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Posted by
Olog-hai
on Sat Sep 10 16:39:04 2011, in response to Re: Subtalk politics: at a glance, posted by dand124 on Sat Sep 10 16:20:41 2011.
edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d what does socialism have to do with welfare?
The welfare state was originally called the "Social state", and that's socialism. I see your knowledge of the world around you is sadly limited, especially when it comes to the existence of the USSR's very pervasive welfare system (universal healthcare, universal state education, a common income level, collectivization of everything, ad nauseam).
Just to reiterate, here are the "ten planks" from the Communist Manifesto.- Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
- A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
- Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
- Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
- Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
- Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
- Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of wastelands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
- Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
- Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
- Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, &c, &c.
Your sole definition of a "welfare state" is to have people that can work sit home idle; but it's not the sole definition at all. What the USA's welfare state shared with the USSR's welfare state is the destruction of the family, but since you appear to have no religious perspective, you probably aren't even aware of the importance of the family.
are you claiming the USSR wasn't communist?
Are you claiming that they lived up to absolutely everything they put in writing? On top of that, are you claiming that they had a state religion??
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