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How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 11:05:09 2011 Part 2 of 3, the 33rd Anniversary of the Southwest Brooklyn bus changes |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 21 11:49:08 2011, in response to How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 11:05:09 2011. You're nuts. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Mon Nov 21 11:51:09 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 21 11:49:08 2011. He tells it like it is. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 21 11:53:53 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Nyctransitman on Mon Nov 21 11:51:09 2011. Are you sure about that? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 21 11:54:09 2011, in response to How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 11:05:09 2011. Your article has flaws:1. Bedford Ave has a Sears department store. 2. To get to Kesington from Ocean Ave, you use the B16 direct. Even if the B49 ran along Ocean Ave, you would still need to take the B35 |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 12:07:25 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 21 11:49:08 2011. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe you work for the MTA so you are having a difficult time seeing the truth. See the comments thus far on nyctransitforums and Sheepsheadbites. People who use the bus system ever day have no difficulty understanding what I am saying. If the planners at the MTA did the same, they would also understand why someone decides to use the bus or not. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 21 12:09:19 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 12:07:25 2011. Correct me if I am wrong You're wrong. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 21 12:11:48 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 12:07:25 2011. See the comments thus far on nyctransitforums and Sheepsheadbites. People who use the bus system ever day have no difficulty understanding what I am saying. No, the people who don't like the current service, for whatever reason, are applauding you because you're speaking out against NYCT. It has nothing to do with if what you are saying actually makes sense or not. Think about it this way - every time there are service cuts or fare increases, you see some of the stupidest quotes from the "man on the street" in the newspaper and on TV. The man on the street doesn't understand the issue and just wants to vent. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 21 12:43:31 2011, in response to How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 11:05:09 2011. Once again the SBS in Brooklyn will prove to be a massive success as passengers will learn how to utilize the service to its maximum efficiency. As for lightly used routes, the only reason why "lightly used" routes even exist in some forms is due to the fact they have a political connection. It's time high lightly used routes were all discontinued. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 21 13:43:37 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 12:07:25 2011. I don't work for any branch of the MTA. I see things as they are, no great conspiracy behind things, no ulterior motives behind things. You, on the other hand, have repeatedly shown an unreasonable anti-MTA bias in your 'articles' which nothing more than editorials with little fact to base them on. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 13:43:48 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 21 11:54:09 2011. No. Your logic has flaws.1. You don't decide to place a bus route on a street because of a single department store. If you think that had anything to do with why the B49 was placed on Bedford Avenue, you know very little about bus route history. It is there for one reason and one reason only. When Rogers and Nostrand Avenues were converted to one ways in the 1960s,, the B49 and the B44 had to be rerouted. They were moved to Bedford and NY Avenues on the same day. 2. The B16 only serves a half mile segment of Ocean Avenue and serves no more than 5% of Ocean Avenue passengers. For you to use that as an example why rerouting the B49 to Ocean Avenue is a ridiculous reason; typical of a response the MTA would give. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 13:48:00 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 21 12:43:31 2011. No, Little Neck and Floral Park have tons of political clout, but still couldn't save the Q79. Same with Kew Gardens Hills and the Q74. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 13:49:42 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 21 12:43:31 2011. You absolutely have no idea of what you are talking about which is exactly what I would expect to hear from an MTA employee.What you say about political connections as the reason for lightly utilized routes existing is only true to a very small degree. There are over 500 local bus routes in NYC. SBS, no matter how successful it would be is no panacea to solving local bus problems. How many SBS routes do you eventually forseee? 20, 30? What do you expect to do expect to do with the other 480 of them? Discontinue them all? |
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Posted by Mr RT on Mon Nov 21 13:57:27 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 13:49:42 2011. Why not try the SBS M34A service ? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 14:06:04 2011, in response to How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 11:05:09 2011. To be honest, I don't think that New York Avenue (except for around Clarkson Avenue, although the B12 serves the area) and Bedford Avenue needs a bus, and I like your idea of rerouting the B49 to Crown Heights via Ocean and Empire. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 14:48:03 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 21 13:43:37 2011. Unreasonable MTA bias in my articles? That's a matter of opinion. I've had at least two totally pro MTA articles if you would have read them all.If you understood more about the MTA, or had worked for them, you would know more about their thought processes. For one of my very first MTA assignments in 1981, I had to make a vow of secrecy that I would not divulge to anyone what I was working on. I also was asked to lie to obtain certain information. I believe 30 years is over the statute of limitations so I will tell you the project. The MTA was weighing whether they should make an attempt to takeover the private bus lines, and based on the information I secretly obtained for them, they chose not to try. Yes, there are conspiracy theories. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 14:52:33 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Mr RT on Mon Nov 21 13:57:27 2011. I certainly would if I needed to. I just don't ride buses for the fun of it. I mentioned last week on SecondAvenueSagas that I support the M34 SBS service. So there is no need for me to be convinced. It's the B44SBS and future proposals for Woodhaven Blvd I am against. I'm not even against the M15 or Bx12. I just don't want the M15SBS to be used as an excuse why we don't need the lower half of the Second Avenue subway. That is the only reason why Second Avenue was chosen in the first place. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 14:54:36 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 14:06:04 2011. I agree. They were only put there because Nostrand and Rogers were made one-way. An Albany/ Brooklyn Avenue route would make far more sense than a NY Avenue route. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 21 15:13:20 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 14:48:03 2011. Your 'articles' are not fact based. You're expressing your opinion about transportation issues, and the MTA in general. That's opinion, and to call them 'articles' insults legitimate reporting. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 21 15:25:51 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 14:52:33 2011. I just don't ride buses for the fun of it. You would consider riding the bus routes you are writing so much about to be "for fun"? I would consider it a basic requirement BEFORE saying anything like what you've been saying. The fact that you haven't ridden them is extremely shameful, but I'm not surprised. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 21 15:45:54 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 13:49:42 2011. You talk too much about things you know nothing about, but let me put it this way, ride an SBS route then talk.SBS is not a panacea, but on routes that have been chosen there is a need, and some passengers will be inconvenienced but that happens whenever a route is restructured, but if the route improves the life for the majority then its a success. The SBS routes chosen so far have been a success. Just because you worked at Operations Planning doesn't mean you're right about everything because in this case you're 100% wrong, and when the SBS comes out and is a success Im going to enjoy saying "I told you so" Even if I wasn't an MTA Employee, I've studied Civil Engineering made it my College Major so Im speaking that from this point of view not as a TA Employee. So your assumption like your thoughts on this SBS route are 100% wrong. Personally I want to see SBS routes, mixed with Light Rail, subway and local bus service. SBS is a great start, but its not the right situation, I want to see Light Rail come to NYC. Then again you might not like it because Light Rails don't stop every 2 blocks. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 21 15:48:48 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 14:54:36 2011. The 43/15 operates along those streets.. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 16:13:44 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 21 15:48:48 2011. I think he means south of Empire. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 16:15:58 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 14:54:36 2011. Would rerouting the B44 up Rogers cause ridership loss since it wouldn't directly serve the Nostrand Avenue (A) train station anymore? A new Bedford Avenue entrance should be easy build at the station. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 16:39:28 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 21 15:13:20 2011. Yes, there is much opinion in the articles, but they are all based on facts.No one ever claimed that they were straight reporting. Do you consider Ben Kabak's reporting in SecondAvenueSagas.com legitimate or do you not see his opinion in most of what he writes? What particular statement to you feel I have made that has no basis in fact? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 16:40:54 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 16:13:44 2011. Yes that is exactly what I meant. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 16:44:03 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 16:15:58 2011. I've heard the B44 ridership to the A train on NY Avenue is heavy, so yes, it would cause people to alter their trip patterns which would make their trips more inconvenient if you subscribe to the fact that people are currently making trips that are most convenient for them. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 21 17:05:24 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 13:43:48 2011. You have these responses all planned out, you dont take criticism very well. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 21 17:14:27 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 16:39:28 2011. By calling them 'articles' you are inferring that they are 'straight reporting'. You are writing pure opinion.Second Ave Sagas...Depending on what he's written, some of it is news, and some of it is opinion. Most of it would be considered opinion if it were a newspaper. It's a hell of a lot less biased than your opinion pieces. News informs; Opinion persuades. News is based on multiple viewpoints; Opinion is based on singular viewpoints. News believes the facts speak for themselves; Opinion believes informed arguments do. News is objective and impersonal; Opinion is subjective and personal. Nothing you write fits the NEWS side of the equation. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 17:22:52 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 21 15:45:54 2011. If I know nothing about the things I talk about, why is it that 2/3 of the comments about these articles on this and other forums are favorable? Isn't that the standard that the MTA has been employing in their satisfaction surveys, that if more than half are satisfied, they are doing a great job? I've already had three people today say they agree with 100% of what I said in this series.Many people who have intimate knowledge about bus routes do not believe the B44 will be a success. However, the MTA will collect and distort data to show that it is by selectively choosing what o present as they always do. Don't you think it is strange that when they showed over 50% of bus riders are satisfied with service they neglected to do a breakdown for rush hour and non-rush hour riders? Could it be they did the breakdown but only 38% during non-rush hours were satisfied and that number would have increased pressure to increase off-peak service? Do you think it was coincidental that for LIRR passengers, they did decide to show a peak off-peak breakdown, it showed that riders were more satisfied with off-peak service than with peak service? And for your information, I have always been a proponent for more light rail, so don't think you know everything there is to know about me. I've never argued that the SBS routes implemented thus far have not been a success. What I have repeatedly stated is that the data the MTA has presented does not show they have been a success. You are reading what you want to read. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 21 17:31:00 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 17:22:52 2011. What people may agree with doesn't make something right or wrong. As for your collect and distort data, I highly doubt that, you can play the Conspiracy Theory crap with others but it doesnt fly with me, you can always do a freedom of information request and get the #s yourself, or ask a traffic checker.You're asking yourself to judge the routes success on people who dont appreciate the system, dont understand the intricacies and the effort it takes to run on a daily basis. As for your posts its been nothing but negatives against the SBS and as for who you think until you list your sources, it could be your grandmother or your imagination who gives you that intimate knowledge. We don't go on "sources" here. Facts and Names only. Provide some basis then you would be right but the other SBS services and their success have only proven you wrong thusfar. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 17:32:51 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 21 17:05:24 2011. What are you talking about? How could I have anything all planned out? No one is feeding me the questions ahead of time. I am just able to answer them because I know the system and I know my facts. When I don't know something, I am the first to admit it.I take criticism very well when someone can criticize with facts, which my critics have not been able to do. They just make broad statements like "You're wrong", or "You don't have the facts", "You hate the MTA", "You don't like criticism", "You haven't ridden on the SBS, so you don't know what you are talking about". Those are not criticisms; they are attacks on my credibility, and yes, those I don't take well. Would you say that anyone who hasn't lived through World War II, would not have the right to write an article on that subject? If I was criticizing the M15 or the Bx12 without having ridden them, you might have a point, but I have not. Virtually all of my SBS criticism has been directed toward future routes, not existing ones. I do like the concept of SBS. My problems are with the MTA's implementation of the project. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 17:41:03 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 21 17:14:27 2011. I am not debating your definitions of news because I agree with you on all your definitions. I am not writing straight opinion. The B2 did once run on 2 minute headways during rush hours, just to give one example. That is a fact.Second, I have never called them news articles, just articles. What one word term would you use to describe them? Second AvenueSagas is also biased in what he chooses to present and what he ignores and I believe moreso than my pieces. Only he is biased in favor of the MTA which you don't seem to have a problem with. I've even had discussions with Ben that he is presenting opinion under the heading of news and that he is not being objective. His response was that he has never made the claim that he was objective. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 21 17:45:54 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 17:22:52 2011. If I know nothing about the things I talk about, why is it that 2/3 of the comments about these articles on this and other forums are favorable? I already told you why. Here it is, AGAIN: The people who don't like the current service, for whatever reason, are applauding you because you're speaking out against NYCT. It has nothing to do with if what you are saying actually makes sense or not. Think about it this way - every time there are service cuts or fare increases, you see some of the stupidest quotes from the "man on the street" in the newspaper and on TV. The man on the street doesn't understand the issue and just wants to vent. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 21 17:47:52 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 17:32:51 2011. I take criticism very well when someone can criticize with facts, which my critics have not been able to do. They just make broad statements like "You're wrong", or "You don't have the facts", "You hate the MTA", "You don't like criticism", "You haven't ridden on the SBS, so you don't know what you are talking about". Your writing has been criticized with facts and logical reasoning and you have not taken it well at all. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 18:00:31 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 21 17:31:00 2011. If you disagree with my hypothesis that they distort their data, why aren't you answering my question as to why a peak/ non-peak breakdown was done for LIRR and not for Buses?I definitely do understand the intracacies and tremendous effort that is involved in running the system on a daily basis and the MTA deserves much credit for running the bus system exceedingly well 50% of the time. I just think that is not good enough. And I base that 50% on my own experiences riding buses. Half the time everything runs perfectly or near perfectly. The other half the time it fails miserably. Your view all depends on your expectations. I'm not sure what facts and names you want me to provide, but the one time I used the phrase "my sources" was because I am sure that source would not appreciate losing his job over what he told me. If you don't want to believe me, that's fine but until you can come up with the facts to disprove anything I've said you don't have a case. The MTA has not proven that existing SBS routes have been successful. They have stated that SBS ridership has increased 10 or 20% over Limited. That does not prove success if you can't also tell me where those riders have come from or performed a survey to ascertain if they were new trips not made before. They even admitted that sone of that increase was riders diverted from locals. That would not constitute improvement if the switch was due to downgrading local service. Where is the number showing the number of reduced automobile trips due to SBS. That would be considered success. Didn't see it in any of the MTA's reports. I am not saying SBS has not been a success, only that reduced bus travel time and increased riding on SBS routes are insufficient measures to determine success. Success is determined by reduction in trip times someone makes door to door including walking and fewer auto trips as a result of SBS as well as reduced operating expenses. The MTA has only proven the last one and nothing more. Until the MTA can show that the increased ridership has not come from parallel bus and subway routes, they cannot claim success. They are making the claim, so the onus is on them to prove it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 18:05:46 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 21 17:45:54 2011. http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/f90/33rd-aniversary-southwest-brooklyn-bus-route-changes-nov-12th-33137.htmlThese are not the men on the street. They are sophisticated bus users. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Mon Nov 21 18:10:13 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 13:48:00 2011. Bx20 was savedBx10 late night service was saved Country Club managed to get bus routes changed due to complaints |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 18:31:22 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Mon Nov 21 18:10:13 2011. Bx20 was savedBx10 late night service was saved Riverdale has less political clout, but more ridership to back it up. Country Club managed to get bus routes changed due to complaints So did East New York riders when they felt unsafe transferring between the B14 and B15 at night. Same with Cambria Heights residents and the Q83 at night. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 21 19:02:42 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 18:00:31 2011. Then why are you scared of riding the SBS lines and see for yourself? Scared to see your hypothesis go the way of the dodo? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 19:39:42 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Nov 21 19:02:42 2011. Who said I was scared? I just don't feel like making a special trip to Manhattan or the Bronx. Also, why would it even matter? I might think the ride is fast, but never having ridden the M15 or M15 limited before, I wouldn't even know. Actually, I think I did ride the M15 once maybe 20 years ago, but have no recollection of the ride.As I've stated, the B44 will be much different than either of the other two. For one thing, locals will use regular buses not arctics, and the SBS will use a different street than the local. Those two facts alone will make it difficult it to make comparisons to the existing SBS routes. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Mon Nov 21 22:03:51 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 16:44:03 2011. Yes, ridership is heavy for the B44/B44LTD to the A compared to taking the 2 train along Nostrand.On the other side, more people take the B46/B46 LTD to 3/4 trains than to the A, but I noticed an increase of A train to B46 transfers. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 22:10:42 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 16:44:03 2011. Then maybe it should quickly loop around New York Avenue between Atlantic and Fulton. Like I said before, you could always build a new Bedford Avenue exit, especially since the neighborhood is gentrifying and becoming safer. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 21 22:51:01 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 21 17:41:03 2011. Brah..you keep doing what you do.To hell with them. you have to know what your talking about from YOUR PROSPECTIVE since you worked there for so long. That's the problem with "transit fans"..they scrap the bottom of the barrel like bottom feeders looking for SOMETHING to feed off..present something to them..that's not enough.. the KNOW IT ALL..MASTER ARMCHAIR PLANNERS WITH THEIR HAND DRAWN MAPS..RAIL-FAN WINDOW VIDEO CAMERAS STINK ASS ATTITUDE WITH DREAMS OF GRANDEUR know more about YOUR JOB than you. telling you in a awesome display nervy bullshit that YOU don't have a clue. Lets cut through the chase,shall we? you honestly don't have to defend yourself to the rabble because they don't like HOW you put your articles together..nor do you have to defend your position to these lazy bitches who dont want to do the foot work..nor against the particular version of turtle that loves to feed on his own regurgitation often.. continue to do what you love doing..screw the haters. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 21 22:54:19 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 16:15:58 2011. There are subway entrances at NE and SE corners of Bedford and Fulton, just tear down the false walls at the northern end of Nostrand, fix up the passageways and you have reopened entrances to directly access the northbound B44SBS+ |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Nov 21 22:58:00 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 22:10:42 2011. The exits already exist, they're just sealed up. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 23:15:36 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 21 22:51:01 2011. Excellent post, I agree with you a lot. BrooklynBus is very credible and respectful and has nothing to prove to anyone that doesn't reciprocate that respect. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 23:22:20 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 21 22:54:19 2011. Awesome, hopefully the MTA does just that when the SBS starts since that neighborhood is changing for the better. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 21 23:25:36 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 23:15:36 2011. exactly...I even expect a nasty response to my post..but I really dont give a crap..meaning how much they van kiss my ass. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Nov 21 23:37:26 2011, in response to Re: How the MTA is Destroying the Local Bus System, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 21 23:25:36 2011. No doubt man, you can handle it though. |
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