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W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th

Posted by W.B. on Sat May 6 20:55:32 2023


May 6, 2019 - The Book of Last Runs

Manhattan, New York
MTA - New York City Bus

After nearly 38 years of loyal service to the Transit Authority (and through three manufacturers - GMC, TMC and Nova Bus), the RTS (Rapid Transit Series) era in New York City officially ends with one last ride for Bus 5241 (built in 1999 by Nova Bus, but carrying a TMC nameplate) on Route M55 between 44th Street-Sixth Avenue (Avenue of the Americas) and Rector Street-Broadway. Regular service for the last remaining RTS's in MTA New York City Bus' fleet had come to an end on April 30, after reports in the New York Daily News during the month of March about how these onetime mainstays of the city's streets were disproportionately assigned to the poorest neighborhoods, especially in Brooklyn, whereas wealthier neighborhoods were allotted the newer models; as well as the desire of MTA to gravitate towards an all-electric bus fleet.

After a morning ceremony at the Michael J. Quill Bus Depot where the said bus was assigned, 5241 travelled slowly (beginning around 10:30 A.M.) along 42nd Street on its way towards Sixth Avenue, finally reaching the 44th Street northern terminus at 11:18 A.M. After the passengers (including this writer) paid their way and took their seats (the bus was healthily packed but not overly so), the bus departed at 11:21 A.M. Along the way, it skipped the 35th Street, 12th Street, 10th Street, University Place, Waverly Place, Bleecker Street, Spring Street and Thames Street stops; and at one point, a blind person had boarded the bus for several blocks, as well as some who were convinced that this was a regular M55 run and not the end of the line for this venerable model. This final journey lasted 54 minutes, finally arriving at Rector Street and Broadway at 12:15 P.M. Two minutes later it left that stop, heading towards Whitehall Street (between Stone and Bridge Streets) across from MTA headquarters at 2 Broadway, where it would settle around 12:23 P.M., next to fellow RTS bus 5249 and newer "clean energy" all-electric bus 0013. After about an hour, the two RTS's headed towards South Ferry and then travelled uptown sans passengers onto the Quill depot. (5249 will be housed alongside other "museum buses" at the Amsterdam depot.)

RTS' nearly 38 years of service surpasses the run of two other iconic sets of buses that were once major fixtures of New York City streets, the GM "New Looks" (36 years, 1959-95) and their "Old Look" predecessors (32 years, 1941-73).

(Sources include: "MTA NYC Transit Retires Last of 1980s-Era Buses as Modernization of Fleet Continues, Providing Customers with Better, More Reliable Service," MTA press release, May 6, 2019; "MTA Retires Last of Its Old, Diesel Burning Rapid Transit Series Buses" by Clayton Guse, Daily News (New York), May 6, 2019; "The Last RTS Bus in Circulation Makes Its Final Run" by Vincent Barone, AM New York, May 6, 2019; "MTA Retires Old Diesel Buses As It Moves Toward All-Electric Fleet" by Caroline Spivack, Curbed New York, May 6, 2019; "NYC Transit Says Goodbye to the 'Big Blues & Whites' " by Mischa Wanek-Libman, Mass Transit, May 8, 2019.)

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th

Posted by randyo on Sun May 7 04:50:44 2023, in response to W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th, posted by W.B. on Sat May 6 20:55:32 2023.

Couldn’t be soon enough for me. As far as I’m concerned, the RTS was the worst excuse for a motor bus that ever existed.

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th

Posted by W.B. on Sun May 7 06:55:48 2023, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th, posted by randyo on Sun May 7 04:50:44 2023.

What about the Grumman 870's - those weren't worst?

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th

Posted by gbs on Sun May 7 22:26:25 2023, in response to W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th, posted by W.B. on Sat May 6 20:55:32 2023.


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Steinway Transit, 1979:


Green Bus, 1980:


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Jamaica Bus, 1981:


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Command Bus, undated:

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th

Posted by randyo on Mon May 8 02:30:40 2023, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th, posted by W.B. on Sun May 7 06:55:48 2023.

I actually preferred them and was disappointed when the MTA opted to get rid of them because the agency didn’t know how to maintain them properly. According to info I have, the Grummans performed quite well in NJ and other placed that purchased them.

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th

Posted by Pelham Exp on Mon May 8 07:23:45 2023, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th, posted by randyo on Mon May 8 02:30:40 2023.

The Gunn/Kiley Regime were too quick to give up on them. They did perform better once they left NYC.

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6thPHOTOS

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 8 11:25:41 2023, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th, posted by gbs on Sun May 7 22:26:25 2023.

Great photo collection.

Was the #1 photo Experimental highway cruiser with the rear "Donkey wheel", and were any put into production?

The last photo, was this a propane powered bus? I ask because of the roof top addition.

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon May 8 12:32:15 2023, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th, posted by gbs on Sun May 7 22:26:25 2023.

That GM Trans Bus looks like it has an extra wide front door and is a low floor.

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th

Posted by Q4 on Mon May 8 19:21:45 2023, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th, posted by randyo on Mon May 8 02:30:40 2023.

I definitely preferred the Grumman 870. They did have problems that were corrected and they performed well for NJT and other agencies that brought the buses from NYCT. Those fixes were incorporated in the manufacture of following buses and they too performed well for MSBA and other agencies.

NYCT kept one or two buses for the purposes of their lawsuit against Grumman (IIRC they were awarded $40M).

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6thPHOTOS

Posted by Q4 on Mon May 8 19:26:44 2023, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6thPHOTOS, posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 8 11:25:41 2023.

Command Bus 4922 (last photo) was a Clean Natural Gas run bus.

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th

Posted by WayneJay on Fri May 12 18:43:33 2023, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6th, posted by randyo on Mon May 8 02:30:40 2023.

Agreed! Clearly, NYCTA maintenance practices were less than ideal in those days, and in their mind everything was the fault of Grumman. Funny how NYTransit bought 620 (of the 851 buses) and they did well for them. I hear the others (some in QCM, Cincinatti) and San Juan, PR also went on to serve many years.

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6thPHOTOS

Posted by WayneJay on Fri May 12 18:48:03 2023, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for May 6thPHOTOS, posted by Avid Reader on Mon May 8 11:25:41 2023.

The first was UMTA's TransBus demo. GM, Grumman and American Motors each provided a demo, but those specs were scrapped. The idea was that any transit agency purchasing buses with federal funding would have to have a bus with the specs of the TransBus.

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