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Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives.

Posted by JayMan on Wed Mar 16 12:58:20 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Mar 16 09:51:17 2011.

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I think you are misunderstanding the concept behind what I am saying. I never said that violence wasn't in an animal's "rational" self-interest. It usually is; otherwise it would never have evolved. But this doesn't make aggression moral or justifiable (anymore than the human equivalent would be). So examples like this represent a false dichotomy you are setting up:

except for smarter animals like Chimps & Dolphins, there hasn't been any research that suggests that animals kill for non-survival reasons.

There is plenty of evidence, as I've pointed out. But that's besides the point. The tendency towards aggression -- which includes killing for the sheer joy of it -- evolved because it was usually advantageous to the organism to be violent. Selfish aggression (and selfish behavior in general) evolved long before any concept of morality developed, which was a product of social species living in larger and more complex groups -- rules of how to treat one another developed gradually and very piecemeal. Both were products of the very amoral process of natural selection. The only reason humans have a moral sense is that we do better than we would have if we were blithely ravaging one another.

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