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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by italianstallion on Wed Feb 5 17:56:53 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 5 16:33:33 2014.

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FYI, as SMAZ pointed out, the donut hole is being filled. Anyone who's been following ACA knows this.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by italianstallion on Wed Feb 5 17:58:53 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by SMAZ on Wed Feb 5 17:31:22 2014.

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Pwned

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 5 17:59:21 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 5 17:47:21 2014.

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No bullshit at all. In fact, it's so obvious you probably know the answer same as everyone else. I'm just in no mood to answer you. You wouldn't answer me. Sod off.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 5 18:04:59 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 5 17:52:19 2014.

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You don't deserve proof you won't provide any for the outlandish statements you make, the RW delusions and bullshit you promote as fact. Sod off.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 5 18:15:00 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 5 17:59:21 2014.

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Sod off? Sorry but I'll be around long enough to shit on your headstone.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 5 18:18:56 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 5 18:04:59 2014.

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Sod off?

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 5 18:46:42 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 5 18:15:00 2014.

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Lol! Not happening.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 5 18:50:17 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 5 18:18:56 2014.

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That's right. Sod off.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by train dude on Wed Feb 5 19:14:14 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 5 18:46:42 2014.

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I actually hope that you don't go young. Rather see those kidneys fail and have you on dialysis 5 hours a day 3 days a week for the rest of your miserable life.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 5 20:23:34 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by train dude on Wed Feb 5 19:14:14 2014.

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How much for dialysis under Obamacare?

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 5 21:15:20 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by SMAZ on Wed Feb 5 17:33:11 2014.

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He rides it on his bike. :)

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 5 22:17:14 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 5 20:23:34 2014.

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I don't know but then again, the death panel could just turn the glass over - meaning she isn't worth the cost.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 5 22:31:41 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by train dude on Wed Feb 5 19:14:14 2014.

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Except they won't. See, you have no clue as to what the issues are, so you go off on your own delusion and end up wrong every time.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 5 22:35:50 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 5 22:31:41 2014.

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I'm not wrong. I'd love to see you on dialysis. I hope you get there soon. You've earned it. Hopefully your kidneys will oblige.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 5 22:41:08 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 5 22:35:50 2014.

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Not happening. You have a far better chance of ending up there.THIW

See, unlike you I don't wish anything upon you beyond going away from here. That'll do just fine. That's the difference between you and I, I'm not a hater. You are. So be careful, it'll come back to you. Always does.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 5 22:48:13 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 5 22:41:08 2014.

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"Sod Off"! No, I'll be hoping every day that you meet some catastrophic illness. You are the most hateful person I have ever encountered. You deserve your life and worse.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 5 23:02:43 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 5 22:48:13 2014.

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Why are you still here? You went away and things here were saner. And far less poisonous.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 5 23:24:46 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 5 23:02:43 2014.

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I want to be here. Maybe it's your turn to leave. Time for you to push up the daisies.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 6 00:23:54 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 5 23:24:46 2014.

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Why do you two even bother to respond to one another's postings?

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 6 00:38:28 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 6 00:23:54 2014.

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Just so you know, I'm bingbong's husband. Since I whoop his ass every time he comes after me, he prefers to beat up on girls and she loves pissing him off. I think he wants a date, but he's gonna have to bend over for me first and obviously that thought keeps him coming back for more. :)

Even Dan Lawrence is kicking his ass lately, so if she stops playing with him, we're worried that he'll do something rash and we'd feel awful about it. Heh.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 6 00:40:52 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 6 00:38:28 2014.

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Oh I knew you two were married. It's just that the two of them always end up in pissing matches.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 6 00:47:39 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 6 00:40:52 2014.

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He's old, addled, and retired. He obviously has nothing else to live for or he'd be doing something else. Since we both pity him, we're willing to play ball with him - kinda like a golden retriever with bad arthritis who's about to be put down. There's a pity factor involved since he obviouslt has nothing better to do with himself otherwise. :)

Rest assured though, bingbong is amused by the neverending stupid, personally I don't even bother looking at the threads when I see the back and forth. But it obviously makes his day that he has somebody to play with because quite clearly he really doesn't have much else to do around here than that.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 6 02:34:50 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 6 00:23:54 2014.

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Chronic obsessive posting disorder.

There are about 6 or 8 people here who have it.

Bingbong especially tends to bring it out in people because to her, facts and feelings are not distinct elements. This so infuriates certain people that they just can't stop replying to her posts.



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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 6 02:44:13 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 5 22:17:14 2014.

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A lot of that is happening with Britain's National Health Service.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 6 09:24:20 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 6 02:34:50 2014.

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You're wrong about the indistinction. Every person knows that. It's an issue of importance.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Feb 6 12:12:49 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 6 00:47:39 2014.

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I feel sorry for him. It must be bad when your friends don't want you around. I'm retired from Social Security after 39 years so all I do is take the kids to school (my daughter's kids, ours are grown up) and pick them up, otherwise I play with the streetcars at the Museum.

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Re: Democrats are ''bed-wetting'' over 2014 and ACA fallout?

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Feb 6 12:25:15 2014, in response to Re: Democrats are ''bed-wetting'' over 2014 and ACA fallout?, posted by bingbong on Wed Feb 5 17:22:05 2014.

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Fortunately that's never going to happen in our lifetimes.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 6 17:25:42 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 6 02:34:50 2014.

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I hate to admit it but you have hit the nail exactly on the head.

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 6 17:33:58 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Feb 6 12:12:49 2014.

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Your friends don't want you around, dan? Why is that? You should do what I do, dan lawrence. I have a group of 7 fellow retirees. We work out at the gym in the morning - then go to lunch. We have social functions together and we also travel together 4 times a year.

Of course, you could join some groups like I did. I have my motorcycle group and my model train group and at least one other. You should try that instead of sitting home and pretending that you don't drink.

I can also understand why they don't want you at the trolley museum after you wished the president of the museum would die. BTW - Did he ever mention that he saw that post that you made here?

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Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Feb 7 11:48:23 2014, in response to Re: Universal Health Care? Covered California patients can't find doctors, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 6 17:33:58 2014.

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Making up stuff again, TD? Show me where "why they don't want you at the trolley museum after you wished the president of the museum would die".

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AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 8 00:30:16 2014, in response to Universal Health Care is HERE in these USA! Apply Now. www.healthcare.gov, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 1 13:19:06 2013.

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CNN Money

AOL cuts benefits, blames Obamacare

By Tami Luhby
February 6, 2014: 6:03 PM ET
AOL became the latest company to blame Obamacare for cutting back on employee benefits.

The tech firm will now pay its 401(k) company match only to employees who are active on Dec. 31 of that year, as opposed to in their paychecks throughout the year. So those who leave the company before the end of the year will forfeit the match.

AOL CEO Tim Armstrong blamed $7.1 million in additional Obamacare costs the company is facing this year. Had the company not made the change in its 401(k) payments, employees would have seen their health insurance costs increase, he told CNN Thursday.

Armstrong did not provide a lot of specifics about what aspects of Obamacare were pushing up the company's health care costs, but said it was one factor affecting the 401(k) restructuring.

"The Obamacare Act and some of the changes that happened there had increases in our health care costs," Armstrong told CNN. "We had to make a choice whether we pass those on or whether we took other benefits and reduce them."

Some employees will still see their premiums rise, depending on the plan they picked, though AOL "ate a huge piece of the increase."
The news came on a day when AOL announced 2013 was "its most successful year in the last decade," reporting revenues of $2.3 billion.

AOL's move makes it the latest in a string of companies to change their benefits because of Obamacare. A few weeks ago, Target said it will stop offering health insurance to part-timers and instead help them buy coverage on the state and federal exchanges. Last year, United Parcel Service and University of Virginia said they are dropping coverage for employees' spouses that have access to benefits elsewhere because of Obamacare.

Here are the major Obamacare fees and taxes that employers say will raise their costs:
  • Transitional reinsurance fee: This fee will be imposed on employers for the next three years and will go toward helping the state-based insurance exchanges pay for large claims. The fee will be $63 per insured member in 2014, but is expected to decrease in the latter two years.

  • Patient Centered Outcomes Research Institute fee: This charge will go to pay for a new agency tasked with giving patients a better understanding of the prevention, treatment and care options available, and the science that supports those options. Employers were charged $1 per insured person in 2013 and will pay $2 in 2014. The fee then increases with inflation in health care spending for the next five years.

  • Health insurer fee: This annual fee is aimed at helping pay for the implementation of ACA. It will be about 2.5% of total premiums in 2014 and is expected to go up to 4% by 2017. Beyond that, it will rise with the growth in premiums. Insurers are expected to pass this fee through to employers.

  • 'Cadillac' tax: Starting in 2018, employers who offer rich benefit plans — where the total premium will cost more than $10,200 for an individual plan or $27,500 for family coverage — will have to pay the so-called Cadillac tax, a 40% tax on the amount over the threshold. This tax is prompting companies to shift more medical expenses onto employees, which not only brings down the price of the premiums, but also pushes employees and their spouses to consider other options available to them.

  • Individual mandate: Also adding to employer costs is the Obamacare requirement that Americans obtain insurance or face a penalty starting in this year. That will prompt many employees who had opted out of their company's coverage to sign up.
Aside from new Obamacare fees and taxes, the growth of health care costs has been at record low levels for several years. Annual premiums — including both employers' and employees' shares — rose only 4% in 2013, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation/Health Research & Educational Trust (HRET) 2013 Employer Health Benefits Survey.


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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 8 01:20:10 2014, in response to AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 8 00:30:16 2014.

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So let's repeal Obamacare then ... this way, until you qualify for Medicare, you too can get hit every month for better than $1200 if you're over 30 years of age and add another $100 a month for every two years older you are than that just like OUR insurance plan before Obamacare happened.

People have NO IDEA of what health insurance actually cost because most employers picked up the whole tab for an employee, and better than 80% of dependent coverage if you had to pay separately for that in your plan.

Yeah, let's go back to the way things were so folks can BEG to have their Obamacare back. :)

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 8 01:35:55 2014, in response to Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 8 01:20:10 2014.

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Of course, the GOP thinks if people would just stop getting old, sick, or hurt, there'd be no healthcare problem in this country. O_o

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 8 01:56:29 2014, in response to Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Feb 8 01:35:55 2014.

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Die quickly, especially in Florida. Folks can't figure out that if you give MBA's ANY excuse, they're gonna fuck you. :-\

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 8 11:07:40 2014, in response to AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 8 00:30:16 2014.

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In other news, AOL still exists? And somehow can afford to pay employees in the US? Is it a front for organized crime?

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Feb 8 11:13:15 2014, in response to AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 8 00:30:16 2014.

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Just for giggles, how many people still use AOL?

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Feb 8 11:58:31 2014, in response to AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 8 00:30:16 2014.

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Aren't the aol workers overseas?

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 8 12:07:12 2014, in response to AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 8 00:30:16 2014.

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As usual the media accepts their explanation without seeking the details. No info at all from AOL as to how ACA is costing them, so I believe the claim is bogus.

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Feb 8 12:16:00 2014, in response to Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 8 12:07:12 2014.

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Unless you have stock in aol, they dont have to show you anything.

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 8 12:16:46 2014, in response to Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Feb 8 12:16:00 2014.

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If they want to claim Obamacare is costing them, they should back it up with facts.

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Feb 8 12:27:34 2014, in response to AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 8 00:30:16 2014.

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Uh oh it is not the ACA!

LINK

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Feb 8 12:30:14 2014, in response to Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 8 12:16:46 2014.

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Again, if you are stockholder of aol, then yes, they should back it up. So I suppose all companies that say are having financial difficulties because of obamacare are all liars?

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 8 12:59:19 2014, in response to Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Feb 8 12:30:14 2014.

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Given where corporate profits are (including AOL's) at record levels, I'd like to see an actual publicly-traded corporation that is having "difficulty" in administration of ACA benefits to their employees.


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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Feb 8 13:08:43 2014, in response to Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Feb 8 12:27:34 2014.

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It's them distressed babies on the board of directors. And AOL ain't the only ones killing the 401k's ... well, they let them take away the pensions, this should be no surprise. Meanwhile the under-50's just LOVE their GOP world and can look forward to their retirement being just like the homeless.

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 8 13:17:49 2014, in response to Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Feb 8 12:16:00 2014.

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Leftists think they own everything already.

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 8 13:29:31 2014, in response to Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 8 12:59:19 2014.

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Yup. I haven't heard of any companies having such difficulties.

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 8 13:30:48 2014, in response to Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Feb 8 12:30:14 2014.

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You don't know what you are talking about. You don't have to be a stockholder of a public company to get material information. Such companies have to make material information available to the public, not just their shareholders.

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 8 13:32:13 2014, in response to Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 8 13:29:31 2014.

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Maybe some are afraid to speak out fearing retaliation?



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Another bogus claim debunked.Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 8 13:33:15 2014, in response to Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Feb 8 12:27:34 2014.

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Of course it's not the ACA. That is just a convenient excuse for screwing employees.

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Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 8 13:34:50 2014, in response to Re: AOL casts blame at ACA for having to cut benefits, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 8 13:32:13 2014.

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For what? From whom? This is a free country.

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