed and borders never changed, former people displaced. Name one. Borders change. They always have, but that doesn't mean there isn't rule of law in the new formation. The point which you are apparently missing is that if you declare members of Race A are automatically entitled to a particular right, while members of Race B are entitled to that right only if they receive special dispensation that has to be earned through great effort Who has special entilement? You have to follow the same process to come here whether you are Mexican, African, German, RUssian, Polish, El Salvadorian, or name a country or nationality. WHo has special entitlement? racist Do you know how ito communicate without labeling people who debate or disagree with your assessment names or labels? You are a vile POS poor soul if you have to use that to attempt to be heard. It's sad actually. OK, so suppose I decide to immigrate from New York to Hawaii. Would I be "legal" or "illegal?" Suppose someone else decides to immigrate from Guadalajara to Hawaii. Would they be "legal" or "illegal?" Why? Hawaii is a United States STATE. If you don't know that, please look at your geography. Hawaii is not a different country. Is that too hard for you to understand? OK, so you're racist against Russians as well as Mexicans. Big screaming deal. There's more to race than pigmentation, you know— race is a decidedly murky category where distinctions have been made based on ancestry and even culture. Racist against Russians, you pPiece of garbage? What the HELLL is that supposed to mean? I used a random white country. It doesn't matter WHERE they come from. there is a process to become a member of this country, as it is with any country. That could be filled in with ANY country. WHy is it "racist" to agree with the law of the United states as set forth? Arguing that racism is bad makes me a "far left extremist?" But you aren't arguing racism is wrong. You are calling anyone against illegal immigration a "racist". I always roll my eyes every time a racist claims that his opponent is "playing the race card." Good for you as I roll my eyes when you feel the need of bringing race into any argument. You only see the world in terms of color and it's pathetic. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 15:02:32 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:55:42 2014. Go to hell you piece of garbage. And you wonder why people can't have adult conversation and debate with you you vile human being. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 15:03:29 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:58:16 2014. A dick comes in any race. And you are one for sure. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 15:03:56 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 14:57:12 2014. Let me guess, you don't believe salaam is a racist do you? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 14 15:05:48 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 15:03:29 2014. But he does have a point. Why does CMM need to know the ethnicity of people he is debating with? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 15:06:55 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 14 15:05:48 2014. Nilet calls anyone who doesn't agree with him a racist. I hadn't followed his go along with CMM, but he just throws "racist" around to anyone who doesn't agree with his ideology. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 15:20:16 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 14:45:24 2014. Countries do not have open borders. There's a process to become a member of a country. Name a country worth living in that blah blah blah blah blahI never said that racism was rare, I just said it was wrong. No matter how universal it is. What a ridiculous analogy. You are equating a move of an American Citizen (I assume you are one) from one apartment to another home to changing the country you live in? What does one have to do with the other. OK, so American citizenship is necessary to live in America— so why is it that I have that and the supposedly "illegal" immigrants don't? I never applied for citizenship and I certainly never jumped through any hoops to get it. But I will bite.... And there still is a process to renting an apartment, you probably had to sign a lease, or you had some kind of an agreement with the landlord of terms and conditions, rent to be paid, etc if he allowed you to take up residency in his property. You can't just walk into an apartment and take up residency in it. No, I can't just walk into an apartment and claim it, but nobody ever did. If the correct "process" to move to an apartment is to form an agreement with the landlord specifying condition and rent (or to get permission from the apartment's owner in general, I guess) then why are you declaring that some people are "illegal" even if they followed that process? Moreover, if I did just walk into an apartment and take up residency, you'd probably say I was illegally occupying the apartment or that I was trespassing, but I doubt you'd claim that I'm inherently "illegal" as a person. ????? Yeah, so? If you are an American citizen, a naturalized citizen, or a legal alien, you can also. OK, so we've established that American citizenship automatically confers the right to move to Hawaii. But as I said, I never applied for American citizenship. I never had to jump through any hoops to get it. I never had to "earn" it. So if someone else wants to move to Hawaii, why can't they register for American citizenship (or "legal alien" status) and do it too? What does where in the United States you move have to do with anything? The entire argument is about who is allowed to move where, so asking where I or someone else is allowed to move and why seems perfectly apropos to me. Can you decide to go to Mexico City and decide to live there? Can you go to Montreal and just decide to live there without any paperwork, or doing the legal process with the Mexican or Canadian government? Pointing to the existence of other racists or the universality of racism does not disprove that you are a racist. It's irrelevant if you move 30 miles across an international border or 3000 miles across the country, if you cross an international border, you have a process to do so. Yes. If I move to a different city, there is a "process" to do so. If I move to a different state, there is a "process" to do so then too. The problem is that you're trying to argue for a double standard— an easy process for Alice or Bob and a different, nearly impossible process for Carlos and Dominique. More specifically, you're trying to claim that who gets the easy process and who is forced to go through the nearly impossible process should be determined by birth and ancestry— distinctions generally categorised under "race." |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 15:20:53 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 14 15:05:48 2014. Well, I know that you are a tube of toothpaste.
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Posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 15:22:36 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 15:06:55 2014. in the case of CMM racist is accurate. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 15:30:50 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by dand124 on Mon Apr 14 15:22:36 2014. Who are you? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 14 15:31:36 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 15:30:50 2014. He's a racist and a stalker. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Apr 14 15:31:51 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 15:20:16 2014. distinctions generally categorised under "race."I guess Europeans, Australians, and Canadians aren't white anymore, and subject to discrimination by the man and his evil immigration rules. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 15:38:37 2014, in response to Re: "Conservative" Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 14 15:31:36 2014. LOL |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 15:57:20 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 15:01:32 2014. What are you some kind of a leftist propaganda tool? You deterine if anyone is a racist because they think there needs to be a process for orderly entrance to a country?No, I determine that someone is a racist because they think they think a society established by white people is a "country" whose laws have to be obeyed, but the society that those white people forcibly displaced doesn't count at all. If you're not a racist then answer this: Why do people who want to live in North America today need permission from the people already living on the continent, but the people who came to North America a few hundred years ago not only didn't need permission from the people already living on the continent, but were perfectly justified in killing them? That same law is in effect for whatever non-US country you come from, and no matter the race... Ah, it doesn't matter what race you are— if you're not part of this race, you aren't allowed to live here. Totally not racist. Remember, race covers ancestry— not just pigmentation. Take New York for example. The Dutch BOUGHT it from the Indians. Citation needed. Closest I was able to find was that the Dutch bought the rights to non-exclusive use of Manhattan for hunting. They then lost it in war to the British. The Americans won a war and got it from the British, and so forth. Do you think any country just always had the "people" that are there from the beginning. So you're arguing that might makes right? Not racist, I admit, but also not much of an improvement. Do you think the current borders don't count, just because they used to be someone else's borders, different borders? Do you think we didn't acquire Texas, California, New Mexico, Arizona after the war with Mexico? Do those states and land still belong to the Mexicans too? No, I think land doesn't "belong" to specific races period. See, that's why I keep calling you a racist— because no matter how much you scream and no matter how much shit and non sequiturs you fling, at the end of the day, you are claiming that specific swaths of land are reserved for the exclusive use of specific races (and members of other races who get special dispensation which is rarely granted). This is a country. Yes, I think we've established that. Name a country that always existed and borders never changed, former people displaced. Name one. Borders change. They always have, but that doesn't mean there isn't rule of law in the new formation. You keep consistently missing the point. The point is this: Name a city. It could be any city in any country. Name any six people who want to move to that city. Do they all have the same right to move to that city or do some need special permission while others don't? If so, why? On what basis? Who has special entilement? You have to follow the same process to come here whether you are Mexican, African, Africa is not a country German, RUssian, Polish, El Salvadorian, or name a country or nationality. WHo has special entitlement? I do. You do. If you think otherwise, then explain exactly what the "process to come here" is and show that you went through it. Do you know how ito communicate without labeling people who debate or disagree with your assessment names or labels? Non sequitur. You said that certain rights are contingent on race, so I said you're a racist. If you read through this forum, you will notice that I disagree with many people but I only call the racist ones racists. Hawaii is a United States STATE. If you don't know that, please look at your geography. Hawaii is not a different country. Is that too hard for you to understand? Once again, you completely miss the point. Why, precisely, do I have the right to move to Hawaii but someone with non-US ancestry doesn't? That's the question you have consistently failed to answer. Is that too hard for you to understand? Racist against Russians, you pPiece of garbage? What the HELLL is that supposed to mean? It means you think that Russians need special dispensation to get rights that are automatic for other races. I used a random white country. So what? I already explained that "race" covers ancestry, not just pigmentation. In some cases, it may even cover culture. It doesn't matter WHERE they come from. there is a process to become a member of this country, as it is with any country. That could be filled in with ANY country. OK, so fill it in with "United States." WHy is it "racist" to agree with the law of the United states as set forth? A few generations ago, the law of the United States declared black people to be property. One generation ago, perhaps even within your lifetime, the law of the United States declared black people to be inherently inferior. Are you seriously trying to claim that United States law is non-racist by definition? If the law says that your right to live and work depends on your race, then the law is racist. But you aren't arguing racism is wrong. You are calling anyone against illegal immigration a "racist". "Illegal immigration" is a right-wing euphemism that basically means "immigrants who don't get the special dispensation required for members of their race." So I am calling anyone who is against members of the "wrong" race immigrating without special dispensation to be a racist. I don't see how that's controversial. Good for you as I roll my eyes when you feel the need of bringing race into any argument. You're the one who brought race into the argument, dumbass. The entire argument is about whether your right to live and work in a particular town should be contingent on your ancestry, and last time I checked, I'm the one claiming it shouldn't. You only see the world in terms of color and it's pathetic. Didn't I just spend the last several posts explaining to you that there's more to race than colour? You consistently ignored me, either because you just aren't bright enough to pick it up, because you refuse to believe anything that would prove you're racist, or because you reflexively ignore anything said by someone who believes in racial equality. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Apr 14 15:57:33 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 14:53:04 2014. admit what? explain |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 15:59:04 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 15:02:32 2014. Uh oh. Another post consisting of nothing but playground insults, without any acknowledgement of what I said.I still have the CAPTCHA if you still need it. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 16:00:03 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 15:06:55 2014. Nilet calls anyone who doesn't agree with him a racist.Citation needed. Link to the post where I called someone a racist who wasn't saying racist things. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 16:03:02 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Apr 14 15:31:51 2014. So are you being deliberately thick, genuinely thick, or is this a decidedly inexpert attempt at being funny?Let's start here: Do you think that anti-Semitism is a form of racism? |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 16:03:59 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Apr 14 15:03:56 2014. I have yet to see any evidence of it.If Salaam has expressed any racism, you're welcome to link to the post in question. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 14 16:16:28 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 14:47:43 2014. Chicagomotorman actually is a racist. Even though Nilet calls almost everyone a racist at the slightest provocation; a stopped clock is right twice a day. |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 14 16:17:49 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 14 15:05:48 2014. Thanks!Being this deep down the rabbit hole, it's nice when someone else peeks in and notices that cats do not, in fact, smile and certainly never vanish without taking said smile with them. |
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