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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 29 00:07:30 2013 fiogf49gjkf0d Welcome to Newspeak, US-liberal style. Reuters via MSN Is 'penmanship' sexist? Washington state thinks so By Laura L. Myers of Reuters April 24, 2013 SEATTLE — Washington state's governor signed into law on Monday the final piece of a six-year effort to rewrite state laws using gender-neutral vocabulary, replacing terms such as "fisherman" and "freshman" with "fisher" and "first-year student." Lawmakers have passed a series of bills since 2007 to root out gender bias from Washington statutes, though a 1983 state mandate required that all laws be written in gender-neutral terms unless a specification of gender was intended. "This was a much larger effort than I had envisioned. Mankind means man and woman," said Democratic state Senator Jeanne Kohl-Welles of Seattle. The new gender-neutral references, for example, include "journey-level plumber" instead of "journeyman plumber," "handwriting" in place of "penmanship," and "signal operator" for "signalman." "There's no good reason for keeping our legal terms anachronistic and with words that do not respect our current contemporary times," Kohl-Welles, the 475-page bill's sponsor, told Reuters. Several words, however, aren't easy to replace, said Kyle Thiessen, the state's code reviser, who heads up the 40-staff Washington Code Reviser's Office agency. The state likely won't change the words "airmen" and "seaman," for example, because of objections by the state's Washington Military Department, he said. Civil engineering terms such as "man hole" and "man lock" also will not be changed because no common-sense substitutes could easily be found, Thiessen said. Nearly 3,500 Washington state code sections, out of a total of about 40,000, have been tediously scrubbed of gender bias, although most involve adding pronouns "she" and "her" to augment the existing "he" and "his," Thiessen said. The bill passed the Democrat-controlled state House 70-22 on April 9 and unanimously cleared the state Senate on Feb. 8 before being signed by Democratic Gov. Jay Inslee. Washington state is the nation's fourth to boast of eliminating gender bias from its official lexicon, following in the footsteps of Florida, North Carolina and Illinois, Kohl-Welles said. Other states that have passed gender-neutral constitutional mandates include California, Hawaii, Maryland, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont and Utah, Kohl-Welles said. At least nine other states are currently considering gender-neutral legislation, she said. "Words matter," said Liz Watson, a National Women's Law Center senior adviser. "This is important in changing hearts and minds."
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Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control)
Posted by Easy* on Mon Apr 29 00:09:39 2013, in response to Washington State goes after allegedly "sexist" words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 29 00:07:30 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d Makes sense to me. I've made an effort to use gender neutral words for years.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Apr 29 00:17:10 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Easy on Mon Apr 29 00:09:39 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d Why? You also into Marxist "abolition of the family"?
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Posted by daNd124* on Mon Apr 29 00:34:44 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 29 00:17:10 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d You also into Marxist "abolition of the family"? do you think the person who signed the first no-fault divorce bill in the US was a marxist?
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Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control)
Posted by Easy* on Mon Apr 29 00:38:44 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 29 00:17:10 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d I don't think so. Just from working with women it seems more appropriate.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Mon Apr 29 00:41:53 2013, in response to Washington State goes after allegedly "sexist" words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 29 00:07:30 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d They won't change "seamen" for now, until some C-word comes along as says it makes people think "semen", and it will then be changed. If a tsunami or earthquake destroyed the West Coast I would not even follow the story. Would mean nothing to me.
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Posted by Easy* on Mon Apr 29 00:51:47 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 29 00:41:53 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d If a tsunami or earthquake destroyed the West Coast I would not even follow the story. Would mean nothing to me. But if a Muslim terrorist killed 4 people in San Francisco you'd love it and talk about it for weeks!
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Mon Apr 29 00:57:00 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Easy on Mon Apr 29 00:51:47 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d But if a Muslim terrorist killed 4 people in San Francisco you'd love it and talk about it for weeks! I have not been talking about the Boston bombings in recent days. I have asked some common sense questions about immigration policies following 9/11. I have ridiculed reports that Islam is "under attack" in the US when in fact, they gain handsomely from these events.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Apr 29 01:01:18 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Easy on Mon Apr 29 00:38:44 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d Those women belong in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. At least according to an ologist.
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Posted by Easy* on Mon Apr 29 01:01:56 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 29 00:57:00 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d Well you would at least miss Luche Libra.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Mon Apr 29 01:11:49 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Easy on Mon Apr 29 01:01:56 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d thanks for attacking. I'm not happy about the terrorist attacks. I'm disappointed that certain elements here don't care about Boston because it was not another McVeigh. I would be just as concerned if a militia group was involved. And I still think they will be a big threat in the near future. As they feel more alienated they could do something crazy.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Apr 29 01:39:40 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Easy on Mon Apr 29 00:51:47 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d Thanks for blurring the distinction between preventable and non-preventable.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Apr 29 01:41:10 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Easy on Mon Apr 29 00:38:44 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d So you are into Marxist abolition of the family, then.
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Posted by daNd124* on Mon Apr 29 01:55:19 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 29 01:41:10 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d do you think the person who signed the first no-fault divorce bill in the US was a marxist?
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Apr 29 01:56:31 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by daNd124 on Mon Apr 29 01:55:19 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d Do you have a name?
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Posted by daNd124* on Mon Apr 29 01:59:10 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 29 01:56:31 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d does it matter? is no-fault divorce part of a marxist plot to destroy the family?
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 29 02:04:10 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 29 01:56:31 2013. fiogf49gjkf0d Do you?
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Posted by SLRT* on Mon Apr 29 06:00:46 2013, in response to Washington State goes after allegedly "sexist" words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 29 00:07:30 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d As we go for inclusiveness, we're also making new problems. If we use "he or she" should we equally use "she or he" to emphasize that we are not making the he superior? This effort also emphasizes aspects of language that may be antiquated. For example, "journey-level" takes care of the "man" part but what about the "journey" part. When I was a working printer I was a journeyman and that meant I could pull my union card and literally "journey" to any union local in the U.S. and Canada, deposit my card and be eligible to work there. So if a "journey-level" person can't "journey" in the classic sense is he really a "journey-something"?
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Apr 29 12:30:51 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by daNd124 on Mon Apr 29 01:59:10 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yes it absolutely is. And since you brought up the "first person" in this matter, there are two conclusions: that said person was an open Marxist or a "useful idiot" (bet you think that phrase is just an insulting epithet rather than a reference created by communists, don't you). Do yourself a favor and read the Manifesto, especially the second chapter; you'll actually finally see what the leftists are up to, and kick yourself for going along with them. It might even keep you off here for a little while, which will be good for your health.
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 29 12:42:44 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 29 12:30:51 2013. fiogf49gjkf0d LOL! You just called Ronald Reagan a useful idiot. As Dand is not an idiot, useful or otherwise, unlike you, I am certain he is familiar with the phrase's etymology.
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Olog thinks Ronald Reagan was a Useful Idiot
Posted by daNd124* on Mon Apr 29 22:06:52 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 29 12:30:51 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d or do you think he was a Marxist? you push the Manifesto more than most actual marxists, i have no desire to read such nonsense.
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Re: Olog thinks Ronald Reagan was a Useful Idiot
Posted by daNd124* on Mon Apr 29 22:09:56 2013, in response to Olog thinks Ronald Reagan was a Useful Idiot, posted by daNd124 on Mon Apr 29 22:06:52 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d in b4 one of the lefty subchaters says Reagan was a useless idiot :)
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Re: Olog thinks Ronald Reagan was a Useful Idiot
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Mon Apr 29 22:25:40 2013, in response to Olog thinks Ronald Reagan was a Useful Idiot, posted by daNd124 on Mon Apr 29 22:06:52 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d He thinks Goldwater was a lib. :)
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Mon Apr 29 22:27:26 2013, in response to Re: Olog thinks Ronald Reagan was a Useful Idiot, posted by daNd124 on Mon Apr 29 22:09:56 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d Nah ... he was just his own favorite vegetable. :)
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Apr 30 00:08:37 2013, in response to Re: Olog thinks Ronald Reagan was a Useful Idiot, posted by daNd124 on Mon Apr 29 22:09:56 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d You're a "lefty Subchatter", so what the hell are you talking about?
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Apr 30 00:10:06 2013, in response to Olog thinks Ronald Reagan was a Useful Idiot, posted by daNd124 on Mon Apr 29 22:06:52 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d All right, what's with the getting personal in thread titles? You can't make a point without doing that? Which issue are you referring to, stupid? Your nutty thinking must be shaped by talk radio. If you don't want to know what's in the Manifesto, then you refuse to hold the mirror up to yourself and you're going to stay an ignorant putz.
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Posted by daNd124* on Tue Apr 30 00:24:03 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 30 00:10:06 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d no-fault divorce, Ronald Reagan signed america's fist no-fault divorce bill. If you don't want to know what's in the Manifesto, then you refuse to hold the mirror up to yourself and you're going to stay an ignorant putz. Marxism is stupid i don't need to read any more than i already have to understand that.
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Olog thinks Ronald Reagan was a Useful Idiot
Posted by daNd124* on Tue Apr 30 00:24:52 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 30 00:08:37 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d You're a "lefty Subchatter" lol
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Apr 30 00:50:56 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by daNd124 on Tue Apr 30 00:24:03 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, he was most definitely a useful idiot/pinko. Did you think he was conservative, really?? The man was a Democrat for ages. Actions speak the loudest versus words. His refusal to take on Iran should have been another clue, never mind his pioneering work in amnesty for illegals. (This is why I asked you what name you had in mind.) Marxism is stupid. I don't need to read any more than I already have to understand that You don't know your enemy and his tactics, you're going to fail. Now with all your cyberstalking, you didn't get the sense of how my thinking changed after reading it and comparing it with what politicians in this country have been doing?
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Apr 30 00:51:57 2013, in response to Olog thinks Ronald Reagan was a Useful Idiot, posted by daNd124 on Tue Apr 30 00:24:52 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d You know, you say "Marxism is stupid" while advocating Marxist positions. My suggestion to read the Communist Manifesto is now a challenge.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 30 01:03:28 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 30 00:50:56 2013. fiogf49gjkf0d
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Posted by daNd124* on Tue Apr 30 01:05:01 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 30 00:51:57 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d You know, you say "Marxism is stupid" while advocating Marxist positions. what Marxist positions are you talking about? you think everyone to the left of Attila the Hun is a Marxist.
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Posted by SMAZ* on Tue Apr 30 01:34:52 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by daNd124 on Tue Apr 30 01:05:01 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d you think everyone to the left of Attila the Hun is a Marxist. he also thinks that anyone just to the right of Attila the Hun is a Leninist.
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Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control)
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Apr 30 03:20:24 2013, in response to Washington State goes after allegedly "sexist" words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 29 00:07:30 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d You can't teach an old dog new tricks. I'm going to continue to speak and write in the manner that I was taught. I don't have time for such nonsense. Even at work, whenever I get "taken to task" for writing certain words, I still stand by my convictions. I once had someone tell me I have to change the word "project" and use the word "development" instead as "project" could be concieved as (get this...) "racist". Of course, me being logical by nature, duly pointed out that the buildings were called projects when they were exclusively filled with Irish, Jewish, and Italian families who didn't seem to mind the word... I didn't change the terminology BTW...
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Posted by dand124* on Wed May 1 18:26:04 2013, in response to Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Apr 30 00:50:56 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d lol
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Posted by TonyG* on Wed May 1 20:29:54 2013, in response to Washington State goes after allegedly "sexist" words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 29 00:07:30 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d This seems like a complete waste of taxpayer money for absolutely no purpose.
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Re: Washington State goes after allegedly ''sexist'' words (language control)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed May 1 20:51:27 2013, in response to Washington State goes after allegedly "sexist" words (language control), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 29 00:07:30 2013.* fiogf49gjkf0d Are they going to replace human with huperson?
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