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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 19 18:10:55 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 19 15:42:47 2012. Our defense budget is bigger than the total governmental budgets of all but the next 8 countries on Earth.List of government budgets by country The DoD budget doesn't even include the foreign military aid appropriations found in the Dept of State's budget, the Coast Guard's found in DHS's, the budgets of the intelligence community, the nuclear part that is part of DoE's, veteran's health care, the GI Bill and and other such benefits that are part of the VA budget and other appropriations linked to the military budget that are dispersed throughout several depts and agencies. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 19 19:23:32 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by rkba on Wed Dec 19 15:38:37 2012. Because they are the reason for this need in the first place. Most people do not need guns. Hunting is a hobby, it requires a license that's kinda costly. Where is the problem with requiring a license for ammunition? We all pay for police protection for all. Crime is down. Aside from those in significantly rural areas that need guns for protection from wildlife, nobody needs a gun anymore. |
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Posted by rkba on Wed Dec 19 19:25:22 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 19 19:23:32 2012. Need is irrelevant. The existence of a right is all one needs to exercise it.Once again, cut the blind hate for guns, wake up, and solve some real issues in America. |
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Posted by rkba on Wed Dec 19 19:27:11 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 19 19:23:32 2012. Oh yeah, all those people Germany disarmed before WWII were told the same thing. They didn't "need" guns. The difference between us and them being that freedom has always been an integral part of our culture.In other countries, not so much. |
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Posted by FWT9000 on Wed Dec 19 19:42:28 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by SMAZ on Tue Dec 18 17:37:32 2012. I guess they are going to want video games banned nexthttp://www.businessinsider.com/adam-lanza-played-call-of-duty-2012-12 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 19 19:56:18 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by FWT9000 on Wed Dec 19 19:42:28 2012. They'll have to pry Duke Nukem out of my cold, dead fingers! :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 19 19:56:52 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by rkba on Wed Dec 19 19:25:22 2012. Just because one has the right to do something doesn't mean it's well advised or the right thing to do. I have no problem with legitimate hunters, who generally are incredibly responsible with their weapons and keep them locked up unloaded outside of hunting trips. I have no problem with rural homeowners that need a gun to separate the bear from the baby.However, there's too many incompetents that think a gun is somehow going to protect them from crime that's way too unlikely to happen. They are the ones that end up burying their kid when one shoots their sibling or friend when they find and start playing with the gun. Happens every freekin day in the US. One can imagine the carnage these idiots would create if they were carrying out in public places. I want no part of it. BTW neither does the NRA. These massacres are making them look bad. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Dec 19 19:57:10 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 19 14:10:25 2012. OBAMA CAN"T RUN FOR A THIRD TERM!!! Been that way since 1950. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 19 19:58:00 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by 3-9 on Wed Dec 19 00:35:13 2012. While I consider licensing for possession and ownership of a simple firearm to be unconstitutional, until a time when licensing laws are struck down, any such fees should be no more than the what is necessary to cover the expenses for the issuing bureaucracy.The power to tax is the power to destroy. Constitutional rights cannot be destroyed by government or anyone else by neither direct legislation nor by indirect means. The Government has the authority to increase cigarette taxes in order to discourage the otherwise legal activity of smoking. The Government has to power to increase fuel taxes beyond what is necessary to construct and maintain transportation infrastructure if its goal is to encourage conservation and energy independence. The Government DOES NOT have the power to tax the exercise of an individual's constitutional rights. Excessive fees on gun registration or licencing would be akin to poll taxes for voting or the notorious Stamp Act of 1765. |
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Posted by rkba on Wed Dec 19 20:14:10 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 19 19:56:52 2012. Hunting has nothing to do with the right to bear arms. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 19 20:41:45 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by rkba on Wed Dec 19 20:14:10 2012. For most, hunting involves a gun. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 19 20:44:30 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 19 17:02:45 2012. How? The whole point here is look, you're out manned and outgunned. Plus these guys know what they're doing. Most gun owners do not. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 19 20:48:29 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 19 17:04:18 2012. That's not how the government would see it. They could very readily level every gun owner's home without flinching if dystopian delusion was to become real.
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Posted by rkba on Wed Dec 19 20:55:10 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 19 20:41:45 2012. Put down the Ring Dings and research the origins of 2A. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 19 20:59:34 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 19 15:09:36 2012. Sure it will ... it'll get their attention and then ... You *WERE* here. Dumbasses. :( |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 19 21:00:58 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 19 17:59:05 2012. The NRA is full of RW types that keep cutting law enforcement budgets. Then they wail about laws that areunenforced. Can't have it both ways.Both the Legion and AARP support expanding the budgets of those they represent. Never heard the NRA talk about expanding enforcement budgets. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 19 21:05:34 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 19 17:26:34 2012. Wrong. If anyone is carrying a gun in public they are a threat. Even the NYPD proved that recently.Anyone carrying a gun without reason is a threat to the general public. |
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Posted by rkba on Wed Dec 19 22:12:20 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 19 21:05:34 2012. Were you always so paranoid? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Dec 19 22:15:56 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by rkba on Wed Dec 19 22:12:20 2012. She's not paranoid, but you are an idiot. |
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Posted by rkba on Wed Dec 19 22:43:58 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Dec 19 22:15:56 2012. WADLWhy does she think all these people want to hurt her? Sounds quite paranoid to me. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Dec 19 22:48:02 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by italianstallion on Wed Dec 19 17:43:59 2012. That wouldn't be an option had you and smaz armed all the kids to make them safer. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Dec 20 06:56:30 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 19 19:58:00 2012. Constitutional rights cannot be destroyed by government or anyone else by neither direct legislation nor by indirect means.In theory they can, through Constitutional amendments. Thankfully, the bar for passing them is very high. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 20 08:09:54 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 19 19:58:00 2012. Excessive fees on gun registration or licencing would be akin to poll taxes for voting or the notorious Stamp Act of 1765.Agreed. I'm sure Scalia would look askance at $1000 per handgun registration. I doubt he'd blink at $100. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Dec 20 08:13:28 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by AlM on Thu Dec 20 08:09:54 2012. Driver license renewals are inching up to that $100 figure. That's no hardship. The majority of people drive. A minority want guns. They should cover the cost of their regulation and enforcement,if even in just a token sense. Maybe it'll dissuade some from bothering.Gun violence will go down as there are fewer guns around to be violent with. |
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Posted by rkba on Thu Dec 20 10:42:03 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by bingbong on Thu Dec 20 08:13:28 2012. ... and other forms of violence will become more common to make up the difference. The only issue with your argument is that owning a gun is a right, having a drivers license isn't. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Dec 20 12:17:01 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by rkba on Thu Dec 20 10:42:03 2012. I'm a taxpayer, and taxes are used to provide roads. I own a car. (100(ish) years ago that's all you needed.) As someone who pays for roads, I have a right to use them. The reason for licenses is to ensure safe operators are on the public roads to ensure public safety. The same reasoning is behind licensing, registration however you phrase it,for gun owners. Education and proven competency are just as required if you're shooting a gun as you cannot ensure the bullet won't leave your property (with rare exception) where it becomes a public safety hazard. If you leave your home with a gun and travel on the public roads, you are a public safety hazard. Guns are dangerous, nothing changes that. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Dec 20 15:29:10 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by bingbong on Thu Dec 20 12:17:01 2012. As someone who pays for roads, I have a right to use them.You have no such right because no such right exists. The Government can mandate alternate day driving or ban driving for all but certain personnel like the military, first responders and postal workers. They can ban certain kinds of polluting vehicles from the roadways. They can ration fuel and/or overtax it for private individuals. The Government can also ban the manufacture and importation of new passenger vehicles for individual use as was done during WW2. The taxes you pay for roads under the National Interstate and Defense Highway Act of 1956 are for national security purposes and not for your non-existent "right to drive". |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Dec 20 15:59:46 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by SMAZ on Thu Dec 20 15:29:10 2012. Meanwhile, the point of the 2nd amendment was to provide recruits for a militia (whose primary purpose was the capture of escaped slaves) and/or draft a military without the expense of maintaining one (which the new country could both ill-afford nor had the taste for after English army occupation, at the expense of draftees It was not to ensure private citizens could assemble personal armories. There's plenty of documentation to that. It was about getting slave holding states to sign on. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Dec 21 11:24:41 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by rkba on Wed Dec 19 22:43:58 2012. It's simple. She never takes fools easily. I know her personally. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 21 16:55:26 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Dec 21 11:24:41 2012. And she enjoys toying with them. :) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Dec 30 01:50:34 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 18 16:18:39 2012. Yet you'd tolerate an accident, i.e. your kid shooting someone while playing with the gun they found on the nightstand.There are a lot of things that I don't like but that I however tolerate as the price of living in a free and democratic society. The inevitability of an otherwise statistically insignificant number of gun accidents is one of them. The existence of a morally insignificant figure like Fred Phelps is another. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 30 02:01:56 2012, in response to Re: You Can't Prevent The Next Sandy Hook Incident, posted by SMAZ on Sun Dec 30 01:50:34 2012. 2nd amendment vs. 1st. Both equal. Hmmm. :) |
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