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650th post in this thread! WOOT |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Jan 8 15:44:40 2005, in response to Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 20 15:48:20 2004. :) lol |
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Re: Origins of the Secular Christmas Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas |
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Posted by monorail on Sat Jan 8 16:15:33 2005, in response to Re: Origins of the Secular Christmas Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Jan 8 15:24:08 2005. do they celebrate this fact every hanukah? |
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Re: Origins of the Secular Christmas Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 8 16:59:14 2005, in response to Re: Origins of the Secular Christmas Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Sat Jan 8 15:24:08 2005. The Christian Old Testament is basically the Jewish Bible (in different translation), the same prostitutes are in the Jewish Bible.If you want them to celebrate this is Christmas, why don't they celebrate it on some Jewish Holiday too? |
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Re: Origins of the Secular Christmas Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 8 17:01:46 2005, in response to Re: Origins of the Secular Christmas Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by monorail on Fri Jan 7 23:07:28 2005. Exactly. And it sounds just as ridiculous as saying that lights are religious and have to do with God. |
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Re: Origins of the Secular Christmas Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Sat Jan 8 23:15:14 2005, in response to Re: Origins of the Secular Christmas Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by BIE on Fri Jan 7 22:03:14 2005. I guess you didn't read the posts before that one that I responded to.Someone said that there was no mention to lights in the bible and therfore it is a secular thing. I was just showing how lights are not always secular. And the original start to them wasn't. -James |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Sat Jan 8 23:18:16 2005, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by willD on Tue Jan 4 21:20:19 2005. Would you say the same for a menorah? |
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Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sat Jan 8 23:49:35 2005, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by R143 on Wed Jan 5 14:05:47 2005. Why is this a notion that I, a Jew, need to "understand"? The concept of a Trinity is and has always been anathema to Judaism. Judaism sees it as polytheism.You don't. Fine! Believe what you wish. But please don't try to tell me that your beliefs, which are in direct contradiction to Jewish theology, are derived from Judaism! |
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Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists |
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Posted by American Pig on Sun Jan 9 00:46:01 2005, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by Broadway Buffer on Sat Jan 8 23:18:16 2005. Yes. |
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Re: Origins of the Secular Christmas Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Jan 10 03:47:16 2005, in response to Re: Origins of the Secular Christmas Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Broadway Buffer on Sat Jan 8 23:15:14 2005. It is human to have a Festival of Lights, religious or no, in the gloomy part of the year (winter, or monsoon, perhaps). |
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Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists |
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Posted by Fytton on Mon Jan 10 05:48:39 2005, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Dec 25 19:08:21 2004. "Shall Christians light Menorahs in their homes?"In the UK in recent years quite a lot of non-Jews have taken to putting menorahs in their windows during the mid-winter season - they seem to regard them as part of the range of possible decorations that one may put up at this time. I haven't seen any adverse comment on this practice from Jews. But then as a non-Jew I don't read the Jewish Chronicle. |
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Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists |
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Posted by Fytton on Mon Jan 10 06:17:47 2005, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by Rail Blue on Tue Dec 28 23:33:05 2004. Pig: "Religious governments are great,...Rail Blue: "And in the civilised world, modern Britain..." In the most nominal sense imaginable; official discrimination against Catholics, Jews, non-conformist protestants, and non-believers in the UK lies, fortunately, in the distant past; Hindus, Sikhs and Muslims also live, work, worship and vote here without let or hindrance, although admittedly since 9/11 there has been quite a lot more unofficial prejudice agains Muslims. The proportion of the population who are even minimally practising Anglicans (in the sense of taking communion on Easter Day) is probably under ten percent of the population, and overall the British population is possibly the least religious in the Westen world. So the monarch has to be Anglican; who cares? Not so clear about the Prime Minister; Harold Wilson was a Methodist and nobody minded; Tony Blair is a Catholic in all but name (his wife and children are officially so), and maybe he hasn't formally converted because of some lingering doubts about the legality of a Catholic PM. Where the UK seems to score over the USA is in general commonsense and reasonableness about religious words and symbols in public. My Muslim graduate students sent me Christmas cards; I wished *them* happy holidays in return. Leicester and Loughborough put up their municipal decorations in time for Diwali and leave them up to celebrate Christmas too. As a religious humanist, agnostic about God, I happily both send and receive Christmas cards, choosing to send designs that emphasize the message of peace and goodwill - both commodities that seem to be in short supply in the USA at the moment. |
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Re: Origins of the Secular Christmas Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Tue Jan 11 20:28:16 2005, in response to Re: Origins of the Secular Christmas Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Mon Jan 10 03:47:16 2005. I know, but it does have a religious connection to those who choose to recognize it. And as you said, it's a at a great time during this gloomy part of the year.-James |
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Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas |
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Posted by Dand124 on Tue Oct 26 17:52:54 2010, in response to Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 20 15:48:20 2004. it's late October how long before we start hearing about the made up "war on Christmas" again? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 26 19:39:23 2010, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Rail Blue on Tue Dec 28 22:45:36 2004. Good post. Not sure why I didn't respond the first time. Anyway, I'm not atheist, but I'm close. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 26 20:08:29 2010, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Dec 21 23:55:50 2004. I want to add something to your argument about different deities after all these years (and yes, I've reread the thread): I agree with you 100% that the two understandings of God are completely incompatible and that only one or the other can possibly be true. Of course, neither could be true but there is no way that BOTH could simultaneously be true.Since logically there can only be one creator, it logically follows that only one religion or the other worships the correct one. Again, neither one could have the correct answer, but not both. The Christians can and should feel free to dismiss Judaism as wrong, while the Jews can and should feel free to dismiss Christianity as wrong. If a Jew accepts the Christian God as correct, he cannot possibly be a faithful believer in the Jewish God. The reverse is also true. |
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Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Oct 26 20:11:30 2010, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 26 20:08:29 2010. It is XXXmas. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Tue Oct 26 20:15:18 2010, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by willD on Tue Dec 21 15:56:46 2004. The founders also intended that anyone with skin darker than Tiger Woods would be considered 3/5ths of a humanThat's not true why doesn't anyone understand what the 3/5 compromise really was. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Oct 26 20:17:10 2010, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 26 20:08:29 2010. "Since logically there can only be one creator, it logically follows that only one religion or the other worships the correct one."What if the creator created several religions that were allowed to have different ideas about him? |
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Posted by Dand124 on Tue Oct 26 20:25:25 2010, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by American Pig on Fri Dec 24 19:35:08 2004. We should move the new year to September 1 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 26 20:48:08 2010, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by italianstallion on Tue Oct 26 20:17:10 2010. Or more likely given all the different religions calling themselves "Christians" they're all talking about the same God, only adjusted to fit their individual dogmas ... I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the talking walnut in Salt Lick City, but I think they started with the same one the others did. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 26 22:19:04 2010, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by italianstallion on Tue Oct 26 20:17:10 2010. But these religions don't teach that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 26 22:20:22 2010, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Dand124 on Tue Oct 26 20:15:18 2010. I do. The 3/5ths compromise was bad because it treated slaves as 3/5ths of a person. It should have not treated slaves as people at all. |
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Another Intelligent From Olog!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by dand124 on Tue Sep 13 20:08:02 2011, in response to Re: No, It's the Stalinists??, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 25 21:53:08 2004. be bad they're all from 2004 |
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Another Intelligent From Olog!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by dand124 on Tue Sep 13 20:08:13 2011, in response to Re: No, It's the Stalinists??, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 25 21:53:08 2004. to bad they're all from 2004 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 13 20:09:24 2011, in response to Another Intelligent From Olog!!!!!!!!!!!!, posted by dand124 on Tue Sep 13 20:08:13 2011. Too bad your mind is stuck in 2004. |
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Posted by dand124 on Tue Sep 13 20:11:55 2011, in response to Re: No, it's the Stalinists, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 13 20:09:24 2011. better than being stuck in 1404 like yours is. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 13 20:15:05 2011, in response to Re: No, it's the Stalinists, posted by dand124 on Tue Sep 13 20:11:55 2011. So you admit that your mind is stuck seven years in the past? |
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Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas |
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Posted by danD124 on Fri Dec 9 20:35:39 2011, in response to Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 20 15:48:20 2004. seven years later and idiots are still whining about this stuff when will it stop? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Dec 9 20:44:11 2011, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by danD124 on Fri Dec 9 20:35:39 2011. I guess you lost the argument so you resort to name calling.There's clearly an effort to replace the word Christmas with "Holdiay" or "The Holidays", all in the name of political correctness. It's fine if a business or politician says, "Season's Greetings", but it's obvious that people are going out of their way to avoid saying "Christmas" because their political beliefs tell them to. |
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