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History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100

Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Feb 29 20:40:07 2016

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I am writing a wikipedia article on what is currently the Q69 and the Q100. I need a more detailed history. This is what I currently have.
Service on the Q19A started in 1933 being operated by Triboro Coach Corporation.

Service on the Q101R began in the 1980s, and originally the route ran non-stop between Long Island City and the Rikers Island parking lot.

In 2005, the Q19A was taken over from Triboro Coach Corporation, and the Q101R was taken over by Queens Surface Corporation.

On April 6, 2008, the Q101R was renumbered as the Q100, and on April 20, 2008, the Q19A was renumbered the Q69. Q100 limited-stop service along 21st Street began on February 1, 2009.
If anything could be added, it would help. Thanks.

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100

Posted by R30A on Mon Feb 29 20:53:47 2016, in response to History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Feb 29 20:40:07 2016.

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Q19A takeover was in 2006. Triboro was the last one to be taken over IIRC.

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100

Posted by HART BUS on Mon Feb 29 21:12:24 2016, in response to History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Feb 29 20:40:07 2016.

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The Q-101R may have started by Steinway Transit or the successor Queens Steinway Transit until the takeover by Queens Surface Then MTA bus took over.

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100

Posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 1 00:18:04 2016, in response to History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Feb 29 20:40:07 2016.

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The recent Q19A was originally 2 routes - the 19A ran from Queens Plaza on its current route but terminated at the Ditmars subway station. A separate route, the Q33A ran from Ditmars east along Ditmars to 82 Street along the remainder of the current Q69 route. So, at Ditmars there were 2 routes originating, one running west on Ditmars then to QP, and one running east to Jackson Heights. The bus stops were in the middle of the block of 31st St near the subway entrance. Not sure the exact year they combined but probably in the mid to late 50s, as by 1962 they were already combined. The original setup was more convenient for subway riders, as the bus stop was adjacent to the station, unlike now. But through bus riders not destined for the subway had to transfer buses.

In the 60s and 70s, many 19A rush hour runs from QP terminated and turned back at 31st St, to the chagrin of those going father east. This practice has mercifully ended.

My impression, as an Astoria-born guy, was that the 101R was established because regular Q101 riders on Steinway St. were upset at the large number of riders going to Rikers Island on the 101 when it served that locale. Of course, when the 101R was established, service on the 101 was cut way back, so that today it is a ghost of its former self. So, be careful what you wish for.


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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100

Posted by HART BUS on Tue Mar 1 09:37:04 2016, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100, posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 1 00:18:04 2016.

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Gee, I wonder what Gary Chatterton (sp?) says about all of this. After all his handle on one of the boards was, you guessed it, "Q 19 A "

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100

Posted by RailBus63 on Tue Mar 1 12:41:27 2016, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100, posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 1 00:18:04 2016.

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The Motor Bus Society did a full history of Queens Transit/Steinway Transit/Queens Surface in their Motor Coach Age magazine in 2007. This issue is sold out on the Society's website but copies are occasionally available on eBay.

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[

Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Mar 3 20:07:26 2016, in response to History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Feb 29 20:40:07 2016.

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This is what I have so far for the history.

In the 1930s, the New York City Board of Transportation (predecessor to the New York City Transit Authority) separated bus service in Queens into four zones. Zone A in Western Queens (Woodside, Astoria, and Long Island City) was awarded to Triboro Coach, including the Q19A franchise along Ditmars Boulevard and 21st Street (Van Alst Avenue). Service on the Q19A began on August 18, 1934, competing with the parallel 31st Street and Vernon Boulevard streetcar lines of the Steinway Railway (now the Q102 and Q103 buses respectively).

At Ditmars, the bus stops were in the middle of the block of 31st St near the subway entrance. Not sure the exact year they combined but probably in the mid to late 50s, as by 1962 they were already combined. The original setup was more convenient for subway riders, as the bus stop was adjacent to the station, unlike now. But through bus riders not destined for the subway had to transfer buses.

In the 1960s and 1970s, many Q19A rush hour runs from Queens Plaza terminated and turned back at 31st Street.


The Q19A was originally two separate routes-the Q19A ran from Queens Plaza via its current route as the Q69 but terminated at the Ditmars Boulevard subway station. A separate route, the Q33A, ran from Ditmars Boulevard east along Ditmars to 82nd Street and then along the current Q69 route. The Q33A was also called the 82nd Street Crosstown – Ditmars route. In the early 1960s, the two routes were combined.

Prior to the creation of the Q101R, the Q101 operated by Steinway Transit (successor to the Steinway Railway) served Rikers Island, running local down Steinway Street to Queens Plaza, and across the Queensboro Bridge to Midtown Manhattan. Service to Rikers began around 1967; the bridge from Queens to the island was opened on November 22, 1966. Some local residents complained of having to share the route with Rikers-bound passengers. The Q101R was created in the 1980s, with the Q101 truncated to Hazen Street and 19th Avenue. Originally, the Q101R ran non-stop between Long Island City and the Rikers Island parking lot. Steinway would merge with sister company Queens Transit Corporation to become Queens-Steinway Transit Corporation in 1986. The company became Queens Surface Corporation in 1988.

On February 27, 2005, the MTA Bus Company took over the operations of the Queens Surface routes including the Q101R, part of the city's takeover of all the remaining privately operated bus routes. On February 2, 2006, the operations of Triboro Coach including the Q19A were taken over by MTA Bus. As part of the takeover, the Q101R and other former Steinway Transit routes in western Queens were moved to the former Triboro Coach depot (LaGuardia Depot). On April 6, 2008, the Q101R was renumbered as the Q100,[20] and on April 20, 2008, the Q19A was renumbered the Q69. On June 22, 2008, the Q100 stop on 20th Avenue at the Astoria power plant was added. Q100 limited-stop service along 21st Street began on February 1, 2009.

What is the deal with the Q51?

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100

Posted by Union Tpke on Sat Mar 10 19:35:03 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100, posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 1 00:18:04 2016.


"In the 60s and 70s, many 19A rush hour runs from QP terminated and turned back at 31st St, to the chagrin of those going father east. This practice has mercifully ended."

Are there any maps or timetables that indicate this service pattern? Thanks.

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100

Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 10 21:54:24 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100, posted by Union Tpke on Sat Mar 10 19:35:03 2018.

I don't know of any. Were there even bus maps of Queens back then?

I know that the front roll signs of those runs showed "31 Street-Ditmars Subway" or similar as a destination. Maybe there are photos. In any event, I personally experienced that issue.

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100

Posted by nh153 on Sun Mar 11 01:12:33 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100, posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 10 21:54:24 2018.

I have a June 1996 Queens bus map and the Q101R is not on this map. The regular Q101 goes to Rikers and the Q19A is the only bus on 21st Street. So I guess the Q101R started after that date, unless the map failed to include the Q101R when it was published.

In those days, Queens bus maps gave little info on private line buses. Their routes are included on the map but no info is included in the timetables. And when "Guide-A-Ride" maps and timetables became available at each bus stop, the private lines did not participate.

You're right that the Q101R only had three stops, Queensboro Plaza, the Rikers Parking Lot (which is on the Queens mainland, before the bridge) and finally at Rikers Island Prison. It ran 24/7, just like the Q100 does today. Nobody had thought to make the Q101R do more than just serve Rikers Island.

Also, the sentence

>>>The Q101R was created in the 1980s, with the Q101 truncated to Hazen Street and 19th Avenue<<<

might be better worded as

>>>The Q101R was created in the late 1990s, with the Q101 terminating at Hazen Street and 19th Avenue, no longer serving Rikers Island.<<<

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[

Posted by BusMgr on Sun Mar 11 04:29:58 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[, posted by Union Tpke on Thu Mar 3 20:07:26 2016.

In addition to the path described, route Q19A was authorized to turn-around at 31st Street using a loop: Ditmars Boulevard, 29th Street, 23rd Avenue, 31st Street to Ditmars Boulevard. (October 20, 1936 franchise.)

Route Q33 operated from the 74th Street station, Jackson Heights, to LaGuardia Field, using the 85th Street entrance to the airport (at the time, 85th Street continued straight northward over the Grand Central Parkway, continuing on what is now Marine Terminal Road). A separate branch operated from 82nd Street via Astoria Boulevard to 80th Street, then across the Grand Central Parkway, 78th Street, and Ditmars Boulevard. The turn-around loop was Ditmars Boulevard, 33rd Street, 23rd Avenue, 31st Street to Ditmars Boulevard. This branch might have been designated by the bus company as route Q33A, but it was franchised as part of route Q33. (December 12, 1939 franchise.)

Later, route Q33 was modified to enter LaGuardia Air Terminal using the new entrance, following the former route to 85th Street, then via 23rd Avenue and 94th Street to the airport. The branch via Ditmars Boulevard was designated as route Q51, from 82 Street & Astoria Boulevard to the 31st Street station. This service may have continued operating directly to and from the 74th Street station, Jackson Heights, as the bus company did not adhere strictly to franchise route designations, and sometimes combined routes (e.g., franchise routes Q18 and Q24 have long been combined as single route Q18). (October 3, 1952 franchise.)

Finally, routes Q19A and Q51 were combined into a single route Q19A, and the Q51 designation was eliminated. The turn-around loops using 29th Street and 33rd Street were both retained, and a new turn-around loop was authorized via 78th Street, across the Grand Central Parkway, south service road of the Grand Central Parkway, 82nd Street to Astoria Boulevard (returning via Astoria Boulevard to 80th Street, then across the Grand Central Parkway to 78th Street). (February 23, 1961 franchise.)

As to route Q101R, this was an informal designation used on maps, to distinguish the Rikers Island service from the Steinway Street local service, but officially both services were route Q101. The purpose for having instituted the separate Rikers Island service was to segregate the passengers destined for Rikers Island from those destined for Steinway Street, as the passengers for each were largely distinct racially, socially, and economically. Initially, the Rikers Island service was routed along Steinway Street, without stops, and only later was the service moved to 21st Street.

Also, note that the successor to the Steinway Street streetcar route was Steinway Omnibus Corporation. On August 19, 1959, the company changed its name to Steinway Transit Corp. Meanwhile, on February 27, 1957, Queens-Nassau Transit Lines, Inc., changed its name to Queens Transit Corp., and again changed its name again, on June 30, 1986, this time to Queens/Steinway Transit Corp. On the following day, July 1, 1986, Steinway Transit Corp. was merged out. Queens/Steinway Transit Corp. was then, itself, merged out on May 17, 2007. An entirely separate company, Linden Bus Co., Inc., was incorporated on April 22, 1988. It changed its name, on June 23, 1988, to Queens Surface Corp., and acquired the operating assets of Queens/Steinway Transit Corp. This company continues in existence.

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 11 14:37:08 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100, posted by nh153 on Sun Mar 11 01:12:33 2018.

The 101 served Queensbridge Subway station,also.

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Mar 11 15:20:21 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[, posted by BusMgr on Sun Mar 11 04:29:58 2018.

Good info. Regarding Q51, perhaps that was its official number, but the Triboro buses never had that on their signs. I used that route as a kid and teenager all the time and the route was signed as Q33A until the 1961 combination with Q19A.

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100

Posted by BusMgr on Sun Mar 11 15:39:23 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100, posted by nh153 on Sun Mar 11 01:12:33 2018.

The sentence, as first written, would be more accurate as to the timing of the institution of the service. The labeling of the service on maps as "101R" was probably in the early 1990s, and sometime thereafter some buses may have displayed that designation, even though no franchise had ever been granted for a route 101R.

Franchise route designations have not always been strictly adhered to by bus operators, notwithstanding the terms of franchise contract or other operating rights. For example, route Q24, from Woodside to Maspeth, was granted to Triboro Coach, but combined with Q18, from Astoria to Woodside, and designated on maps and buses as route Q18 alone. (In contrast, Queens Transit Corp. combined routes Q25 and Q34, and then used both franchise route designations, Q25/34, on maps and buses.) And while Triboro Coach retained rights to route Q24, the NYCTA, on its own initiative, appropriated route designation Q24 for its route B22, thereby creating a duplication of designations. (Actually, that was not the first duplication. The Board of Estimate itself duplicated route designation Q53, granting to both Triboro Coach, for a Woodside to Rockaway Park route, and to Carey Transportation, for a LaGuardia Airport to Kennedy Airport route.)

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[

Posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Mar 12 00:07:54 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[, posted by Union Tpke on Thu Mar 3 20:07:26 2016.

Some extra info from the old Triboro timetables. The time on the timetables were based on checkpoints, so there are notations indicating trips that start some minutes before or after time printed @ checkpoint.








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Triboro Q33 Timetable
June 29, 2003

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One weekday trip to the Jackson Heights station starts @ checkpoint Ditmars Blvd/24th Street for St. John's Prep School at 2:40 PM, getting to Broadway/76th Street at 3:08.

Timetable actually states at Checkpoint 9, "Does Bus Start at 24th Street & Ditmars?" (Probably a typo).

No corresponding school trip the other direction.








Triboro Q19A Timetable
March 31, 2002
"Includes Sunnyside Rail Yards Bridge Detour Bridge"

Northbound

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Detour at QBP heading to Jackson Heights is 24th Street, 43rd Avenue, 23rd Street, and unto 44th Drive.

Four northbound (Astoria/Jackson Heights-bound) trips, 1:46 PM, 2:46 PM, 3:21 PM, and 4:01 PM @ checkpoint 21st Street/30th Avenue leave Long Island City High School one minute before stated on timetable (1:45, 2:45, 3:20, 4:00). The first of those trips actually ends at Ditmars Blvd/31st Street at 1:53. The other three continue to 82nd Street/Astoria Blvd, ending at 3:03, 3:38, and 4:18 PM.

Southbound

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One southbound (St. John's-bound) trip leaves Monsignor McClancy Memorial High School at 2:20 PM @ checkpoint 31 Avenue/73rd Street, via 31st Avenue, 77th Street, 25th Avenue, and 80th Street unto Astoria Blvd and the regular route, terminating at Ditmars Blvd/24th Street at 2:36, two minutes later than stated in timetable at checkpoint Ditmars Blvd/31st Street (2:34).

One southbound (QBP-bound) trip, 3:25 PM @ checkpoint 21st Street/36th Avenue, starts five minutes earlier than indicated (3:20) at Broadway/21st Street and heads to QBP, ending at 3:37.

Two southbound (QBP-bound) trips, 2:39 PM and 2:51 PM @ checkpoint Ditmars/21st Street, are stated to start their trips one minute before (2:38 and 2:50) at Ditmars Blvd and 24th Street, and end at QBP at 3:01 and 3:13, respectively.

Timetable states for notation (B), used for the 2:20, 2:39, and 2:51:

"Arrives St. John's Preparatory School (24 St & Ditmars) 2 minutes after time at 31 St & Ditmars; leaves St. John's Preparatory School 1 minute before time at 21 St & Ditmars".

Timetable actually states at Checkpoint 9, "Does Bus Start at 73 St & 31 Av?" (Guess someone didn't proofread them).






Triboro Q19A Timetable
June 29, 2003

Northbound

Two northbound (Jackson Heights-bound) trips, 3:21 PM and 4:01 PM @ checkpoint 21st Street/30th Avenue, start at 31st Street and Broadway one minute before indicated on timetable (3:20 and 4:00) and arrive at 82nd Street/Astoria Blvd at 3:38 and 4:18, respectively.

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One southbound (QBP-bound) trip, 3:25 PM @ checkpoint 21st Street/36th Avenue, starts five minutes earlier than indicated (3:20) at Broadway/21st Street and heads to QBP, ending at 3:37.

Two southbound (QBP-bound) trips, 2:39 PM and 2:51 PM @ checkpoint Ditmars/21st Street, are stated to start their trips one minute before (2:38 and 2:50) at Ditmars Blvd and 24th Street, and end at QBP at 3:01 and 3:13, respectively.

One southbound (St. John's-bound) trip leaves Monsignor McClancy Memorial High School at 2:25 PM @ checkpoint 31 Avenue/73rd Street, via 31st Avenue, 77th Street, 25th Avenue, and 80th Street unto Astoria Blvd and the regular route, terminating at Ditmars Blvd/24th Street at 2:41, two minutes later than stated in timetable at checkpoint Ditmars Blvd/31st Street (2:39).

Timetable states for notation (B), used for the 2:25, 2:39, and 2:51:

"Arrives St. John's Preparatory School (24 St & Ditmars) 2 minutes after time at 31 St & Ditmars; leaves St. John's Preparatory School 1 minute before time at 21 St & Ditmars".

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[

Posted by BusMgr on Mon Mar 12 01:21:24 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[, posted by GojiMet86 on Mon Mar 12 00:07:54 2018.

PDF versions of these and other timetables may be downloaded from the Wayback Machine.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040909085449/http://www.triborocoach.com:80/bus_schedules.htm

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100

Posted by nh153 on Mon Mar 12 14:20:53 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100, posted by BusMgr on Sun Mar 11 15:39:23 2018.

You are right Bus Mgr. I looked more closely at the June 1996 bus map and I made a mistake.

I now see very faintly a purple line leaving Queensboro Plaza, going up 21st Street, then turning eastward onto Astoria Blvd. and joining the regular route of the Q101 at Steinway Street, traveling north to Rikers Island.

That purple line is not labeled Q101R, not Q101. There's no label on it at all. But since it joins the Q101 at Steinway Street and follows it north to Rikers Island, I guess that's what would be called Q101R.

I hadn't known that the Q101R followed that route at one time. I always remember it going to the end of 21st Street, then making a right in front of the Con Ed plant onto 20th Avenue, and getting to Rikers Island that way, the way the Q100 does today. I wonder why it went onto crowded Astoria Blvd.? Today's route is better if the idea is to get people from the subway to the prison as quickly as possible.

Above Edwards! mentions the Q101R also stopping at the Queensbridge subway station. Once that station was opened, the Q101R stopped there in addition to its three other stops. But which came first, the Q101R or the opening of that station?

So yes, the Q101R or as it may have first been called, The Limited Stop Q101 to Rikers, was running in 1998, even though it is not mentioned on Queens bus maps till later.

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100

Posted by BusMgr on Mon Mar 12 16:03:02 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100, posted by nh153 on Mon Mar 12 14:20:53 2018.

The Rikers Island service operated along Steinway Street because that is the street upon which Stein Transit (and successors) had a right to use; the franchise for 21st Street had been granted to Triboro Coach for use by different routes.

It is at least arguable whether MTA Bus Company has the right to operate the Rikers Island service along 21st Street. Section 6-202 of the New York City Administrative Code (a state law) prohibits the operation of bus routes in the absence of a franchise or right therefor. Section 1266 of the Public Authorities Law provides the MTA and its subsidiaries (including MTA Bus Company) with many rights. Do those rights include the right for MTA Bus Company to operate its buses along city streets, as required by section 2-606? In People v. Gallagher, 50 Misc.3d 317 (2015), the court discussed the "almost unfettered ability to maintain and operate the transportation facilities, equipment or real property that [an MTA subsidiary] possesses," but then held that "[t]his generous grant of power is limited to the upkeep of tangible physical or real property used to transport passengers." Seemingly, MTA Bus Company would not have the right to decide for itself where it may operate its buses, but would instead have to obtain the right to operate buses along a city street from the city itself. That is, the MTA may not take from the city its inalienable property for use by MTA buses any more so than the MTA may take and use buses owned by private companies for MTA's use; it is trespass in both cases. Yet, MTA Bus Company possesses no franchise or right from the city's legislature, the council, but instead only a letter agreement made by the mayor (dated December 8, 2004) that leases city assets, provides for city subsidy, and outlines liabilities and a dispute resolution mechanism, but does not provide for a general right to use the city streets. Nor could the mayor, on his own without an authorizing resolution from the city's legislature, grant such a right to the MTA Bus Company. At best, under the letter agreement that leased the city assets, the MTA could use the rights that Queens Surface Corp. had possessed--which would include the right to use Steinway Street for the operation of the Rikers Island service--but to the extent that Queens Surface Corp. operated the Rikers Island service along 21st Street without any franchise or right therefor, neither would MTA Bus Company have a right to do so either. A court would likely bend over backwards to allow the MTA Bus Company to operate the Rikers Island service along 21st Streetm, as it is presently doing, but it is at least arguable that it has no right to do so.

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[

Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Mar 15 14:42:36 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[, posted by BusMgr on Sun Mar 11 04:29:58 2018.

Is there a document I could cite for this:
"In addition to the path described, route Q19A was authorized to turn-around at 31st Street using a loop: Ditmars Boulevard, 29th Street, 23rd Avenue, 31st Street to Ditmars Boulevard. (October 20, 1936 franchise.)"?
Thanks.


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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[

Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 15:17:55 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[, posted by Union Tpke on Thu Mar 15 14:42:36 2018.

Please note what Bus Mgr said:
"The Q19A was originally two separate routes-the Q19A ran from Queens Plaza via its current route as the Q69 but terminated at the Ditmars Boulevard subway station. "

In terminating at the station, there was no other way to turn around except by going around the block. This is the loop he is talking about. Until the 19A and the 33A were combined, all 19As made this loop.



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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[

Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Mar 15 18:13:02 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[, posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 15:17:55 2018.

I just need a citation.

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[

Posted by BusMgr on Fri Mar 16 05:37:57 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[, posted by Union Tpke on Thu Mar 15 14:42:36 2018.

Cite to the Triboro Coach franchise contract dated October 20, 1936 (available at the Municipal Library, inside the New York County Surrogates Court building at 31 Chambers Street).

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[

Posted by Union Tpke on Fri Mar 16 05:55:45 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[, posted by BusMgr on Fri Mar 16 05:37:57 2018.

I have been there. Thanks.

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[

Posted by transitbuff on Fri Mar 16 13:48:22 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[, posted by Union Tpke on Thu Mar 15 18:13:02 2018.

Any police officer would be glad to oblige you..

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Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[

Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 16 18:09:42 2018, in response to Re: History of the Q19A/Q69 and the Q101R/Q100 [Q33A/Q51[, posted by Union Tpke on Thu Mar 15 18:13:02 2018.

Maybe an old map? Did old Hagstroms show bus routes?

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