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Re: Meanwhile, in Realitystan: ACA (more Medicaid?) to put pressure on ERs, *increase costs*

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jan 2 20:22:33 2014, in response to Meanwhile, in Realitystan: ACA (more Medicaid?) to put pressure on ERs, *increase costs*, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jan 2 15:46:31 2014.

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good.

That was the point.

No surprise that you liked it better when people stayed home untreated and died like in Third World countries.

So Christian of you.

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Re: Olog Is a Bench

Posted by bingbong on Thu Jan 2 21:51:59 2014, in response to Re: Olog Is a Bench, posted by RockParkMan on Thu Jan 2 20:13:06 2014.

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I don't know if I wanna sit there...do you know where it's been?



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Want to use Cedars-Sinai? Under ACA, it's only for the rich, and you didn't wanna go anyway

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 10 12:42:55 2014, in response to Universal Health Care is HERE in these USA! Apply Now. www.healthcare.gov, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 1 13:19:06 2013.

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Elitist TNR

If You Can't Go to Cedars-Sinai Anymore, Is It Obamacare's Fault?

Consumer choices, cachet, and health care reform

By Jonathan Cohn
January 6, 2014
At Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, originals by Picasso and Warhol hang in the hallways. The deluxe maternity rooms—three-bedroom, two-bath suites with views of the city—rent out at nearly $4,000 a day. It’s the place where Madonna got hernia surgery and Jodie Foster had her baby. The Hollywood Reporter once called it “the medical world’s most glam facility.”

But a group of Angelenos is about to lose access to Cedars, because, starting January 1, their insurance companies will no longer cover treatment at the hospital. Infuriated, some of these people insist that Obamacare is to blame. And the truth is: They’re not exactly wrong.

California is one of the states aggressively implementing the Affordable Care Act (ACA), setting up its own marketplace, “Covered California,” through which insurers will sell coverage to people who buy insurance on their own. The new plans generally provide more comprehensive benefits than the ones insurers sold before. And they are available to everybody, even people with preexisting medical conditions. But those upgrades cost money. To keep prices down, insurers are sending patients only to the doctors, clinics, and hospitals that have agreed to accept lower reimbursements.

Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield of California, two of the state’s largest insurers, wanted bigger discounts than Cedars was willing to give, however. As a result, patients who want fully covered access to Cedars have only one option left: a health maintenance organization, called Health Net, with a relatively small network of doctors. “It is a MAJOR part of the drama surrounding the ACA,” Alison Gordon, an insurance broker, told me via e-mail. “People are panicked. Scared. ANGRY!!!”

This anger came into national focus in November, when the Los Angeles psychotherapist and writer Lori Gottlieb penned an op-ed in The New York Times, decrying Anthem for eliminating coverage of her and her son’s existing doctors and hospital. Although Gottlieb did not mention it by name, she was talking about Cedars. The hospital symbolizes the anxiety that is being felt around the country as similar market-driven changes in coverage occur. MD Anderson, the prestigious cancer center in Houston, is not covered by the majority of plans on the exchange in Texas. Seattle Children’s Hospital is on just two of seven in Washington’s exchange.

Critics of the ACA say we should have anticipated these sorts of problems. “Cancer patients often need the help of specialized doctors and cancer institutions that won’t make it into many of these cheapened networks,” wrote Scott Gottlieb (no relation to Lori), a physician and former Bush administration official, in Forbes. Even some liberals who support the idea of health care reform now wonder what they’ve sacrificed in the name of the public good. In her Times op-ed, titled “DARING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT OBAMACARE,” Gottlieb wrote, “Embracing the noble cause is all very well—as long as yours isn’t the ‘fortunate’ family that loses its access to comprehensive, affordable health care while the rest of the nation gets it.”

The assumption that giving up access to hospitals like Cedars means giving up quality care is a powerful one. And it taps into deeply held anxieties about class and status. But while we might think we know what’s good for us medically, the relationship between hospital prestige and hospital quality is a lot weaker than it may seem. Health insurance is changing for some Americans because of Obamacare, but the changes are not the catastrophe many of them think.

The Cedars Medical Complex sprawls across several city blocks in West Hollywood—around the corner, literally, from Chanel Boutique, The Ivy restaurant, and other celebrity haunts along Robertson Boulevard. This is where the stars shop and schmooze but not where they live. (Beverly Hills is a mile to the west and the Hollywood Hills just a few miles east.) The actual neighborhood around Cedars, like much of West L.A., is full of middle-class workers and upper-middle-class professionals who can only aspire to the lifestyles of the rich and famous around them.

Access to Cedars was a rare opportunity to realize that aspiration: Maybe they couldn’t lunch with Spielberg, but, when they got sick, they got the same top-shelf medical care that the movie stars did. Now some of these Angelenos with good health care feel they are being forced to give it up. This seems like confirmation of everything that middle-class Americans feared about Obamacare all along—that, in the name of making coverage more available, primarily to the poor, the middle class will be denied access to the same quality of care that the wealthy have.

But when it comes to Cedars, at least, it’s not clear how much these people are really giving up. According to hospital ratings calculated by Leapfrog, a project started by employers who were eager to reduce the incidence of expensive medical errors, Cedars gets a “B” on hospital safety. That’s not bad, but it’s not stellar, either. Three other area hospitals, St. Vincent’s and two from the Kaiser Permanente network, got “A”s. Both charge far less money for services—and both, by the way, are easily available to people buying insurance through Covered California. (Kaiser plans are available through the state insurance exchange, while St. Vincent’s is on Blue Shield’s network.)

Ratings from HealthGrades, a Denver-based company that uses government data and other information to judge hospitals around the country, offer a similarly mixed picture. Cedars is “better than average” at preventing death following a serious complication from surgery, for example, but “worse than average” at letting patients get bed sores and bloodstream infections from catheters. Cedars’s performance was strong enough that HealthGrades recognized it for “clinical excellence,” suggesting the hospital is among the top 5 percent nationally. But at least three other local hospitals did better than that. All of them made HealthGrades’s list of the 100 best hospitals in the country. “Reputation doesn’t necessarily mean quality,” says Glenn Melnick, a health economist at the University of Southern California (USC).

As Melnick also points out, these statistics are both crude and incomplete. The truth is that hospital quality varies a lot, depending on the severity and type of case. But that’s precisely the point. Nobody would question that Cedars is a strong hospital overall and that it produces some truly excellent results. According to official government data, the readmission rate for heart failure and pneumonia patients is well below both the national average and the rates at other area teaching hospitals. But that doesn’t mean Cedars is the place to go when you have a routine broken arm. A lowly community hospital might be just as good or better—and it will cost a lot less. Paul Ginsburg, president of the Center for Health Systems Change in Washington, has studied the Southern California hospital market extensively. “It’s really important that there be a way to get the very specialized care you need,” he told me, “but most people who go to Cedars-Sinai are not going there for the things that only Cedars-Sinai can do. It’s legitimate to steer them away unless they want to pay a lot more.”

Executives at Cedars agree that their institution’s comparative strength is handling the most complex and difficult cases. And that’s precisely why more insurers should include Cedars, the executives say. “We’re very concerned,” Thomas Priselac, president and chief executive officer at Cedars, told Financial Times. “[Insurers] know patients that are sick come to places like ours. What this is trying to do is redirect those patients elsewhere, but there is a reason why they come here. These patients need what it is that we are capable of providing.” Offering that level of service, Cedars executives argue, inevitably requires more intensive care and, as a result, much higher costs.

Still, Cedars isn’t just more expensive than the community hospitals that deal primarily with more routine cases. Based on available information, it appears to be more expensive than other hospitals that handle transplants and complex procedures with good outcomes, such as St. Vincent’s or teaching hospitals like UCLA and USC. The official “sticker price” for services at Cedars is among the highest in the entire country, according to federal data. Those prices don’t correspond to what insurers pay: Cedars, like all hospitals, negotiates discounts with each insurer. But many experts agree that Cedars ends up commanding unusually high fees because its reputation gives it more bargaining power. (They note, too, that Cedars has been running unusually high operating margins.) As long as some of these other teaching hospitals remain available to Anthem and Blue Shield subscribers, says Gerald Kominski, director of the Center for Health Policy Research at UCLA, “the fact that Cedars is not in these networks—I don’t see that as a serious problem per se.”

In fact, there is even evidence—contradicting the consumer maxim that you get what you pay for—that some people getting more expensive care are actually worse off. This fall, Modern Healthcare magazine analyzed cardiac catheterization records from a dozen cities. In seven of them, the hospitals with lower average costs had better outcomes. As Gregg Fonarow, a cardiologist at UCLA Medical Center, told the magazine, “Just because your insurance company paid a whole lot for your hospitalization doesn’t mean it was good quality to you.”

One valid criticism about the new health care law is that President Obama wasn’t forthright about the trade-offs. And one trade-off he failed to highlight was that, in order to keep premiums low, insurers in the exchanges might limit choice of doctor and hospital. But the law’s critics act as if this basic calculus didn’t exist before. It always did. Insurance plans that paid for more access cost more; insurance plans that restricted choices more aggressively cost less. Obamacare makes these choices more explicit because more people are suddenly able to buy coverage on their own.

The overall benefit to consumers is tremendous. Those low premiums, combined with Obamacare’s subsidies, mean many people who never had insurance can finally get it: According to projections, between 800,000 and 1.2 million people who had no insurance previously will be getting it through Covered California by 2019. And even many who did have insurance are happy for the savings. “You’ve got people that are genuinely seeing this pricing and breathing a sigh of relief for the first time in years,” says David Bryant, a broker with Brystra insurance services in Los Angeles. “I’ve got a client who was paying seven hundred dollars a month and now we got him down to one hundred twenty dollars a month with subsidies—that’s for a husband and spouse. That difference, at their incomes, will be a substantial change in their quality of life.”

That still leaves the people, like Lori Gottlieb, whose plans will no longer cover Cedars. There were always going to be winners and losers in any health care reform, and these Americans, who remember Obama’s promise that they’d be able to keep their doctors, are the losers. But for those who have severe medical problems that require specialized doctors or treatments, the Affordable Care Act does require that insurers have “adequate” networks and consider appeals for out-of-network care. This could mean going to Cedars, if it’s truly the only hospital that offers a particular kind of care.

It’s also not fair to pin these changes all on the ACA. Even before Obamacare, employers and insurers were already moving in the direction of limiting networks and penalizing costly hospitals like Cedars. Kominski notes that his employer, the University of California system, aggressively restricted its provider network two years ago. The change affected thousands of employees—and was one of many such decisions employers made around the country. But it didn’t generate a national controversy. The city of Los Angeles just took Cedars off the network for one large plan in order to keep premiums for city employees low. And while it’s possible Obamacare accelerated a trend toward limited networks for direct consumers, it’s also possible that insurers would have made that switch anyway—and that they’re introducing these changes now, in one big wave, because Obamacare gives them a convenient excuse.

This market-driven approach could, in an ideal world, create a virtuous cycle that makes health care both cheaper and better. In response to price pressure, hospitals would actually find ways to be more efficient; in response to demands for better care, insurers would learn to construct networks that depend on quality and not just price. But it’s easy to imagine a different scenario, one that nobody would celebrate. A hospital like Cedars could hold out for high prices indefinitely, figuring its reputation will always bring it enough business. An insurer like Anthem could keep shriveling its network, figuring that the people most likely to reject such plans are the chronically ill patients who are expensive to insure anyway. And there will inevitably be a few people, like Gottlieb, who lose the access they value.

The only way to avoid these problems altogether is to have government do the job instead. In other words, you need a single-payer system in which all hospitals accept everyone’s insurance. But that conversation never got past the phrase “government-run medicine,” and Americans, perhaps unwittingly, chose to place their faith in market forces. The insurers have adapted and so have the hospitals. Now it’s the consumers’ turn, and that means relinquishing the idea that cachet always equals quality. For many people, the hospital of the stars may seem like just another piece of the Beverly Hills lifestyle tantalizingly out of reach. But like so many other things in Hollywood, the true value of care at Cedars-Sinai might involve a little make-believe, too.


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Re: Want to use Cedars-Sinai? Under ACA, it's only for the rich, and you didn't wanna go anyway

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 10 15:57:55 2014, in response to Want to use Cedars-Sinai? Under ACA, it's only for the rich, and you didn't wanna go anyway, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 10 12:42:55 2014.

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Hospital won't cut their prices for group discount and it's Obama's fault? OK ...

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Re: Want to use Cedars-Sinai? Under ACA, it's only for the rich, and you didn't wanna go anyway

Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 10 23:33:34 2014, in response to Want to use Cedars-Sinai? Under ACA, it's only for the rich, and you didn't wanna go anyway, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 10 12:42:55 2014.

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"And one trade-off he failed to highlight was that, in order to keep premiums low, insurers in the exchanges might limit choice of doctor and hospital. But the law’s critics act as if this basic calculus didn’t exist before. It always did. Insurance plans that paid for more access cost more; insurance plans that restricted choices more aggressively cost less. Obamacare makes these choices more explicit because more people are suddenly able to buy coverage on their own.

The overall benefit to consumers is tremendous. Those low premiums, combined with Obamacare’s subsidies, mean many people who never had insurance can finally get it: According to projections, between 800,000 and 1.2 million people who had no insurance previously will be getting it through Covered California by 2019. And even many who did have insurance are happy for the savings. “You’ve got people that are genuinely seeing this pricing and breathing a sigh of relief for the first time in years,” says David Bryant, a broker with Brystra insurance services in Los Angeles. “I’ve got a client who was paying seven hundred dollars a month and now we got him down to one hundred twenty dollars a month with subsidies—that’s for a husband and spouse. That difference, at their incomes, will be a substantial change in their quality of life.”


Excellent result. Thanks for posting.

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Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon) not working three months after launch date

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 13 21:41:01 2014, in response to Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon) struggles; no enrollees, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 18 04:59:04 2013.

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AP via CBS DC

Oregon’s Obamacare Online Enrollment System Still Doesn’t Work More Than 3 Months After It Was Supposed To Launch

January 11, 2014 5:35 PM
Gov. John Kitzhaber said Thursday the state has hired a firm to conduct an independent review of what went wrong with Oregon’s troubled health insurance exchange.

Several states and the federal government have struggled with exchange technology, but none as much as Oregon. Cover Oregon’s online enrollment system still doesn’t work more than three months after it was supposed to launch, and the state has hired or reassigned hundreds of workers to manually process applications. Officials say they hope the online system will be operational by March.

The state will pay First Data Government Solutions LP $228,000 to conduct the review, which is expected to begin later this month and take about six weeks.

The review seeks to determine when officials began to realize the website wouldn’t launch on time; why the state chose to use Oracle Corp. products and consulting services; how the project’s scope was determined; and who was responsible for making decisions about the project.

Speaking at a news conference in Portland, Kitzhaber highlighted positive news: Oregon enrolled 170,000 people in health care coverage. While some had previous coverage, it’s enough to make a big dent in the uninsured population.

But only a third of the 170,000 enrollees applied through Cover Oregon — including 20,000 people who enrolled in private coverage and more than 30,000 in the Oregon Health Plan, the state’s version of Medicaid. The rest were enrolled in OHP using a process that bypassed the exchange.

The number of people enrolled in private coverage is far below the state’s original goals, although lower-than-expected enrollment isn’t limited to Oregon. The state is one of 14 states that are running their own insurance marketplaces.

“I’m very pleased with the progress that we’re making,” Kitzhaber said. “There are clearly bumps out there and problems out there, but we’re getting more successes and fewer problems every day, and we’re going to continue leaning into this to make sure that we’re successful.”

Still, Kitzhaber said he’s unsure when Cover Oregon’s automated enrollment system will work end to end. For now, parts of the online system are available to Cover Oregon workers and insurance agents, but Oregonians still cannot create an account and complete the entire enrollment process through the portal.

Work on the website is ongoing, Cover Oregon officials said at a board meeting later Thursday, and the state also is bringing in two experts to review the coding of the exchange.

Bruce Goldberg, Cover Oregon’s acting director, said programmers have reduced the number of critical issues that need to be resolved to fewer than 30, from 45 critical problems in December. The governor and some state officials have laid much of the blame on Oracle Corp., which was hired to build the exchange’s technology.

Goldberg said the state is looking at backup options, such as buying additional software, using technology that’s functioning in other states or the federal government, or even switching to direct-to-carrier enrollment. He said the state has hired Deloitte to review the options, but decisions won’t be made until after March.

“We need to look at alternatives into the future should we not be able to have a website that’s operational over the next couple of months,” Goldberg said.

Oregon was one of four states that received huge payouts from the federal government to be an “early innovator,” building a model that other states would emulate.

About 30,000 people received eligibility determinations but have not selected an insurance plan to finish the enrollment process, Goldberg said. He attributed the high number to state insurers extending plans that previously were slated to be canceled.

Open enrollment continues through March for private health plans. Consumers have until March 31 to sign up in time to avoid a federal tax penalty for remaining uninsured.

The deadline to select a plan for coverage beginning in February is Jan. 18.


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Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon) not working three months after launch date

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 13 21:56:38 2014, in response to Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon) not working three months after launch date, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 13 21:41:01 2014.

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Oracle ... lol! Well THERE'S yer problem ... same folks who own "Java" with all of its well known screwups and security problems. Since the site still ain't up, at least they're not having the security problems part of the contract yet. :)

Real database systems that are scalable and secure run on PostgreSQL instead of the name brand soap on proper unix servers.

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Still too easy to hack (Concerns raised about security of www.healthcare.gov website)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 19 15:29:24 2014, in response to Concerns raised about security of www.healthcare.gov website, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 30 16:22:09 2013.

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saloon

Experts: Healthcare.gov still dangerously easy to hack

One such vulnerability exposes users' personal information, including full names and email addresses

TIM SAMPSON, THE DAILY DOT
SUNDAY, JAN 19, 2014 01:00 PM EST
Despite highly touted improvements to Healthcare.gov’s functionality, the site many Americans are using to sign up health coverage under the Affordable Care Act still has crucial cybersecurity weaknesses, experts testified on Capitol Hill Thursday.

Witnesses said that nothing has changed since security failings were first brought to light shortly after the website’s glitch-plagued launch back in October.

“Healthcare.gov is not secure today,” said David Kennedy, head of the computer security firm TrustedSec LLC, one of a several security experts to testify before the House Science, Space and Technology Committee on Thursday.

According to statements made by Kennedy to Reuters, more than 20 security flaws, vulnerable to infiltration by hackers, have not been fixed. This despite the fact that a similar assessment was delivered at a hearing of the same committee two months ago. At that time, three out of four expert witnesses, including Kennedy, advised completely shutting down the federal health insurance exchange to address weak links in the site’s security.

Kennedy repeated his message Thursday, saying there is no doubt that security problems exist. The focus of government officials, he said, should be on how to fix them. Before the hearing, he told reporters that the site was susceptible to attacks that would allow hackers to steal personal information, modify data, or attack users’ personal computers. They could also break into and disrupt the infrastructure of Healthcare.gov itself.

But Democratic representatives disagreed with Kennedy’s assessment and accused GOP committee leaders of stacking the deck when it came to selecting witnesses. Rep. Eddie Johnson (D-Texas.), the committee’s ranking Democrat, said Republicans are using the committee’s investigative powers to keep the public’s attention on Healthcare.gov’s technical flaws as a way of undermining the Affordable Care Act.

“The majority has allowed the committee to become a tool of political messaging,” Johnson said.

But Kennedy denied that politics played a role in his testimony. Other independent experts who have reviewed his research agree with Kennedy’s conclusions about the vulnerable state of the exchange.

“The site is fundamentally flawed in ways that make it dangerous to people who use it,” Kevin Johnson, one of the experts who reviewed Kennedy’s findings, told Reuters.

One of the more significant vulnerabilities uncovered by Kennedy and first reported to the federal government in October, exposes users’ information, including full names and email addresses. A short computer program Kennedy claims to have written in five minutes was able to automatically collect some 70,000 records in roughly four minutes. Kennedy didn’t even have to hack the site to obtain this data. The information was available via the Internet.

Other witnesses who appeared before the committee tried to downplay the threat. Waylon Krush, the CEO of a firm that has done security work for the Department of Health and Human Services, said most hackers would choose to focus on more lucrative targets like the recently hacked Target and Neiman Marcus. Kennedy and others refuted this claim, saying plenty of valuable information is still available through government websites.

Healthcare.gov is the centerpiece of President Barack Obama‘s biggest legislative triumph to-date, the Affordable Care Act. The site is a federally administered marketplace for citizens in 36 states to buy private insurance plans. But since debuting in October, it has been plagued with technical errors. In addition to security concerns, many users faced crashes and timeouts when they first tried to access the site.

The user experience was drastically improved by December, leading to an enrollment surge that saw up to 2.1 million citizens purchase health insurance through the site. However, that number remains far below initial administration projections. There are also ongoing reports of backend errors resulting in insurers not receiving accurate information about their new clients.

The Obama administration recently announced that the primary contractor behind Healthcare.gov would be dismissed from the project. The firm, CGI Federal, is also facing backlash from several states who say the company has bungled their own state-run health insurance exchanges. The Department of Health and Human Services recently hired veteran Microsoft Executive Ken DelBene to oversee continued repairs to the site.


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Re: Still too easy to hack (Concerns raised about security of www.healthcare.gov website)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 19 15:40:59 2014, in response to Still too easy to hack (Concerns raised about security of www.healthcare.gov website), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 19 15:29:24 2014.

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United Healthcare + Verizon, doing their security dance ... what could possibly go wrong? They're experts! :)



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Maryland health exchange causes wrong people to be put into Medicaid

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 20 00:03:23 2014, in response to Universal Health Care is HERE in these USA! Apply Now. www.healthcare.gov, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 1 13:19:06 2013.

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Or something.

Washington Post

Maryland welcomes wrong people to Medicaid

By Jenna Johnson
Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:00 PM
As many as 383 Medicaid enrollees in Maryland received welcome packets in the mail this month that contained the names and birth dates of strangers, health officials announced Sunday evening. They blamed the mix-up on a “programming error” caused by the chief IT contractor hired to build a health-insurance marketplace for the state.

Officials at the Maryland Department of Health and Mental Hygiene said they learned of the problem Friday after a customer contacted a Medicaid enrollment broker and reported receiving the wrong packet in the mail.

The enrollment packets are automatically assembled by pulling names, addresses and other information from a database of Medicaid enrollees, said Dori Henry, a spokeswoman for the Maryland health exchange. Often the problematic packets had the correct name of the policyholder, but the incorrect names of dependents.

The packets contained names, dates of birth and Medicaid ID numbers, officials said, but not Social Security numbers, financial information or medical information. An initial investigation found that the error affected up to 383 households with 1,078 individuals.

More than 120,000 Marylanders have newly enrolled in Medicaid for this year, many more than the state had projected. About 93,500 of those people were automatically enrolled when Medicaid was expanded in Maryland and the rest went through the exchange.

Despite the incorrect packets, officials said those affected have active Medicaid coverage and can access services.

State health officials blamed the packet problem — which they say has been fixed — on Noridian Healthcare Solutions, a North Dakota-based IT contractor that Maryland hired to build its health exchange. An attorney for the company did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

This is the latest in a series of problems with the state’s dysfunctional health exchange , which crashed Oct. 1 on its first day of operation and has been plagued with problems ever since. Thousands of Marylanders in search of health insurance through the new program have been stymied by frozen accounts, incorrect information and error messages. Some people who encountered problems with the site were even instructed to call a toll-free phone number that connected to a pottery supply shop in Seattle, the Baltimore Sun reported this weekend.

The packet mix-up raised questions about the security of information given to the health exchange — an issue that has worried some Maryland lawmakers.

“That’s a big concern of mine,” Del. Susan W. Krebs (R-Carroll) said last week during a briefing on the exchange. “Do we really feel confident that we have security measures in place for all of people’s information on all of these exchanges?”

Joshua Sharfstein, Maryland’s secretary of health and mental hygiene, said there are a “variety of security protocols and tools” on the site that are used to protect sensitive information, including Department of Defense-level encryption. He also pointed out that because customers are no longer required to disclose pre-existing conditions, there is only limited sensitive information in the system.

Upon hearing of the problem Friday, health officials said they stopped mailing out enrollment packages and instructed call-center employees on how to help residents who received the wrong information. The department plans to directly notify those affected and send them a correct enrollment packet this week.

Aaron Davis contributed to this report.


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Re: Maryland health exchange causes wrong people to be put into Medicaid

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jan 20 00:49:41 2014, in response to Maryland health exchange causes wrong people to be put into Medicaid, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 20 00:03:23 2014.

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North Dakota ... home of the low bid IT department. LOL.

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Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 13:44:42 2014, in response to Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon) not working three months after launch date, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 13 21:41:01 2014.

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KATU, ABC 2, Portland OR

Colossal cost of Cover Oregon prompts lawmaker to call for end to spending

By Chelsa Kopta, On Your Side Investigator | Published: Jan 20, 2014 at 4:11 PM PST | Last Updated: Jan 21, 2014 at 2:11 AM PST
The On Your Side Investigators revealed the colossal cost of Cover Oregon for the first time Monday and it shows how much of your tax money has been spent on the failed website.

KATU learned Cover Oregon and the Oregon Health Authority collectively spent just shy of $200 million on its Cover Oregon website, which has been plagued with problems for months and still hasn't enrolled a single Oregonian for health insurance since the site launched Oct. 1, 2013.

The state health insurance exchange's top dogs have been back and forth for months, extending the date when the website likely could be fixed. As of last week, Cover Oregon's interim director, Bruce Goldberg, said there's no specific deadline for when the website will be fully operational.

Lawmakers, like Rep. Jason Conger, R-Bend, are growing impatient.

Conger sits on the House Interim Committee on Health Care and last week grilled Goldberg about Cover Oregon - a project he referred to as a "train wreck." In the hearing, Conger also asked Goldberg for a breakdown of taxpayer dollars spent on Cover Oregon to date.

Once Goldberg collected the numbers for Conger, he sent them to him in an email. Conger then shared Cover Oregon's whopping $200 million price tag exclusively with the On Your Side Investigators Monday.

"It's an enormous amount of money expended over a couple of years to build a website that doesn't work," Conger told KATU in a Skype interview Monday. "It doesn't make sense to throw good money after bad and just waste that money on something that us ultimately, maybe doomed to fail."

According to Goldberg, Cover Oregon and the Oregon Health Authority (OHA) — the state agency which helped develop the IT system — collectively received $305,206,587 of federal grant money for the health insurance exchange. Those grants were to last Cover Oregon from Sept. 30, 2010 through Dec. 31, 2014.

So far, Cover Oregon and OHA have spent two thirds of that money on the exchange, which amounts to $199,199,688.

That leaves $106,006,899 for the remainder of 2014 to fix a broken website and enroll thousands more Oregonians.

"We've already burned through $200 million" Conger told KATU. "We've got just over $100 million left. Do we spend that money to continue to try to fix a website that so far has been a lot of promises and no results, or do we send that money back and start looking at alternatives to people who might need health insurance?"

Last week, Conger announced to KATU that he has plans for another alternative. He crafted a letter to Gov. John Kitzhaber, urging him to scrap Cover Oregon in favor of a new plan where Oregonians would enroll directly through insurance companies. He said, his plan would call on insurance companies to check for subsidies at the federal level.

In the letter, which he emailed to Kitzhaber, Conger wrote, "I have no confidence that many of the same individuals, agencies and companies that presided over this ongoing disaster are in a position to salvage the state website. Indeed, I don't believe they should be afforded yet another chance to fail — I have simply lost faith in this whole project."

The governor has not responded yet.

The On Your Side Investigators contacted Cover Oregon for comment. Spokesman Michael Cox responded with an email statement saying, "Cover Oregon is fully funded by federal grants through the end of 2014, at which time we must be self sufficient. We will prudently use these funds to achieve our mission of enrolling Oregonians in affordable health coverage and complete the IT build."

Cox did not answer follow-up questions or elaborate.

Oregonians have until the end of March to get signed up for health insurance this year.

It's important to note, Conger is running for a U.S. Senate seat now held by Democrat Jeff Merkley.


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Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jan 21 15:33:42 2014, in response to Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 13:44:42 2014.

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Well, the internet is a whole new thing. Aren't most websites non-functional, even after them costing 200million bucks?

I mean, look at all the sites, banks, american idol, don't they all cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and fail to work on simple things? Even after taking several years to work on.

The people in Oregon are so smitten with this failure btw, it's so helpful.

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Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 15:41:48 2014, in response to Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jan 21 15:33:42 2014.

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They were about to dump another $100 million into it, as well.

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Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jan 21 15:44:03 2014, in response to Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 15:41:48 2014.

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$100,000,000? Isn't that how much it used to cost to add an email icon on a geocities page?
They should up it to half a million, and add a motor vehicle fee to pay for it.

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Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees

Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 21 15:51:13 2014, in response to Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 13:44:42 2014.

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Why haven't you posted anything about the KY exchange?

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Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 21 15:56:22 2014, in response to Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 21 15:51:13 2014.

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All lubed up and nowhere to go. :)

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Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees

Posted by SubwaySurf on Tue Jan 21 17:03:52 2014, in response to Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 21 15:51:13 2014.

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Very Funnay.

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Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees

Posted by SubwaySurf on Tue Jan 21 17:06:12 2014, in response to Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 21 15:56:22 2014.

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A dilemma to sure. 8-)


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Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees

Posted by SubwaySurf on Tue Jan 21 17:11:28 2014, in response to Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jan 21 15:44:03 2014.

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Meds running low again, I see

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Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 18:19:58 2014, in response to Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees, posted by SubwaySurf on Tue Jan 21 17:11:28 2014.

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Then go get a refill, subwaytard.

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Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 18:21:54 2014, in response to Re: Oregon's healthcare exchange (Cover Oregon): $200 million spent, zero enrollees, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 21 15:51:13 2014.

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What for? It's just run of the mill Medicaid expansion along with Rand Paul versus Mitch McConnell.

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Latinos not signing up for ACA for fear of getting family members deported

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 23:30:11 2014, in response to Universal Health Care is HERE in these USA! Apply Now. www.healthcare.gov, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 1 13:19:06 2013.

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CSM

Obamacare and Latinos: why a crucial constituency is wary of signing up

Many Latinos eligible for Obamacare aren't signing up because of fear that some family members, not in the country legally, may be deported.

By Lourdes Medrano, Correspondent / January 21, 2014
Website glitches aside, President Obama's new health-care law also is causing consternation among many Latinos over the possibility that signing up for the Affordable Care Act could get family members deported.

"It's a very real barrier," say Daniel Zingale, vice president of the California Endowment, a Los Angeles nonprofit that promotes the law among Latinos.

"Families are worried about being deported and divided by having any official interaction with the government."

The fear that's keeping many of the 10.2 million Latinos eligible for the Affordable Care Act, often called Obamacare, from buying the mandated insurance is common among families of mixed legal status, health-care advocates say.

"Our community is about family, so protecting the family comes first," says Jane Delgado, executive director of the National Alliance for Hispanic Health in Washington.

"This is very personal information that they're being asked to share," she adds.

About 9 million people live in families that include members who are in the US legally as well as some who are here illegally, according to the Pew Research Center. Under the new law, only people in the country legally qualify for help with health-care insurance.

Despite a public statement released by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) that health-care information would remain confidential, many Latinos remain skeptical that an agency that has deported record numbers of people in the past few years will keep its promise.

The Obama administration deported 368,644 people last year. While that level marks a 10 percent drop from 2012, the decrease was the first reported since the president took office in 2009.

"There's a great deal of skepticism and a lack of trust, and it's understandable given the large number of families who have been divided and deported," says Mr. Zingale of the California Endowment.

To succeed, the law must attract many more Latinos, who as a group are younger than the overall US population, to enroll in private health-care plans. The federal government offers subsidies to qualified enrollees.

Through December, 2.2 million people enrolled in health-care insurance through online exchanges, or marketplaces, launched in October, according to the US Department of Health and Human Services. The number includes no breakdown by ethnicity.

In California, which has the nation's largest number of Latinos, Mr. Zingale says an all-out effort is underway to get Latinos to sign up for health-care insurance. This includes a Spanish-language billboard campaign and media initiatives similar to those publicizing the law in other states.

"Latinos comprise roughly half of all Californians who are eligible for Obamacare, so if we fail among Latinos we will fail in implementing the new law," he adds.

Thirty-eight percent of California's 38 million residents are Latino, and many of them prefer to speak Spanish.

"There are a lot of challenges in enrolling large numbers of people in California, especially when there are cultural and language barriers," Zingale adds."We have a poor track record here of enrollment in public programs … so we're trying to break our losing streak with Obamacare, and there are signs that we're moving in the right direction."

In states that chose to let the federal government run the health-care exchange, such as Arizona, health-care advocates also are reaching out to Latinos who may be reluctant to sign up for health insurance, some for the first time.

Thirty-five percent of all Latino adults in the state are uninsured, compared with 10 percent of non-Hispanic whites, says Kim VanPelt, director of state health policy and advocacy with Cover Arizona, a coalition of organizations providing health-care resources and assurances.

"Clearly, it's incredibly important to be effective in terms of reaching out to the Latino population," she says.

In Minnesota, health-care advocates have enlisted help from established community leaders and businesses in Latino areas to get the word out about the law, as well as to emphasize that enrolling won't get family members expelled from the country.

"There's still a lot of concern in mixed families," says Carla Kohler, community health worker services manager at CLUES, a health-care provider in the Twin Cities.

"There are a large number of children who are uninsured within the state of Minnesota, and it could partly be because of that fear," she adds.

To ease people's angst, health-care advocates are now telling families that ICE has drawn a line between enrollment and immigration enforcement.

But health-care activists say that, in addition, public assurances from Obama would go a long way toward quelling anxiety about deportation.

"I don't think it's asking too much for the president himself to offer legal Americans eligible for Obamacare the reassurance that they can enroll in this program without having their loved ones deported," says Zingale.


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Re: Latinos not signing up for ACA for fear of getting family members deported

Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jan 22 12:12:28 2014, in response to Latinos not signing up for ACA for fear of getting family members deported, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 21 23:30:11 2014.

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So the ACA is a stronger deportation tool than the IRS, how humerous.

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Health insurers downgraded by Moody's; ACA "uncertainty" over regulations cited

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 24 00:40:33 2014, in response to Universal Health Care is HERE in these USA! Apply Now. www.healthcare.gov, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 1 13:19:06 2013.

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The Hill

Insurers downgraded on ObamaCare fears

By Jonathan Easley
January 23, 2014, 10:24 am
Moody’s announced Thursday it was downgrading its outlook for health insurers from stable to negative based on uncertainty related to ObamaCare.

The credit rating agency cited an unstable environment because of the healthcare law’s difficult rollout, and projected that insurers would earn 2 percent less than forecast in 2014.

“While we’ve had industry risks from regulatory changes on our radar for a while, the ongoing unstable and evolving environment is a key factor for our outlook change,” Moody’s Senior Vice President Stephen Zaharuk said in a statement. “The past few months have seen new regulations and announcements that impose operational changes well after product and pricing decisions were finalized.”

The Moody’s report also cites the slow enrollment of young people into ObamaCare as a reason for the downgrade.

“Uncertainty over the demographics of those enrolling in individual products through the exchanges is a key factor in Moody’s outlook change,” the ratings agency said.

Citing statistics released by the administration, it noted that so far about 24 percent of enrollees are between the ages of 18 and 34, while a target of 40 percent may be necessary to keep premiums from rising in the future.

It said the 24 percent of young people enrolled so far is “well short” of the 40 percent target.

Moody’s also said it was worried that insurers’ premium calculations might not be enough to cover the industry assessment tax that begins in 2014.

“These changing dynamics will have an uneven effect on insurers, as the impact of these factors will vary by market segment and geography,” it said. “Moody’s view continues to be that the larger and more diversified insurers will be better positioned, both financially and strategically, to meet the challenges facing the sector.”

The Obama administration has implemented a string of unilateral changes and delays to the healthcare law that has drawn complaints from insurers.

The administration is allowing insurers to continue offering bare-bones plans to those who had them previously in an attempt to quell the bipartisan outcry over the president’s broken promise that if you like your plan you can keep it.

The White House has also delayed the premium payments deadline, delayed by one week the sign-up date for coverage beginning Jan. 1, pushed back by six weeks the sign-up date for those seeking coverage by April 1, delayed the second-year enrollment period until after the 2014 elections and extended the enrollment deadline for people with pre-existing conditions.


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Re: Health insurers downgraded by Moody's; ACA ''uncertainty'' over regulations cited

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 24 00:59:27 2014, in response to Health insurers downgraded by Moody's; ACA "uncertainty" over regulations cited, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 24 00:40:33 2014.

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That's what they call themselves "Moody" ... only thing they like is China, komrade. :)

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Re: Health insurers downgraded by Moody's; ACA ''uncertainty'' over regulations cited

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 24 13:09:46 2014, in response to Health insurers downgraded by Moody's; ACA "uncertainty" over regulations cited, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 24 00:40:33 2014.

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Health insurers complained years ago about the regulations changing daily, and a billion dollar price tag to keep the systems updated...

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Re: Health insurers downgraded by Moody's; ACA ''uncertainty'' over regulations cited

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 24 14:04:10 2014, in response to Re: Health insurers downgraded by Moody's; ACA ''uncertainty'' over regulations cited, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jan 24 13:09:46 2014.

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. . . and nobody listened.

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Not Universal Health Care: Tom Coburn loses oncologist thanks to ACA

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 28 14:03:59 2014, in response to Universal Health Care is HERE in these USA! Apply Now. www.healthcare.gov, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 1 13:19:06 2013.

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Politico

Obamacare: Tom Coburn loses cancer doctor

By TAL KOPAN | 1/28/14 11:29 AM EST
Cancer-stricken Sen. Tom Coburn revealed Tuesday that his health insurance under Obamacare doesn’t cover his oncologist, but said he still is receiving excellent care.

“I’m doing well from a health standpoint, got great docs,” Coburn said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” on Tuesday when asked about his health. “Fortunately — even though my new coverage won’t cover my specialist — I’m going to have great care, and I have a great prognosis.”

The Oklahoma Republican’s spokesman confirmed to Politico that since the senator enrolled in his health insurance plan under Obamacare, his coverage has been reduced and he lost coverage for his cancer specialist. Coburn will continue to pay out of pocket and see his oncologist, his office said.

Coburn made public in November that he had been diagnosed with a recurrence of prostate cancer. He also had prostate cancer surgery in 2011 and has survived colon cancer and melanoma. He also announced earlier this month he would not serve out his full Senate term, but said his decision was not made because of his health.

The Oklahoma Republican and physician has been a critic of Obamacare, unveiling on Monday a plan with two other senators to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act.

His spokesman said Coburn’s struggles with his own doctor illustrate the need for a new policy, saying that not every American has the option to pay out of pocket for care.

“We hope the White House will work with us to make sure Americans who can’t afford to pay out of pocket don’t lose access to life-saving care,” spokesman John Hart said. “As Dr. Coburn’s experience shows, the American people are about to learn they’re going to lose access to not only their doctors and plans, but their specialists and treatments.”


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Re: Not Universal Health Care: Tom Coburn loses oncologist thanks to ACA

Posted by bingbong on Tue Jan 28 14:43:14 2014, in response to Not Universal Health Care: Tom Coburn loses oncologist thanks to ACA, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 28 14:03:59 2014.

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Like any and all insurance policies, who the caregivers are depend solely upon the carrier's network. I lost my doctor of 10 years when we got new and as it turns out, better insurance.iMO, it's worked for the better for me.

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Re: Not Universal Health Care: Tom Coburn loses oncologist thanks to ACA

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 28 14:57:42 2014, in response to Not Universal Health Care: Tom Coburn loses oncologist thanks to ACA, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 28 14:03:59 2014.

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Maybe he should have voted for single payer ...

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Re: Not Universal Health Care: Tom Coburn loses oncologist thanks to ACA

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 28 21:37:06 2014, in response to Not Universal Health Care: Tom Coburn loses oncologist thanks to ACA, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 28 14:03:59 2014.

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Thanks for highlighting the fact that Coburn is saying that he was better off when he had government-financed health care.



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Re: Not Universal Health Care: Tom Coburn loses oncologist thanks to ACA

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 29 10:11:15 2014, in response to Re: Not Universal Health Care: Tom Coburn loses oncologist thanks to ACA, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 28 14:57:42 2014.

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Looks like he just did

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Re: Not Universal Health Care: Tom Coburn loses oncologist thanks to ACA

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 29 10:12:20 2014, in response to Re: Not Universal Health Care: Tom Coburn loses oncologist thanks to ACA, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jan 28 21:37:06 2014.

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I'm seconding this post. I'm glad someone is highlighting how shitty the policies and ACA is. Not all of us are sluts that need gov't financed condoms, health entails other things they should be reminded.

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Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 31 01:34:46 2014, in response to Universal Health Care is HERE in these USA! Apply Now. www.healthcare.gov, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 1 13:19:06 2013.

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Mediaite

Stewart Laughs in Pelosi’s Face After She Admits She Doesn’t Know Why Obamacare Site Failed

by Noah Rothman | 11:48 pm, January 30th, 2014
House Minority Leader Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) sat down with The Daily Show host Jon Stewart on Thursday for a contentious interview. The interview became tense when Stewart attempted to get Pelosi to explain why government appears to function so poorly to the outside observer. When Pelosi attempted to explain why this was the case, Stewart became even more agitated.

“Right now, we have a school of thought in the House Republican caucus that is anti-government, anti-science, anti-Obama,” Pelosi said when asked about the nature of governance in Washington. “They have a trifecta that just enables them to vote against everything.”

Stewart said that Democrats are then required to make a stronger case. He said that Democratic governance now appears “chaotic” and their execution of legislation appears to “lack efficiency.” When Pelosi again blamed Republicans for this condition, Stewart became even more agitated.

When he asked why it was so difficult to get a company to execute the Affordable Care Act’s insurance exchange website “competently,” Pelosi replied, “I don’t know.”

“What do you mean you don’t know? How do you not know?” Stewart asked laughing.


Pelosi called the failed website “shameful,” but noted that it is improving.

Stewart circled back to a philosophical pro-government argument that Democrats espouse but at the same time have been unable to demonstrate competency. He cited President Barack Obama’s campaign which had an efficient online process, but noted that it was impossible for that team to work on the ACA.

“Doesn’t matter,” Pelosi said. “What matters is it should have been prepared for.”

“Do we have a foundational problem? Is there a corruption in the system that needs to be addressed?” Stewart asked. Pelosi went on to detail the issues with bureaucracy and the failure of departments to communicate with each other. “Okay, do something about it,” Pelosi said.

“I was actually going to say that to you,” Stewart interjected.


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Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 31 06:39:48 2014, in response to Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 31 01:34:46 2014.

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Yet people still think Jon Stewart is "comedy" not political commentary.

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Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 31 06:52:54 2014, in response to Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 31 06:39:48 2014.

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Yeah, like Bill Maher.

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Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 31 08:18:58 2014, in response to Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed, posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 31 06:52:54 2014.

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Yup. Maher and Stewart are in my opinion, as important, or more important than MSNBC or NYTimes.

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Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 31 09:21:45 2014, in response to Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 31 08:18:58 2014.

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Any politician who gets a well-liked comedian on his or her a$$ is in trouble.

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Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 31 10:16:57 2014, in response to Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 31 01:34:46 2014.

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So? She is not the tech person.

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Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 31 10:20:53 2014, in response to Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 31 01:34:46 2014.

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Stewart can miss the point sometimes. A broken website is something that can be fixed -- and genus what, maybe he hasn't heard the news, it is now fixed. Pelosi should've slammed him.

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Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 31 10:38:10 2014, in response to Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 31 01:34:46 2014.

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Did she make noises? I always like listening to her interviews with real reporters because she always starts to make baby noises.
The face of a party.

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Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by WillD on Fri Jan 31 11:02:46 2014, in response to Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 31 01:34:46 2014.

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So you agree with Stewart's argument that we should have gone with a single payer system, right?

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Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 31 15:02:26 2014, in response to Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed, posted by WillD on Fri Jan 31 11:02:46 2014.

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Of course since they've now adopted Stewart as their official non-comedic spokesfish for their cause over this. :)

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Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jan 31 18:18:13 2014, in response to Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed, posted by WillD on Fri Jan 31 11:02:46 2014.

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No

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Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jan 31 18:20:11 2014, in response to Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 31 06:39:48 2014.

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Nothing funny about him.

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Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jan 31 18:21:02 2014, in response to Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed, posted by SLRT on Fri Jan 31 06:52:54 2014.

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He's not funny either.

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Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jan 31 18:21:38 2014, in response to Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 31 08:18:58 2014.

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Thats not saying much.

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Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jan 31 18:23:01 2014, in response to Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 31 10:16:57 2014.

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She's an ugly creep.

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Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Jan 31 18:24:25 2014, in response to Re: Jon Stewart laughs at Nancy Pelosi when she says she doesn't know why www.healthcare.gov failed, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jan 31 10:38:10 2014.

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She's a creep.

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