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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 12 02:21:03 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Dec 12 02:17:08 2012. Italians got it right.They say "Salute" which means "Health". |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 12 02:54:34 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 12 02:21:03 2012. That's why I brought it up.10 or 15 years from now, I can see "God bless you" being added to sensitivity training manuals as something not to say at work or in school. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Dec 12 03:11:22 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 12 02:21:03 2012. That's what Gesundheit means in German. I just can't imagine saying "Health" to anyone after they sneeze. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 12 04:40:58 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 12 02:54:34 2012. 10 or 15 years from now, I can see "God bless you" being added to sensitivity training manuals as something not to say at work or in school.No it wouldn't because there is no English-language expression that works as a substitute if one wishes the best to a sneezing person. Foreign-language words like "Gesundheit" or "Salute" don't work. most people say "Blessya" anyway. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 12 04:44:50 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by WillD on Wed Dec 12 03:11:22 2012. It would sound stupid in English.It works for Germans and Italians because that's what they've always said to a sneezer. It's all about custom. "God Bless you" is American custom whether one believes in God or not, just like "Oh My God!!", "Goddammit" or "Holy Shit!!". |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 12 08:08:56 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 11 19:58:47 2012. If atheists want to be treated better, they need to cease being such douchebags, at least the kind that get offended whenever someone puts a Nativity out, or a cross, or anything else remotely religious on government property. They also need to accept that they have their own fundamentalist movement which tolerates absolutely no dissenting viewpoint.Double standard on your part. Atheists in general are no more responsible for the actions of their vocal members than blacks in general are responsible for Al Sharpton or Republicans in general are responsible for Akin and Mourdock. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 12 08:11:27 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 02:04:48 2012. If you really believe in "live and let live," then you would never broach the topic and you would never hear another atheist talk about their beliefs ever again.Hmm. That may explain why I have almost never heard anyone expound on their atheistic beliefs. But I sure have heard lots of people expound on their Christian beliefs without any invitation on my part. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 12 08:13:05 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 02:12:26 2012. And I oppose nativity scenes and crosses on public property as an American sworn to defend the Constitution, not as someone offended by such displays in general.I'm curious. When did you swear (or even affirm) to defend the Constitution? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 12 08:26:58 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 12 08:13:05 2012. It's every American's duty to defend our Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.Spider-Pig is part of the Unorganized Militia and depending on your age, you may still be too. A formal oath is not required. You may also recall your own pledging allegiance to the our Flag and to the Republic for which it stands. Multiple times. Unless you abjured that Pledge, you are still bound by it. Those are more than just words. They are backed up by individual and collective actions by American patriots from all walks of life every day. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 12 08:50:26 2012, in response to Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Mon Dec 10 23:02:05 2012. The God GlutBy FRANK BRUNI - NYT Bob Kerrey’s political career spanned four years as the governor of Nebraska and another 12 as a United States senator from that state, during which he made a serious bid for the Democratic presidential nomination. In all that time, to the best of his memory, he never uttered what has become a routine postscript to political remarks: “God bless America.” That was deliberate. “It seems a little presumptuous, when you’ve got the land mass and the talent that we do, to ask for more,” he told me recently. But there was an additional reason he didn’t mention God, so commonly praised in the halls of government, so prevalent a fixture in public discourse. “I think you have to be very, very careful about keeping religion and politics separate,” Kerrey said. We Americans aren’t careful at all. In a country that supposedly draws a line between church and state, we allow the former to intrude flagrantly on the latter. Religious faith shapes policy debates. It fuels claims of American exceptionalism. And it suffuses arenas in which its place should be carefully measured. A recent example of this prompted my conversation with Kerrey. Last week, a fourth-year cadet at West Point packed his bags and left, less than six months shy of graduation, in protest of what he portrayed as a bullying, discriminatory religiousness at the military academy, which receives public funding. The cadet, Blake Page, detailed his complaint in an article for The Huffington Post, accusing officers at the academy of “unconstitutional proselytism,” specifically of an evangelical Christian variety. On the phone on Sunday, he explained to me that a few of them urged attendance at religious events in ways that could make a cadet worry about the social and professional consequences of not going. One such event was a prayer breakfast this year at which a retired lieutenant general, William G. Boykin, was slated to speak. Boykin is a born-again Christian, and his past remarks portraying the war on terror in holy and biblical terms were so extreme that he was rebuked in 2003 by President Bush. In fact his scheduled speech at West Point was so vigorously protested that it ultimately had to be canceled. Page said that on other occasions, religious events were promoted by superiors with the kind of mass e-mails seldom used for secular gatherings. “It was always Christian, Christian, Christian,” said Page, who is an atheist. Mikey Weinstein, an Air Force Academy graduate who presides over an advocacy group called the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, told me that more than 30,000 members of the United States military have been in contact with his organization because of concerns about zealotry in their ranks. More than 150 of them, he said, work or study at West Point. Several cadets told me in telephone interviews that nonbelievers at the academy can indeed be made to feel uncomfortable, and that benedictions at supposedly nonreligious events refer to “God, Our Father” in a way that certainly doesn’t respect all faiths. Is the rest of society so different? Every year around this time, many conservatives rail against the “war on Christmas,” using a few dismantled nativities to suggest that America muffles worship. Hardly. We have God on our dollars, God in our pledge of allegiance, God in our Congress. Last year, the House took the time to vote, 396 to 9, in favor of a resolution affirming “In God We Trust” as our national motto. How utterly needless, unless I missed some insurrectionist initiative to have that motto changed to “Buck Up, Beelzebub” or “Surrender Dorothy.” We have God in our public schools, a few of which cling to creationism, and we have major presidential candidates — Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum — who use God in general and Christianity in particular as cornerstones of their campaigns. God’s initial absence from the Democratic Party platform last summer stirred more outrage among Americans than the slaughter in Syria will ever provoke. God’s wishes are cited in efforts to deny abortions to raped women and civil marriages to same-sex couples. In our country God doesn’t merely have a place at the table. He or She is the host of the prayer-heavy dinner party. And there’s too little acknowledgment that God isn’t just a potent engine of altruism, mercy and solace, but also, in instances, a divisive, repressive instrument; that godliness isn’t any prerequisite for patriotism; and that someone like Page deserves as much respect as any true believer. Kerrey labels himself agnostic, but said that an active politician could get away with that only if he or she didn’t “engage in a conversation about the danger of religion” or advertise any spiritual qualms and questions. “If you talk openly about your doubts,” he said, “you can get in trouble.” To me that doesn’t sound like religious freedom at all. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 12 09:04:12 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 12 08:26:58 2012. All true and not responsive to my question. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 13:29:09 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 12 08:26:58 2012. No, that's not it. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 13:38:17 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 11 20:50:30 2012. Beliefs and faith, where applicable, have nothing to do with dogma.False disassociation, as far as I can tell. If you believe something, there is a content to what is believed, and that is dogma. Atheism therefore carries the dogma that there is no God. If you are mistakenly taking dogma to be a direct moral command, atheism's would at least include having its adherents avoid any dependency on any sort of conceived divinity, which, if atheism was forced on people, would be found my many if not most to be quite imposing. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 13:43:16 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 12 08:11:27 2012. That's because Christians considers it a mission to spread the news that they have received, but as an act of charity, believing that those who hear it, and if they go so far, act on it, would be all the better for it."Live and let live" may be a good way of living for small things (my favorite color is red and yours is blue, for example) but if someone really believes that they have the "truth" or the "best" and they care sufficiently about other people, they will consider spreading what they have to others. Granted, many do this poorly and in ways that do not make the message appealing. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 12 13:44:16 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 12 04:44:50 2012. True. Shit isn't exactly holy. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 13:44:45 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 02:12:26 2012. What part of the Constitution are we talking about? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 12 13:46:18 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 12 02:19:01 2012. It takes one to even think of bringing it up. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Wed Dec 12 13:49:50 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 13:43:16 2012. And I have the right not to hear their BULLSHIT LIES. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Wed Dec 12 13:50:50 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 13:44:45 2012. The establishnment Clause, FREAK-O. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 13:55:27 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 13:44:45 2012. The whole Constitution as it is validly enacted, but in this case specifically the Establishment clause.I know somebody's already responded with the same information, but I felt you needed a more polite response. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 13:58:28 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by SMAZ on Wed Dec 12 02:19:01 2012. It's like the now obsolete but still used well into the Christian era expression "By Jove." |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 12 14:01:36 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by AlM on Wed Dec 12 08:08:56 2012. We differ on the Akin & Mourdock thing. These two ran in the name of and took the money from that party. Nobody censured them one iota for it. That is tacit to endorsement, agreement with what they said. Do not give them a pass. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 12 14:14:25 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 13:29:09 2012. OK, I'm still curious. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 12 14:24:43 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 13:38:17 2012. Wrong. Dogma is the rules that too often come attached through culturally defined interpretations of wisdom believed to have been conveyed by a deity. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 14:39:24 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 02:12:26 2012. The only constitution you've sworn to defend is the USSR's constitution, because you've got no respect for the free exercise clause, evidenced by this misanthropic post. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 14:40:19 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by RockParkMan on Wed Dec 12 13:50:50 2012. More lies out of you, rocKKKparKKKnazi! Where did Congress legislate on any of this?? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 14:41:37 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 13:38:17 2012. pwn3d. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 14:41:42 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by bingbong on Wed Dec 12 14:24:43 2012. You may want to check the dictionary definition.Anyway, if you want to talk about the rules, they tend to be based on the beliefs. If you believe something, really really believe something, even that there is no God, your behavior will be affected by that. Perhaps it would be appropriate to say that a religion is best judged if its dogma is appropriately interwoven with its beliefs. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 14:42:50 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by RockParkMan on Wed Dec 12 13:49:50 2012. Attacking Christians is supporting Islamic terrorism, rocKKKparKKKnazi. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 14:43:51 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by RockParkMan on Wed Dec 12 13:49:50 2012. A law enforcing silence would be required in order for that right to be guaranteed. That would officially be the end of the freedom to practice one's religion, considering how many religions there are with missionary aspects. You have the right not to follow up and act on what you hear. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 14:49:55 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 14:43:51 2012. He doesn't understand the free exercise clause. He wants things to be like the USSR's constitution:Note that only religious worship is permitted—not the "free exercise" like under the USA's First Amendment, which includes preaching and teaching, and that all religious schools are banned. Atheists are free to spread their propaganda, though, and are given special status under those constitutional articles. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 14:50:06 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 13:55:27 2012. Appreciated.The Establishment Clause holds that there can be no official state religion and that one religion is not to be favored over another. To say that public property is unavailable to those who would like to use it for religious purposes violates neither of these. A violation would be if only a particular religion had that ability. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 14:52:55 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 02:12:26 2012. No I am not. One claims there is no god. The other claims that we simply do not know and care not to know. Agnostic theism is a contradictory term. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 14:53:30 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 14:50:06 2012. To say that public property is unavailable to those who would like to use it for religious purposes violates neither of theseNo, that's not true. That does violate the Free Exercise clause. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 14:55:18 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 14:52:55 2012. The other claims that we simply do not know and care not to knowNo, I don't think that is what agnosticism consists of, because if there is and the knowledge thereof is manifested before all human senses, then an agnostic merely ceases to be due to possessing knowledge that is unavoidable. It's not like standing in the middle of the highway and saying "I don't know if there really are cars and trucks here" when there actually are. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 14:55:39 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 14:53:30 2012. Please show me. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 14:55:45 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 14:50:06 2012. Correct. This is the proper application of the 1st Amendment. Too many believe that a strict separation of church and state is, which it is not. There is no applicable statute which calls for such a strict separation. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 14:57:27 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 14:55:18 2012. I think it's just that they don't believe they can know and so they don't bother. Doesn't mean they wouldn't like to know. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 14:58:55 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 14:55:45 2012. If they were so separated, the state couldn't boss the church around.And there's the old saying that we have freedom of religion here, not freedom from it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 14:58:56 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 14:55:18 2012. What you are describing isn't doubt about existence, but doubt about how God manifests itself.I've always said this is the best description of my personal view of the role of God I've ever seen in a fictional setting: The only difference is that he believes in God because he's experienced Him. I believe in God because a Godless universe is too scary for me to live within. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 14:59:29 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 14:55:39 2012. You made the statement, so you do have burden of proof. Banning public buildings to people that wish to use them for religious purposes (i.e. beyond turning them into a political-religious animal) cannot be anything else but prohibiting "the free exercise thereof". The Establishment Clause only prohibits Congress from setting up a state religion like the ones that exist over in many European states. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 15:02:44 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 14:59:29 2012. I think you misunderstood me then. I was arguing that the Constitution allows for use of public space for religious purposes. Seems we're on the same page here, no? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 12 15:08:32 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 11 19:58:47 2012. To dent the existence of Him..is to deny Your existence. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 15:10:30 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 14:43:51 2012. That law would be unconstitutional (a law requiring proselytizers to shut up). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 15:11:12 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 14:49:55 2012. Yawn. No one cares. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 15:13:50 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 14:50:06 2012. That is the problem with a public nativity scene. It is a favoring over one religion. If the state decided to have an art fair on public property, wherein anyone could participate, and religious art was included among the entries, that would be OK. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 15:14:55 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 14:58:55 2012. That old saying is bull. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 15:15:28 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 14:55:45 2012. It is tantamount to a "strict separation." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 15:16:56 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 14:39:24 2012. LOL!This is your funniest post yet! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 15:22:48 2012, in response to Re: Atheists, Humanists Suffer Persecution, Discrimination All Over the World, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 14:52:55 2012. No, it is not.An agnostic atheist claims that there is no way to prove that there is a god, but that it is unreasonable to believe in an unproved assertion with no rational basis. A gnostic theist believes that there is absolutely no god. Not even Dawkins is a gnostic atheist. An agnostic theist believes that there is no way to prove that there is a god, but believes in god nonetheless. Both kinds of agnostics distinguish between belief and knowledge. |
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