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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 03:30:03 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by The Silence on Thu Jul 28 02:55:31 2011. In it's most basic form, the exact words written on that document, the first amendment clauses that deal with religon only forbids congress from outlawing a religion or selecting a national religion. Everything else is just an interpritation that someone made up, and those can change on a moment's notice. In the past 50 years SCOTUS has changed it's mind 4 times on how to interprite those lines.It's not 1865 anymore. The 14th Amendment incorporates the provisions against state and local government. As for selecting a national religion, that is what they are doing by placing the symbol of a specific religion in a prominent position in the monument to a NATIONAL tragedy. There is nothing there that forbids a popular symbol for hope from tragidy from being displayed in a museum run by a private orgization. Except this is not a private organization. The WTC site is owned by the government (the Port Authority). This is why the cross should continue to be displayed at St. Peter's Church, a private organization (or at least one not part of the government of the United States or of any state). You don't remember those days? just after the towers fell? The fear, the panic and the worry? That cross made people feel better. Did it do that because it was shaped like a cross? adimitly yes, but that's not the point. The point is, it helped to heal. And that's all that matters. That's the problem. You believe that a cross heals. It doesn't. It may heal some, that's why it should be in the possession and display of a private organization and not of the government which is supposed to represent all people. We could argue laws and opinions till we're blue in the face and the bones of our fingers are dust from typing. But that cross helped millions of people, who'd just had thier world shattered, to get back to thier lives. It deseres a place of honor, not as a symbol of a religon, but as a symbol for what it did for people. Nothing will stop it from being a symbol of religion though. As you've admitted, it was only not melted down for scrap because of its shape. Nobody would have seen it and been healed by it if some workers had not noticed the religious implications. That having been said, it was right that it was saved, just wrong that it was not immediately and permanently given to a private organization or house of worship. Maybe you need to think about this from someone else's perspective. I could say the same about you and others. I have a relaitve who was an FDNY fireman. He was lucky enough to have had 9/11 off, but he lost a lot of friends. Heck, he lost half his firehouse. He was an emotial trainwreck for months, and he's still not exactly the person he used to be, and probibly never will be. That's sad. That's all I can say about that, no argument. To simply stand there and raise a high holy stink about the cross is as ingorant and petty as the kind of behavior people like you mock the religous about. I don't mock the religious, except in retaliation to mocking. |
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