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Re: New York is doomed - more proof

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 11 07:17:17 2006, in response to Re: New York is doomed - more proof, posted by David of Broadway on Mon Dec 11 01:28:15 2006.

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large majority of LIRR riders are residents of Nassau and Suffolk.


I never said anything to the contrary. All I was responding to was a statement that said "Long Islanders are not New Yorkers?" and an incorrect response that said "No they're not, they don't live in New York City". In fact, a MAJOR percentage of Long Island's population, DOES live in New York City.

Poster 1: "I never understood why people think New Yorkers are rude until I saw Penn Station in the PM rush. Only one problem: those aren't New Yorkers." (Blanket statement translation, "those (all of those people) aren't New Yorkers").

Poster 2: "Long Oylanders aren't New Yawkers?" (many are, the entire population of Brooklyn and Queens are Long Islanders. There is no talk about LIRR riders, this is a straight out "Long Islanders (whether they ride the LIRR or not are not) New Yorkers?"

Poster 1: "No, they're not. They don't live in New York City." (clearly false, as again, many Long Islanders do live in New York City....this is not talking about LIers that happen to use the LIRR).

Anyway, as for the LIRR Penn Station stuff...

Even if the track is posted a mere 3 minutes before departure, 3 minutes is more than enough time to get down the stairs and onto the train. There's no need to push and shove


I am certainly not going to condone the display all the time at Penn Station, I know it well, but human nature is human nature. I stand by my statement that I find it absurd that they post the track numbers at Penn Station in the manner in which they do it. I still find it absurd that they make all these people hover over stairways staring at screens until the very last minute when they finally post a track number and then the mad dash down the stairs and along the platform. You see that anyway in the subway similarly (yes that would happen in the subway too if it was not known where the next train was going to leave from until just before the train arrives on whatever track). The only difference in the subway is that everyone always knows where the train will arrive, and the "mad dash" to the seats happens for only mere seconds (don't tell me you haven't ever seen people pushing and shoving the second the doors opened on a subway train in a mad dash for the seats - it's the same thing, only in that case it's mere seconds of rudeness as opposed to minutes running down stairs and along a platform as in the case of the way the MTA handles the track revelations at Penn Station).
Again, I am certainly not condoning what happens at Penn Station, but I am also not going to say that non-NYC people are the only ones that do that, or are capable of that if they are dealt the same deck of cards to deal with everyday to get their trains. Or even say the false statement that ALL of those people aren't NYCers anyway.

And this particular train left with lots of empty seats; nobody had to stand after all!)


And if I am not mistaken, this particular train was a Far Rockaway train stopping at Woodside (maybe), Forest Hills (maybe), Kew Gardens (maybe), Jamaica, Locust Manor, Rosedale, Laurelton, Valley Stream, Gibson, Hewlett, Woodmere, Cedarhurst, Inwood, and Far Rockaway. There's an awful lot of NYC stations on that train too, you are not going to push all of that rudeness off on non-NYC people.

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