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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 11:40:01 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 11:17:46 2011. You would be giving bus service a huge disadvantage by having all of them sent behind the mall, regardless of whether the area behind the mall is residential.As for the S79 Limited, having the route run all day on weekdays would be a waste. Ridership during middays is weak; this is evident in the frequency reduction that occurred back in April, reducing the frequency from 15 minutes to 20. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 12:12:48 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 09:24:19 2011. The census doesn't take into account the large number of illegal mexican and guatamalen immigrants in Port Richmond. In fact, I believe the city as a whole has been severely undercounted. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 12:18:00 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 11:03:55 2011. All the busses that serve the mall should run on Marsh, or on Ring at the backside of the mall, as that's where the homes and schools are. It makes no difference if the mall passengers board at the front or rear of the mall. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 12:45:42 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 12:18:00 2011. I'm 50/50 on that one as not all of the bus routes should run along Marsh Avenue. Some of them, yes, but not all. Besides, the bus stops in front of the mall run on a street in which is used by mall-goers and not a main thoroughfare like Richmond Avenue or Marsh Avenue. The buses would be prone to delays and result in unanticipated added trip times.In addition, Ring Road doesn't run completely behind the mall in the back as it's cut off by the JCPenney, and is not wide enough for regular traffic like Ring Road is in the front. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 13:43:21 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 11:40:01 2011. How is sending them all behind the mall a bad idea? The entrances to the mall are roughly the same distance from Ring Road as from Marsh Avenue.The S79 limited would run all day under my plan, with no local service except for the 30 minute service on the S79A, so its not a waste as it is actually saving some money (having the limited run means that buses can complete their runs faster, which saves money). Plus, the faster limited-stop service along Hylan Blvd might attract some additional ridership. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 13:44:48 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 12:12:48 2011. Which further proves my point. I would assume that most of any undercounting that occurred was done in North Shore areas, which means that the population growth was larger than was stated. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 14:01:26 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 12:45:42 2011. Marsh Avenue isn't a major thoroughfare, but the issue with traffic during school hours could be resolved by having a couple of trips start from Richmond Avenue/Richmond Hill Road during those hours (so riders further down Richmond Avenue aren't delayed and potentially flagged by buses).Ring Road does run completely behind the mall, and is the same width as Ring Road is in the front. If you're worried that there is too much traffic on Marsh Avenue, the back of Ring Road would be a good compromise. The issue of Marsh Avenue being a wider street (and a harder street to cross) can be resolved by putting in an extra traffic light near the Elmwood Park Drive and/or Windham Loop stops. Plus, routing all of the buses onto Marsh Avenue would result in more people taking the S89, so the experiences people have with being stuck in traffic in the area would be cancelled out by the times when the trip times where improved by taking the S89. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 14:14:52 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 13:43:21 2011. There is no need for midday limited service on the S79. The route is already fast during the middays as it is because the stops between Nelson Avenue and along Great Kills Park to Tysens Lane are underused. You would be running a limited service basically on an half-hourly schedule.The closest that limited service would be needed on the S79 during middays is beginning at 2:00, but no earlier. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 14:17:42 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 14:14:52 2011. But the problem is that the service pattern would become too confusing. You'd have limited-only service rush hours and weekends, and local-only service during middays and evenings. That, plus there would be the S79A confusing riders further. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 14:25:50 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 14:01:26 2011. You're right about Ring Road behind the mall...I must have been thinking about the parking lanes or something else. You're wrong about the widths though: Ring Road behind the mall is two lanes wide, one per direction; Ring Road in front of the mall is four lanes wide, two per direction.Like I said I'm 50/50 with buses on Marsh Avenue, but you'd be leaving the stores in front of the mall ALONG Richmond Avenue (Burger King, the soon-to-be Dick's Sporting Goods, and Starbucks) with little service. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 14:44:12 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 07:23:17 2011. LOL. I'm done. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 14:44:55 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 14:17:42 2011. But the problem is that the service pattern would become too confusing. You'd have limited-only service rush hours and weekendsHow would it be confusing? The limited service would be running when it is needed and not for just a luxury or to throw away money. and local-only service during middays and evenings. Local service would run on weekends as well in tandem with the limited service. That, plus there would be the S79A confusing riders further. The main purpose for the S79A would be to provide Giffords Lane some sort of service when the S54 is not running, which, under my plan, would be truncated to Seaview Hospital during off-peak periods so weekend service could be reinstated. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 14:45:35 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 07:23:17 2011. +1 |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 14:45:45 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 07:25:37 2011. LOL |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 14:54:35 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 14:45:45 2011. Seriously, what's with you two? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 15:09:50 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 14:54:35 2011. Hank is a pseudo-intellectual that is saying a lot of disrespectful things that would get him an ass whooping if he said it to most guys faces, which is probably why he only says those things on this board. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 15:55:03 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 14:25:50 2011. You're right. South of that place where the S55/S56/S79 terminate, it becomes one lane in each direction.As far as the other stores go, you have to consider that there are stores behind the mall that would be getting extra service (plus, that shopping center with the Stop & Shop would get extra service). Also, customers can still walk over 2 blocks from Burger King and Starbucks over to Richmond Hill Road to get the Richmond Avenue buses. Another suggestion would be to make the buses travel along Marsh Avenue and Richmond Hill Road, and then turn down Ring Road near those apartment buildings and have a stop by the back of that shopping plaza with the Vitamin Shoppe and Starbucks. The problem is that that might be a little too circuitous. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 16:06:26 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 14:44:55 2011. The main purpose for the S79A would be to provide Giffords Lane some sort of service when the S54 is not running, which, under my plan, would be truncated to Seaview Hospital during off-peak periods so weekend service could be reinstated. 1) Having the S79 run limited would save money, not throw it away, since it would be able to run faster. It would probably attract additional ridership and revenue. 2) The frequency of the S79 is too low to run both a local and limited-stop service on the weekends. 3) What the MTA could do is the following: Run the S54 from Seaview Hospital to St. George at frequencies required to meet the ferry (ridership should increase from the connections available at St. George). Extend service to Giffords Lane every 30 minutes during rush hours. Run the S79A full-time every 30 minutes, so that Giffords Lane gets rush hours service roughly every 15 minutes. Off-peak, there would still be the S79A and S79 limited. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 16:12:03 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 14:01:26 2011. There's already three lights between Platinum and Richmond Hill Road; one at the mall emterance between Elmwood Park Dr and Windham Loop, and two more at the school entrances (which are now exits) |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 16:13:24 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 15:55:03 2011. That's the reverse of what the 79 does. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 16:14:20 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 15:55:03 2011. So you'd be willing to take away service from the stores in the front of the mall and give all service to the stores in the back of the mall?Don't get me wrong, I agree that extra service behind the mall would help, but don't place ALL the buses along Marsh Avenue. If anything, just reroute one bus from in front of the mall and place it in the back. I would actually send the S59 to operate via Marsh Avenue as it already has its Limited S89 variant serving the back of the mall, but that's only during rush hours. The S61 serves behind the mall but only goes as far as the K-Mart, and the S55/56 only operate weekdays, so service behind the mall right now is inadequate, yes. But only one route at most needs to be shifted. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 16:19:34 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 15:09:50 2011. No, I'd say it to your face, too. And what's with the buzzword 'pseudo-intellectual' and you? Was it on your word-of-the-day calendar this week? You don't know what your talking about when it comes to Staten Island, and I called you on it repeatedly. Nothing I said was disrespectful until you started hurling insults at me instead of actual counter-arguments. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 16:27:40 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 16:19:34 2011. Oh really? Would you be willing to meet in my area so you can say the things you said in this thread to my face? Again, don't quit your day job, and you know nothing about me and have proved nothing about me although I have exposed and roasted you and will continue to do so if you continue to disrespect me. You disrespected me to start this off by saying I know nothing about what I'm talking about without initially providing a counter-argument. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 16:28:14 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 16:14:20 2011. You say stores 'in front' of the mall will lose service in favor of those in back when that is very far from the case. The Staten Island Mall is an indoor mall; the only stores you can identify in the mall from the front are Burger King, Sears and Macy's. No one is taking the bus just to go to Burger King. From the rear, you have Sears, JCPenney, Macy's, Babies R Us, and five major chain restaurants. There are actually more entrances to the mall from the rear than from the front.If you loop the buses around the mall to exit the same place the currently do to enter Richmond Ave, or even use Ring Road as the loop they use to turn around, you serve all the same places. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 16:31:45 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 16:06:26 2011. 1) Having the S79 run limited would save money, not throw it away, since it would be able to run faster. It would probably attract additional ridership and revenue.What I am saying is the S79 Local is already fast during middays so putting limited service during middays when the service is already "fast" will provide little to no benefits at all. That would be throwing away money. 2) The frequency of the S79 is too low to run both a local and limited-stop service on the weekends. This is where you've contradicted yourself. Weekend S79 service has more usage than weekday midday S79 service. The frequency of the S79 proves that. On weekends, limited S79 frequency would be every 8-10 minutes on Saturdays and 10 minutes on Sundays, whereas local S79 service would operate every 15 minutes, as the limited-stop zone on the S79 would not begin until Hylan/Richmond and run limited until Hylan/Steuben, meaning frequency on the S79 Locals and Limited's between New Springville and Richmond/Hylan would be on an average of 6-8 minutes. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 16:35:13 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 16:27:40 2011. And I continue to assert that you don't know anything about what you're speaking. You continue to prove it. I'm not meeting you in 'your area' just so you can take your anger at the world out on me.If you think bring told you're ill-informed is disrespectful, you've got more growing up to do than most teenagers. I can infer enough about you from your last weeks worth of posts. I suggest you find a good therapist who can help you with your issues. As I said before, show me credentials that qualify you as an urban planner, transportation engineer, or similar field of study, and I'll accept that you may know what you're talking about. Until then, you're limited casual observations don't mean anything in the face of a lifetime of experience living on Staten Island. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 16:39:46 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 16:35:13 2011. Lol my argument is done then, you're exactly who I think and said you are. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 16:40:35 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 16:39:46 2011. Awww man, I was about to get the popcorn ready! Hahahaha |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 16:46:42 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 16:28:14 2011. Lol, I know no one is taking the bus just to go to Burger King.The point I'm trying to make is to not reroute the buses behind the mall just for the reason being that there are houses and schools behind the mall. Not everyone who lives along Marsh Avenue even use the buses anyway. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 16:49:22 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 16:39:46 2011. And you the same. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 16:52:54 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 16:40:35 2011. I wanted to add his ass whooping to a a barbecue day I'm having at Prospect Park soon with a couple of friends, but I guess I'll have to settle for my friend's kick ass potato salad. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 16:53:21 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 16:46:42 2011. Not everyone, but that's where I board every day, and I assure you, there's plenty of people there taking the bus, particularly the 61/91 and the 79. The 55/56, not so much. And I've yet to see anyone take the x31 from there. The route is too circuitous to midtown or downtown, given the x17 also passes those stops. |
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Posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 17:00:55 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 16:52:54 2011. Ah, so you're just another thug. Got it. That's actually worse than I thought. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 17:03:19 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 16:52:54 2011. Okay then.... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 17:13:36 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank eisenstein on Sun Jun 5 17:00:55 2011. Good, now stop reading my posts you lame. |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 17:49:43 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 17:13:36 2011. I'll read and respond to what I feel like. If you don't want me to read what you write, I suggest you stop writing. I'll understand if you don't, it's not a reasonable request. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 18:38:52 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 17:49:43 2011. Lol, and displease my biggest fans like you? Of course you can't resist reading my wonderful posts. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 18:42:44 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 16:14:20 2011. Yes I would because that it where most of the action is. You have to remember that very few people are actually destined for Burger King or Starbuck's: They stop there on their way to/from the mall. Those people would only have to walk a couple of extra blocks to access the S44 and S59.I wouldn't split the S44/S59 up. Either they both serve Marsh Avenue or they both serve Ring Road. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 18:45:21 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 09:34:21 2011. St. Pauls Avenue is in a very hilly area of Stapleton, which is why it has the S78.I know why it's there, just don't see that many people there use it. As far as the movie theater goes, it is fairly close to the residential areas in Mariners' Harbor. When I'm on the S46, I see that a lot of the people getting on within Mariners' Harbor are going south of Forest Avenue. I think it has to do with all the turns slowing it down and the fact that the S46 runs every 12-15 minutes, making it more feasable to walk for trips within the neighorhood. The Mariners' Harbor Houses are less than a 15 minute walk (I've walked it myself) from the movie theater, so any demand would come from areas further east. True. What do you think about my routing of the S40 down there to connect Arlington with West Shore Plaza? I know SIR said that it should stay the same. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 18:45:55 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 16:46:42 2011. No, but, during school hours, there are plenty of students who use those buses. I don't know how it is coming from the south, but coming from the north, there are a lot of people going to the schools nearby, and there are people living in the neighborhood going to the schools further north.You never know if there is untapped demand from Marsh Avenue. The S61/S91 are really only useful to reach St. George, and possibly CSI, but the S44/S59 serve more popular destinations on Richmond Avenue. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 18:51:19 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 16:31:45 2011. You're not throwing away money if you are saving money! Having a bus run limited is cheaper than having it run local. If there is very low ridership at those stops near Great Kills Park, you're confusing a lot of people just so a handful of riders at the local stops can have service.Under your plan, you would add service, which would cost more money. My plan is to make it cost-neutral by turning existing local buses into limited-stop buses. The S79 currently runs every 8-10 minutes on the weekends, so you would be adding extra service that is unnecessary, considering the fact that the S79 also shares its route with the S59 and S78, which provide additional frequency. Under your plan, between the S78 and S79, the limited stops on Hylan Blvd would see service roughly every 4 minutes on the weekends, which is overkill. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 18:55:58 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 18:45:21 2011. True. What do you think about my routing of the S40 down there to connect Arlington with West Shore Plaza? I know SIR said that it should stay the same.I agree with SIR. Diverting it would allow it to serve the Arlington Terrace Apartments, but it would slow down the trip for people south of Arlington Place. Remember that a lot of people take the S40 over the S46 and S48 because it is faster, and you want to give the S40 as much of an advantage as possible (obviously, even after the short diversion through Arlington, it would still be faster than the S46 and S48, but I still don't think it should be slowed down). |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 19:00:51 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 10:03:59 2011. As far as Richmondtown goes, I would say that it is like Giffords Lane (on the weekends): There is the S74 at the northern end and the SIR at the southern end. What I would do is have the S54 serve Clarke Avenue rather than Richmond Road, but obviously that can't be done if you want it to serve New Dorp.I saw more ridership potential coming from New Dorp than Giffords Lane. I remember JAzumah saying that the S54 is merely a "gap-filler", but I just thought that the S79 branch could do a better job serving the Giffords Lane area, and I'm not sure how just cutting it back to Seaview Hospital would be a better scenario than the current situation. The problem with SI Hospital South is that there aren't any major trip generators nearby. Connecting a hospital with a train that runs infrequently (the SIR) is going to yield a very low ridership route. I think there is nothing that could be done to serve that area: People will have to walk 5 minutes to Hylan Blvd, where they have the S55, S56, S59 (rush hours), and S78. True. I know that a lot of Hospital employees just drive because I don't see many of them using the bus, but I thought that a bus connecting to the SIR would attract workers from the more transit-dependent North Shore. The S59 can get crowded at times, but it still has the dubious label of "high student ridership", which is a nice way of saying that there aren't a lot of paying adults riding the route. I've also noticed that, although ridership during rush hour is decent: Generally, there are a few standees, depending on what the scheduling is like (where the S44/S94 and S89 are in relation to the S59) The S59 seems to get decent "normal" ridership north of the mall, but the S44 is usually more crowded. It's south of the mall where you can clearly see where the "high student ridership" label comes from, and is why it doesn't go to Tottenville 24/7 anymore. I wanted to extend the S89 down there to attract any Jersey-bound commuters (the S59 would still make trippers to Tottenville High School) from there that used to take the 144. By the way, if you want a corridor that could really use the service, look at the service road of the SIE between Richmond Avenue and South Avenue. Because it is fairly isolated (there is the SIE on one side of the neighborhood and a forest on the south side of Lamberts Lane on the other side), there is no east-west bus in the area (since it is isolated, it is a long walk to the S48 or S62). I proposed solving this problem by an S93 extension to Arlington, but maybe your S67 would be able to serve that area instead. How would your S93 extension go? I noticed that quite a few people along Watchogue Road used the old S67, and I wanted to "reinvent" the S67 as a route that can get decent turnover in addition to providing Ferry-bound service to Grymes Hill and Willowbrook, and supplementing the S61 and S62. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 19:04:58 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 18:55:58 2011. That's I thought originally, but then I saw that the MTA wanted to eliminate the S40 and replace it with the S53 and thought that maybe it's purpose isn't as important as I had thought. |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:12:59 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 18:38:52 2011. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:13:50 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 18:42:44 2011. Run them up and around, and have them exit the mall exactly where they do now. |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:15:03 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 19:04:58 2011. Where did you see the MTA wanted to replace the 40 with the 53? |
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Posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:21:22 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 5 19:00:51 2011. The 59 never went to Tottenville 24/7. The overnight service always terminated at Hylan Blvd; the north terminal was Forest. There's currently NO service on Richmond Ave overnight, which is a real inconvenience for anyone who would want to use PT overnight and lives between Forest Ave and the SIR; you have to walk from the 48, 62, 74, SIR, or 78, with the biggest gap being between Arthur Kill Rd. and Victory Blvd.When I go to late Mets games, if I miss the last x17 from 57th St, I have to take a cab from the SIR, though lately I've parked near Victory and take the 62 back to my car. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 19:28:46 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 5 18:51:19 2011. Now here is where you are missing the big picture: the S79 +SBS would be the first bus route out of the Bx12 and M15 in which the route did not have a limited-stop variant to begin with. The MTA is looking to spend money anyway by speeding the bus route, but as I've said plenty of times, all that is needed is an S79 Limited and that would cost less money than an S79 +SBS. Less money would have to be spent to speed up the bus line, without having to worry about maintenance of the bus stations, and especially less stress over farebeating.You're extremely adamant about keeping these conversions cost-neutral when the S79 +SBS is still on the drawing board. The MTA will have to budget the costs for the added service in the long run as the plan is proposed for 2013. A faster solution is needed immediately, not two years down the road. Hylan Boulevard is one of the heaviest-used thoroughfares in Staten Island and the routes that use the street have ZERO Limited service. And no, express service does not count as no one (at least, in the right mindframe) is purposely going to ride from one end of SI to another for $5.50. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jun 5 19:31:51 2011, in response to Re: Staten Island Fantasy Map (56k), posted by Hank EisenStein on Sun Jun 5 19:15:03 2011. 225075 |
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