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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jul 1 23:52:54 2013, in response to Zimmerman Trial, posted by daNd124 on Mon Jul 1 23:47:17 2013. 1. Not really2. Not if it's self defense 3. Yup |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 1 23:58:04 2013, in response to Zimmerman Trial, posted by daNd124 on Mon Jul 1 23:47:17 2013. 1) Yep.2) Yep. 3) Wrong. There is evidence he is guilty of a crime. He got out of his truck and stalked the young man he later killed. That's criminal. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Mon Jul 1 23:59:33 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 1 23:58:04 2013. what Zimmerman did isn't stalking under Florida law. |
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Posted by grand concourse on Tue Jul 2 01:03:18 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 1 23:58:04 2013. Zimmerman should've stayed in the car as told and could've avoided this whole mess. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 2 01:04:54 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by grand concourse on Tue Jul 2 01:03:18 2013. Or maybe Trayvon should have not gone after him. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Jul 2 01:31:54 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by grand concourse on Tue Jul 2 01:03:18 2013. Exactly.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 2 01:56:30 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 2 01:04:54 2013. ummmmm ... it was the other way around. Trayvon was out in front on his way home, Zimmerman was behind him. So technically, who went AFTER who? Do YOU let people follow you to find out where YOU live? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 2 02:09:13 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 2 01:56:30 2013. Do YOU let people follow you to find out where YOU live?he gets out? |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Jul 2 02:21:58 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 2 02:09:13 2013. Well doesn't he need to get his supplies?Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 2 02:36:06 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Jul 2 02:21:58 2013. I believe they're mail ordered from free republic and then air-dropped in by black helicopters and the occasional UFO. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 2 02:36:46 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by SMAZ on Tue Jul 2 02:09:13 2013. Yeah, the sequester has resulted in fewer orderlies at the old phunny pharm. :) |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 2 08:40:50 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 1 23:58:04 2013. He was advised to not get out his truck, not ordered. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 2 08:41:39 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 2 01:56:30 2013. I guess you were there. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 2 08:42:42 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 1 23:58:04 2013. IAWTLP |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jul 2 09:38:13 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Mon Jul 1 23:58:04 2013. Wrong. The 911 operator said that they did not "need" Mr. Zimmerman to follow Trevon Martin. He was under no legal obligation to heed the suggestion of the 911 operator.Wrong: So far, it's been shown that Trevon Martin was the aggressor in the confrontation. Wrong: The only evidence shown by the prosecution so far has not proven their case. In fact, it's made a strong affirmative case for self defense on the part of George Zimmerman. You were wrong about Kermit Gosnell. You've not improved your knowledge of the legal system since. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 10:39:05 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by daNd124 on Mon Jul 1 23:59:33 2013. His intent was to harm. That's criminal. ((stalking was used for lack of a better word at the time, the actual crime is menacing) |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 10:44:34 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by grand concourse on Tue Jul 2 01:03:18 2013. Exactly. Nobody would have died that night if he had. THAT is why he's on trial.The act of making the choice to, against law enforcement advice, and then getting out of his truck and pursuing Mr Martin to his end is the criminal act. There was no need to pick a fight with this kid. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 10:46:52 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 10:39:05 2013. His intent was to harm.there's no evidence of that stalking was used for lack of a better word at the time, the actual crime is menacing as far as i can tell there is no law against menacing on the books in florida if you can find one show it to me http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?Mode=Search%20Statutes&Submenu=2&Tab=statutes&CFID=300246596&CFTOKEN=88867885 |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 10:48:57 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 2 08:41:39 2013. The evidence presented asserts that.Do realize that Mr Martin had every right to be there. Therefore HE ASLO had the right to "stand his ground" against someone whose motives were unknown, some stranger chasing him in a truck and then on foot. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 10:52:59 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 10:44:34 2013. The act of making the choice to, against law enforcement advice, and then getting out of his truck and pursuing Mr Martin to his end is the criminal act.please tell us what statute he violated the entire legal code of Florida is available here: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?Mode=View%20Statutes&Submenu=1&Tab=statutes&CFID=300246596&CFTOKEN=88867885 |
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Posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 10:54:28 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 10:48:57 2013. The evidence presented asserts that.what evidence has been shown regarding Zimmerman's intent? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:01:14 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 10:46:52 2013. He pursued Mr Martin as if he was hunting a deer. He took his gun with him when he left the truck. That is criminal menacing.http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2245&dat=19871012&id=Lq9AAAAAIBAJ&sjid=VTIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=6767,5325985 |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:03:01 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 10:52:59 2013. The result of his action is manslaughter. Zimmerman will see a felony conviction and prison time by the end of the month. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:05:15 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:01:14 2013. He pursued Mr Martin as if he was hunting a deer. He took his gun with him when he left the truck. That is criminal menacing.http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2245&dat=19871012&id=Lq9AAAAAIBAJ&sjid=VTIHAAAAIBAJ&pg=6767,5325985 there is no law against fallowing someone with or without a gun, there does not appear to be any law about criminal menacing in florida, the article has nothing to do with the case. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:05:27 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 10:54:28 2013. His argument with the dispatcher about "they always get away with it" when he was told to stay out of it, and in his statement to police after he killed Mr Martin at the station. That was IIRC, yesterday's witness. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:09:27 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:05:27 2013. that doesn't mean he intended to harm Martin he could have just wanted to keep him in sight. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:09:57 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:05:15 2013. The article has to do with Florida's LACK of appropriate law. This is going to be for the jury to decide. I doubt they think pursuit of a peaceful individual while armed is appropriate behavior. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:11:52 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:03:01 2013. Zimmerman's action don't meet the definition of manslaughter and he isn't charged with manslaughter if he's not guilty of murder he walks. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jul 2 11:12:06 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:09:57 2013. The jury's job isn't to determine what is appropriate behavior, it is to determine beyond a reasonable doubt whether Mr. Zimmerman is guilty or not of the crimes he has been charged with. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:12:50 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:09:57 2013. so your claim is that there is no law against what he did but the jury will convict him anyway? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:13:48 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:09:27 2013. If he was intending to be an observer why'd he take a gun? Why'd he leave his truck? (remember he was advised NOT to)Leaving the truck and taking the gun were conscious choices Zimmerman made. Guns do NOT assist one's visual acuity. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:18:00 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:13:48 2013. If he was intending to be an observer why'd he take a gun?irrelevant it wasn't illegal for him to do so. Why'd he leave his truck? (remember he was advised NOT to) Leaving the truck and taking the gun were conscious choices Zimmerman made. Guns do NOT assist one's visual acuity. none of that affects the legality of his actions. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:19:52 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:11:52 2013. Yes he IS charged with manslaughter. There are IIRC 30 charges involved. They are trying for a murder conviction, but will likely get a manslaughter conviction. It's still a felony, Zimmerman will do time and never be able to get a legal gun again. That is the best possible outcome as I see it.He's not going to walk. The issue for Zimmerman is how long he sits in prison. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:22:07 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:18:00 2013. There is NO legality to his actions. Stand your ground laws do not mean you can pursue someone based on one's personal profiling. It only speaks to self defense. It does not legalize vigilantism. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:22:50 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:19:52 2013. no manslaughter is not included on the charge. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:23:46 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:22:07 2013. please cite the law that makes it illegal to follow someone. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:29:49 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:22:50 2013. Ye sit is. There are 30 different charges related to the case. They have to try for them all or he walks on the double jeopardy thing. That's Law School 101. All the charges are there.Stop reading the Daily News please. They are not presenting the facts of this case. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:31:55 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:23:46 2013. There are several. They include stalking, harassment and menacing. Definitions vary by locality, they are in effect the same. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:35:56 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:29:49 2013. the only listed charge is murder |
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Posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:37:09 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:31:55 2013. show me the section of the florida law that he violated, i posted a link to the legal code of florida in this thread already. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:45:31 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:35:56 2013. You're not paying attention. ALL charges are brought to trial. They have to be. I know what the internet says, but the reality is the jury can return with a manslaughter conviction as well as convictions on a slew of lesser charges. I'd bet there's a parking violation in there somewhere as well. But I believe they want a felony conviction if not for murder, then for something resulting in prison time. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:46:16 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:37:09 2013. I don't have the time to play Google for you. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:47:33 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:45:31 2013. no the lesser charges have to be listed. do you remember the louise woodward case? |
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Posted by daNd124 on Tue Jul 2 11:48:37 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:46:16 2013. i'm asking you to provide evidence for the claims you made. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Jul 2 12:18:40 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 2 02:36:06 2013. HA!!!!!!Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 2 13:05:30 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 10:48:57 2013. Who threw the first punch? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 2 13:07:34 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by bingbong on Tue Jul 2 11:46:16 2013. ALL TOGETHER NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jul 2 13:32:22 2013, in response to Zimmerman Trial, posted by daNd124 on Mon Jul 1 23:47:17 2013. 1- not completely, but to some extent2- probably not 3- nope. There has been nothing to contradict zimmermann's version of events. Even the witnesses corroborate his version. |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Tue Jul 2 13:33:32 2013, in response to Re: Zimmerman Trial, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 2 13:07:34 2013. Please, give that silly nonsense a rest..Willya???Peeved, Andee |
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