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Re: Federal judge grants 187 NAZI FReeperFReakFRinge groups relief from ACA birth control mandate |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Dec 20 22:16:56 2013, in response to Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 20 21:56:35 2013. It should be illegal for religious groups to have direct employees. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 20 22:26:42 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 NAZI FReeperFReakFRinge groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Dec 20 22:16:56 2013. Save your anti-First-Amendment rants for Stormfront, rocKKKparKKKnazi. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Dec 20 23:29:32 2013, in response to Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 20 21:56:35 2013. Pathetic. These requirements were in force in many states ( including NY, where the Archdiocese complied without complaint) before the ACA. Suddenly they are a problem. Go figure. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 20 23:45:37 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 20 22:26:42 2013. He's got a point there which I agree with. If you're WITH the religion, then they should be able to call the shots since you're going to be in full agreement with them anyway. But to IMPOSE those religious attitudes towards CIVILIANS hired by them is WRONG. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 21 00:07:22 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by italianstallion on Fri Dec 20 23:29:32 2013. Easy to understand. Look at *who* is doing the actual complaining. The "establishment wing" of the republican party. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 01:37:44 2013, in response to Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 20 21:56:35 2013. My problem is when the Christianists mess with local laws like they tried to here in Florida.They tried to ban welfare abortions, and that's bad for crime and welfare rolls. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 21 02:12:04 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 01:37:44 2013. Wrong. It is wrong to limit rights based on mere economics. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 02:58:18 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 21 02:12:04 2013. what's up? you're all worked up so late at night?your statement about economics is why property will be confiscated at some point in America. to redistribute the wealth you have to redistribute the real estate. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Dec 21 04:40:03 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 01:37:44 2013. Do you realize what you're saying? You want abortion to be easily available and cheap, but not birth control. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 04:50:26 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by AlM on Sat Dec 21 04:40:03 2013. AlM,How are you? You said you have a Sicilian wife. I'm jealous. So let us all know what you ate on Christmas Eve. Now, back to politics. I do want birth control to be cheap and available. All public schools should provide birth control. I don't think any Christian institution should be forced to provide it. People should avoid such institutions. Gotta get some sleep. I'm going to 5p mass. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 21 06:40:11 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 02:58:18 2013. You're completely and totally wrong. You are so wrong your wrongness conumes the universe.The most important thing about America has been ( excluding the past 30ish years), its devotion to *expanding* rights. That could never include taking away from anyone, as that too is a loss of rights. Focus on expanding oppotunities for all ( part of the magic of the 90s), a positive REAListic American approach. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 07:19:52 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 02:58:18 2013. Their property will be the first to go, if that happens. Marxists always hate the "kulaks" the most. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 07:20:39 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 04:50:26 2013. I do want birth control to be cheap and availableBut do you want religious groups forced into providing it, is the question? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 07:22:34 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 01:37:44 2013. No such thing as Christianists. Thanks for attacking. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Dec 21 09:37:05 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 20 23:45:37 2013. Depends upon the circumstances. For example, take a teacher at a religious school. Is he/she a lay teacher or a called teacher? By called I don't mean a fully ordained man/woman of the cloth but a teacher who received some religious training as a requirement for the job.If a true lay teacher, then the institution is bound by civil law. But if a called teacher, it may not be. See Hosanna-Tabor Evangelical Lutheran Church and School v. EEOC, wherein SCOTUS held the Establishment and Free Exercise Clauses of the First Amendment bars suits brought on behalf of ministers against their churches, claiming termination in violation of employment discrimination laws. SCOTUS reversed the Sixth Circuit and dismissed the employment discrimination suit against the teacher's religious employer. In Hosanna-Tabor the "minister" was a called teacher, not a true ordained minister. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Dec 21 09:38:34 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 21 06:40:11 2013. You are so wrong your wrongness conumes the universe.ROTFLMAO!!!!!! +1 |
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Re: Federal judge grants 187 KKKhriSS$tianist groups relief from ACA birth control mandate |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 21 10:25:16 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 07:22:34 2013. OPPRESS THEM NOW OR FACE OPPRESSION YOURSELF. |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Sat Dec 21 12:44:23 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 21 06:40:11 2013. Completely and totally pw3nt. LOL |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 21 13:28:39 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Dave on Sat Dec 21 09:37:05 2013. Since I did Catholic school, be happy to clarify. :)Religious education was given by the priests and the nuns. You could spot them because they wore a "uniform." They also hired what were called "lay teachers" that had your standard NYS Teaching certifications and they wore "plain clothes." They did NOT teach religion at all. Therefore, pretty easy to separate the group as to who gets coverage and who can "conscientious object" ... No ambiguity there. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 14:01:00 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Dave on Sat Dec 21 09:38:34 2013. A multi-millionaire like yourself had better hope she's +1. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 14:05:14 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 07:20:39 2013. But do you want religious groups forced into providing it, is the question?I have said, "No" a thousand times. Only an AlM post could ratfuck what someone says. AlM knows I want plenty of birth control but don't think religious institution to be forced to provide it. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 14:09:05 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 07:22:34 2013. You're a Christianist if you don't support abortion and see the benefit it provides to society and how it lowers crime and poverty.It's so hot down here I have to wear a short-sleeved shirt to church tonight. Might take communion wafer for first time in a long time. I don't believe in confession but might eat the wafer anyway. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 14:17:26 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Dave on Sat Dec 21 09:38:34 2013. "Expanding rights", really? Bullshit. Turning rights into privileges, more like. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 14:17:53 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 14:09:05 2013. No such thing as a Christianist. Anyone who supports abortion is supporting Moloch-worship. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 14:19:03 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 KKKhriSS$tianist groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 21 10:25:16 2013. Yeah, oppress the very groups that won WWII, stupid rocKKKparKKKnazi, and keep supporting the real Nazis that support Israel's enemies. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 21 14:20:49 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 14:17:53 2013. STFU, IDIOT. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 14:21:13 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 14:05:14 2013. Fine by me.I don't think that the government should "provide" it either. The free market can take care of that, in spite of Sandra Fluke's transparent lies. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 21 14:32:29 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 14:19:03 2013. Israel has NO friends outside the Jewish people. you piped off that ship, Dog. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Dec 21 14:36:57 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 21 13:28:39 2013. In Hosanna the teacher taught secular subjects but was required to be a called teacher in order to be hired. That's why the lower courts ruled in her favor; she wasn't teaching religious classes. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Dec 21 14:40:34 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 14:01:00 2013. Why do you say I'm a multi-millionaire? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 14:48:46 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 14:17:53 2013. Abortion lowers crime. Defends good people from bad portions of society.I wish el Salvador would legalize abortion. Their gang problem is out of control and affects us. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 14:50:35 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Dave on Sat Dec 21 14:40:34 2013. I know you're a multi-millionaire and have a gorgeous high maintenance wife.So it's best you don't get into a feud here with anyone. Goodbye. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 14:55:49 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 14:48:46 2013. Keep pushing the lies of liberal professors. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 14:56:34 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Dave on Sat Dec 21 14:40:34 2013. Dintcha know OTChat's a millionaire's club. We be the 1 percent. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 15:00:08 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 14:55:49 2013. I won't be drawn into a feud with you.Sadly you don't get it. Feel kind of bad for you Olog-hai. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 21 15:05:47 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 14:17:53 2013. LOL! |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Dec 21 15:12:08 2013, in response to Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 20 21:56:35 2013. Everyone leading all 187 of those groups, all of which probably MALE, HETEROSEXUAL, and WHITE, and the judge in question (also MALE, HETEROSEXUAL, and WHITE) need to be locked in a warehouse and dissected. They're worthless scum and need to be taken care of.The white, non-Jewish, heterosexual male is the one being to never face oppression. It needs to face oppression that makes Jim Crow seem like an accidental snub. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 15:18:17 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 Male-Led hate groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Dec 21 15:12:08 2013. Did I ask you to reply?You worship Nazis and hate Jews anyhow. There is nothing wrong with white male heterosexuals. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 15:19:44 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 15:00:08 2013. I'm supposed to "get" the lies of liberal professors? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 15:21:15 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 Male-Led hate groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Dec 21 15:12:08 2013. It needs to face oppression that makes Jim Crow seem like an accidental snub.We will. In my lifetime I predict oppression of whites far worse than Jim Crow. Not sure how old you are but you'll probably live to see it. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 15:22:45 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelicals relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 15:18:17 2013. There is nothing wrong with white male heterosexuals.We're the most hated segment of society. And it's only going to get worse. Watch. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Dec 21 15:23:12 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 Male-Led hate groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 15:21:15 2013. I'll leave the country unless they get Canada and Mexico to oppress them too. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 15:24:43 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 21 14:32:29 2013. Yet you want to keep voting Democrat. (Aside from the lie you just told.) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 15:25:16 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 Male-Led hate groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 15:21:15 2013. It's already happening. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Dec 21 15:32:14 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 14:21:13 2013. If relgious groups,which function within the so called "free market" are permitted to exclude basic healthcare to half the population, they will not be served and the "free market" will provide no solution.Use of contraceptives is a personal action that does not extend to others beyond one particular relationship. It is based upon one's personal beliefs WRT their sexual behavior, and hopefully, a good dollop of common sense regarding the chances of the couple functioning as responsible parents and safety WRT preventing disease. If a religion's teachings don't provide a compelling enough message regarding contraceptive use, then those who develop their message ned to rethink and rework it. Imposing such, as allowing bans, is unworkable as a matter of faith, what about free will? It is transparent oppression. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 21 15:48:47 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 14:09:05 2013. It's a mortal sin taking Communion without cleansing your soul of sins through the sacrement of Penance. Do think twice.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Dec 21 16:12:30 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 14:50:35 2013. He made his money the old fashoned way, he earned it. Dave is certainly adept enough to be a millionaire.8-) 8-) 8-) |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Dec 21 16:12:47 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 evangelical groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Dec 21 14:50:35 2013. THANK YOU for complimenting my wife! But high maintenance she is not. We started dating 40 years ago this coming March...I borrowed 25 cents to help pay for dinner on our first date and pocketed the change. She tells people I still owe her 25 cents; I tell them if I paid her back, she'd divorce me so I won't!How do you know that your wife/husband/significant other is THE one? When the thought of living without them turns your bowels to water. |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Dec 21 16:17:08 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 Male-Led hate groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Dec 21 15:23:12 2013. Why wait? We'll all chip in to buy you a bus ticket tomorrow. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 21 16:18:17 2013, in response to Re: Federal judge grants 187 Male-Led hate groups relief from ACA birth control mandate, posted by Scrabbleship on Sat Dec 21 15:23:12 2013. Leave anyway. Don't be a wuss. Put your money where your mouth is. |
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