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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Dec 5 11:00:29 2014, in response to Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 5 10:27:56 2014. Guess they have been getting guidance from DOT with the thin lettered or condensed font and widely spaced lettering on their new street signs when they could use a regular or bold font. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Dec 5 11:20:27 2014, in response to Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 5 10:27:56 2014. B37 and B70 "via" in different format...
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Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Dec 5 11:26:46 2014, in response to Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 5 10:27:56 2014. Then there's the Axion signs on the Nova Bus LFS 8000s when it first arrive. God awful. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 5 11:36:04 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Dec 5 11:20:27 2014. Fascinating. Lower-case letters. I've seen them before, but I didn't think they were actually used. More often than not, they're wider than their upper-case equivalents. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Dec 5 12:30:42 2014, in response to Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 5 10:27:56 2014. Interesting. Please keep documenting this. |
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Posted by RyogaRidesTheMTA on Fri Dec 5 16:16:54 2014, in response to Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 5 10:27:56 2014. The Bx15 Limited rear sign on Titan-equipped buses looks awful as well.Did they ever fix that Bx13 16x120 side sign to River Ave? It was a big ol' mess of fonts and sizes when the extension first occurred. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Fri Dec 5 16:19:26 2014, in response to Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 5 10:27:56 2014. Damn I miss the old rollsigns. |
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Posted by gbs on Fri Dec 5 21:25:45 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Dec 5 11:26:46 2014. Yes, but thankfully most of them have been re-programmed to a much more normal-looking font. (But it's been over a year and some of them still haven't been re-programmed yet? Why?)The worst offenders are those buses used for subway service during GOs. The route letter or number, the most important part, is in a small, light type, and the "train to" and destination are bold and large. Perhaps someone can post a photo or two.... |
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Posted by northshore on Fri Dec 5 22:43:42 2014, in response to Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 5 10:27:56 2014. NICE reprogrammed the MTA signs on the Orions and made them worse. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Dec 6 13:10:08 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by northshore on Fri Dec 5 22:43:42 2014. Totally. Those scrolling destinations on the n6 with the Mobitec signs? Interesting, but still bad.Then there's one I saw on the n23: "Manorhaven via 60 Charles Lindbergh Blvd." Where's 60 Charles Lindbergh Blvd? Why is 60 Charles Lindbergh Blvd so important it has to be listed? What's at 60 Charles Lindbergh Blvd? Why not state the purpose of any building at 60 Charles Lindbergh Blvd instead of its address? It's like saying, "via 1050 Forbell St" instead of "via Postal Facility" |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sat Dec 6 13:52:56 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Dec 6 13:10:08 2014. Those scrolling destinations are Hanover signs |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Dec 6 14:05:45 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Dec 6 13:52:56 2014. Right. I was completely mixed up there. Of course they're Hanover signs. I just said Mobitec so see if people would notice. :)I guess someone at NICE is having a bit too much fun with Helen, the sign editor program for Hanover signs. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sat Dec 6 14:21:29 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by gbs on Fri Dec 5 21:25:45 2014. There are few buses left to reprogram and YES, much improvement now. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sat Dec 6 14:26:23 2014, in response to Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 5 10:27:56 2014. Plus, spelling mistakes....Bee-Line route#20 on the NABI bus/Twinvision signs... WHITE PLAINS via CROSS COUNTRY. |
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Posted by B82 East NY-Starrett on Sat Dec 6 16:45:52 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Dec 6 13:10:08 2014. Where's 60 Charles Lindbergh Blvd?Uniondale, NY Why is 60 Charles Lindbergh Blvd so important it has to be listed? What's at 60 Charles Lindbergh Blvd? Nassau County Department of Health and Social Services Why not state the purpose of any building at 60 Charles Lindbergh Blvd instead of its address? I guess because 'via Department of Health and Social Services' doesn't work well |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sat Dec 6 17:07:50 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Dec 6 14:26:23 2014. I hope the drivers get their lodging and meals paid for! |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sat Dec 6 17:59:22 2014, in response to Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 5 10:27:56 2014. If the route stays in its borough like the(M42)why put the letter on the rear anyway just the number would work. |
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Posted by b1bus on Sat Dec 6 21:42:51 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Dec 6 13:10:08 2014. Nassau county Social Services department. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Dec 6 23:19:24 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by busdude2 on Sat Dec 6 17:59:22 2014. A route from another borough might come close enough to such a route, where it might cause some confusion. For example, the Bx15 and the M15 meet at 125th Street and First and Second Avenues in East Harlem.Many sign programming titles have pre-formatted templates, where route and destination message text can be assigned. Using such a template, assigning "M42" as the "Route" value would cause "M42" to appear in an any display using the template, in the area designated for the "Route" value. As the rear sign appears to use a template with only one area (for the "Route" value), "M42" is displayed. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Dec 9 00:03:57 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by gbs on Fri Dec 5 21:25:45 2014. I've been thinking about that, and my hypothesis is that they use a custom font with small letters and full-height digits. |
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Posted by snarf368 on Wed Dec 10 17:35:52 2014, in response to Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 5 10:27:56 2014. I have the same gripe. Subways are just as bad. Examples are why abbreviate Local with LCL when all 5 letters of Local can fit? Why abbreviate Street with St when Street can fit? Most of us on this board don't need signs at all but for tourists and occasional riders, the full spelling and proper size font helps.Most bus riders don't pay attention to anything other than bus route. Many times buses are programmed for short turns and when it doesn't go the full route, riders are surprised and yell at driver. Or when bus is going north and displaying south destination. |
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Posted by BrianB on Mon Dec 15 06:46:11 2014, in response to Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 5 10:27:56 2014. About signs, and why the MTA seems inconsistent.First of all, programming Luminators is a dark alchemic science. Not easy by the least bit. The pocatec/Axion signs have been replaced with Luminator Titans, which you would know if you actually RODE the bus instead of taking photos and foaming to hop in your POS Honda with fried lice (oops, I meant rice). Anyway, the MTA has several different methods for burning sign programs into the coaches, and each depot has its own set of PC cards and Luminator programmer laptops to do it. As for the Twinvisions in the 5k Novas, that's a creature unto itself. These PC cards are meant for specific series of coaches, but when the hosteler/maintainer is supposed to jump through 200 buses in a night, he or she isn't going to dig through the stack and pay close attention to what particular series the card or cord is being stuck into. If it fits and goes without errors, it gets burned onto the ODK. So that is why these things happen. Brian Bradford |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Dec 15 09:58:03 2014, in response to Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Dec 5 10:27:56 2014. Another anomaly is the Q46 Limited that ends at Glen Oaks (not Lake Success). I believe both the "Limited" and "Glen Oaks" displays on that program are in the smaller font (as if to make room for another line of text) but centered. It's been like that for many years now on many models, though I think the Nova LFSs have made it look much better. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Dec 15 10:03:30 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by northshore on Fri Dec 5 22:43:42 2014. On some NICE Orions (I forget if they are Vs or VIIs) the side-signage is totally deplorable. The N22 to Hicksville comes to mind:N22 HICKSVILLE N22 LIRR STA N22 via HILLSIDE N22 AVE N22 via WESTBURY N22 AVE So silly! And while I'm thinking about it, does anybody remember the original Command Bus signage on the RTS CNGs (4900s)? The B100 side signage: B100 56 DR & B100 NATIONAL (which technically isn't where the terminal was, was it?) |
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Posted by BrianB on Mon Dec 15 10:57:39 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Dec 15 10:03:30 2014. Look at the house at that corner though!Jeez, what wealthy person would want to live in freakin' Mill Basin? On another note, I watched the new(ish) cop flick with Ice Cube and Leguizamo. Maybe, just maybe... But it's a ways away from Brighton, isn't it? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Dec 15 13:09:03 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by BrianB on Mon Dec 15 06:46:11 2014. which you would know if you actually RODE the bus instead of taking photos and foaming to hop in your POS Honda with fried lice (oops, I meant rice).WTF? What is your problem? That is totally uncalled for. he or she isn't going to dig through the stack and pay close attention to what particular series the card or cord is being stuck into.Why not? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Dec 15 13:27:27 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Dec 15 13:09:03 2014. Most of what you have to say is also totally uncalled for. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Dec 15 14:11:57 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Dec 15 13:27:27 2014. Not true at all. But go ahead and humor us and show us some examples that are similar to what I quoted from BrianB. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Dec 15 17:57:35 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Dec 15 14:11:57 2014. Most posters would agree with me not you.A very small percentage of your posts shows any degree of analysis or reasoning. Most of the time it's just a "you're wrong." or "untrue", or "you're a liar" or similar comments with no reasons given, or just plain insults for no reason. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 15 18:24:32 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Dec 15 17:57:35 2014. No, you're wrong. Most intelligent active participants here would disagree with you and agree with me. Whenever you go hot and heavy on some topic here, just look at how many people agree with the position I'm promoting and disagree with your position. Do you not see that??And how do you know that a post of "no" or "you're wrong" didn't involve any analysis?? How do you think I came to my conclusion? You think it's just plain luck that almost every time I say something like that, I'm usually correct?? LOL! I don't post insults for no reason. If you think I do, either you misunderstood what I've posted, or you don't understand the reason. In either case, you could simply ask me for clarification. |
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Posted by gold_12th on Mon Dec 15 18:40:08 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 15 18:24:32 2014. 
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Dec 16 01:10:55 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Dec 15 13:09:03 2014. WTF? What is your problem? That is totally uncalled for.As the starter of this thread, I agree that the whole "if you actually RODE the bus…" statement is totally uncalled for.which you would know if you actually RODE the bus instead of taking photos and foaming to hop in your POS Honda with fried lice (oops, I meant rice). |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 16 03:44:46 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Dec 16 01:10:55 2014. Also it's not down to the helper/maint. Our FB guy is meticulous in his work with over 40 years experience. He has to use the PC card they program and give him. YON is all one type of bus and sign. CIS is at fault on this one. I think that this is all apart of MTA's master plan of blaming the front line for all of the agency's short comings, IMHO. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 16 07:44:48 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 16 03:44:46 2014. Pwn3d |
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Posted by BrianB on Wed Dec 17 04:24:52 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by BrianB on Mon Dec 15 06:46:11 2014. I'm on an anti-Honda rant at present. Where I'm living there are way too many, and most are one wheel in the junkyard and wouldn't pass a NJ inspection, let alone a NY one.In my travels, I have found that many fans (those in the category mentioned here whom I referred to as "foamers") really don't use the service they document so well in day-to-day life, rather only to take pictures and say "so and so is a better bus". While I love to ride public transportation, I see it as a tool to enable mobility. If the bus doesn't have ADA accessibility when it could have been built with it, it goes on my list as a not-so-cool bus. Anyway, just explaining myself a little bit. As an aside, I make sure to participate in the system where I live in an active way by going to board meetings, and being on their version of NYMTA's PCAC. Where I live we simply refer to it as the Citizen's Advisory Committee. I'll give you a clue, our General Manager used to manage EMTA. Brian Bradford |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 17 13:05:17 2014, in response to Sorry, I own a Volvo Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by BrianB on Wed Dec 17 04:24:52 2014. I'm on an anti-Honda rant at present. Where I'm living there are way too many, and most are one wheel in the junkyard and wouldn't pass a NJ inspection, let alone a NY one.Doesn't excuse your racist comment. In my travels, I have found that many fans (those in the category mentioned here whom I referred to as "foamers") really don't use the service they document so well in day-to-day life, rather only to take pictures and say "so and so is a better bus".In my travels, I've found that almost all of the NYC-based bus fans on this site actually do use the bus system that they document so you are way off base. |
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Posted by BrianB on Thu Dec 18 07:00:06 2014, in response to Re: Sorry, I own a Volvo Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 17 13:05:17 2014. Racist comment? Do you mean the "fried lice/rice" bit? You don't get out much, do you? May a british honda civic si forever haunt your dreams. I'm cherokee on my mom's side (damn catholic/LDS adoption agencies in the 1900's), and a significant portion of my relatives are Aztec.As for bus fans in NYC, so help me I used the bus and subway quite a bit this last August. In all my travels in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Staten Island, Da Bronx, Queens and Nassau (and my little side trip out to Port Chester to shop at Costco for a butt cushion!?)... I did not see any obnoxious foamers on the bus. However there was this one stupid idiot on Archer who I witnessed doing stupid stuff by standing in the roadway. I still remember the nasty comments made about my photos of 5770 all those years ago. |
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Yonkers beautiful route signage Re: Who's Programming These Signs? |
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Posted by BrianB on Thu Dec 18 07:09:58 2014, in response to Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by TheHat on Tue Dec 16 03:44:46 2014. Sir,I happen to like what they did with the BxM11 sign. It is a proper application of the MTA style, and displays properly. Wanna see something bizarre? Have a Titan codeset on one of these Horizons... You'll have overlapping text and it'll look like a mess. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Dec 18 09:41:09 2014, in response to Pot, meet rusty kettle, also covered with carbon deposits, posted by BrianB on Thu Dec 18 07:00:06 2014. Racist comment? Do you mean the "fried lice/rice" bit?Yes. You don't get out much, do you?Of course I do. I'm cherokee on my mom's side (damn catholic/LDS adoption agencies in the 1900's), and a significant portion of my relatives are Aztec.So? As for bus fans in NYC, so help me I used the bus and subway quite a bit this last August. In all my travels in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Staten Island, Da Bronx, Queens and Nassau (and my little side trip out to Port Chester to shop at Costco for a butt cushion!?)... I did not see any obnoxious foamers on the bus.And....? So my points all stand: 1) Doesn't excuse your racist comment. 2) In my travels, I've found that almost all of the NYC-based bus fans on this site actually do use the bus system that they document so you are way off base. I still remember the nasty comments made about my photos of 5770 all those years ago.What comments? I rode bus 5770 and took pictures of it (unfortunately, not very good ones). |
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Posted by TheHat on Thu Dec 18 16:42:12 2014, in response to Yonkers beautiful route signage Re: Who's Programming These Signs?, posted by BrianB on Thu Dec 18 07:09:58 2014. Yes, except it should be centered. Question why does it mention via Bronx River and not just 5 Ave? It's not to seperate it from Bronx Zoo service. The reason is very interesting |
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Posted by TheHat on Thu Dec 18 16:47:44 2014, in response to Pot, meet rusty kettle, also covered with carbon deposits, posted by BrianB on Thu Dec 18 07:00:06 2014. I'm a bus fan and I don't ride the bus, I DRIVE the bus! I don't get on the bus, I get IN the bus. Ok enough of my bad attempts at humor. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 18 23:24:42 2014, in response to Pot, meet rusty kettle, also covered with carbon deposits, posted by BrianB on Thu Dec 18 07:00:06 2014. He's an Asshole..A life long,card carrying member of the Bitchass Asshole Coward Club-talk tough on line-but a real yellow dog of cowardly coward Unibrow Asshole in the flesh. Just call him what he is...an ASSHOLE. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 18 23:40:59 2014, in response to Re: Pot, meet rusty kettle, also covered with carbon deposits, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 18 23:24:42 2014. It's "AN" asshole, you asshole. Anyhow, no, I'm not an asshole. But you're an idiot and a racist. And having a car does not help. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 18 23:46:01 2014, in response to Re: Pot, meet rusty kettle, also covered with carbon deposits, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 18 23:40:59 2014. A repetitive asshole. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Dec 19 08:38:38 2014, in response to Re: Pot, meet rusty kettle, also covered with carbon deposits, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 18 23:46:01 2014. It's "AN" asshole, you asshole. Anyhow, no, I'm not an asshole. But you're an idiot and a racist. And having a car does not help. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 19 20:05:06 2014, in response to Re: Pot, meet rusty kettle, also covered with carbon deposits, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Dec 19 08:38:38 2014. Still,you are a trolling asshole.Asshole. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 20 21:46:42 2014, in response to Re: Pot, meet rusty kettle, also covered with carbon deposits, posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 19 20:05:06 2014. We have time for it. And no, transit is not for assholes like you, asshole. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jan 8 20:15:53 2015, in response to Re: Pot, meet rusty kettle, also covered with carbon deposits, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Dec 20 21:46:42 2014. Suggestion: Keep your major name and don't change it! |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Thu Jan 8 21:24:18 2015, in response to Re: Pot, meet rusty kettle, also covered with carbon deposits, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jan 8 20:15:53 2015. I don't change it. WADL. |
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