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Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation? |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 13 04:21:33 2011, in response to How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Mar 12 20:51:13 2011. Buses as well as their drivers get relieved by another bus and driver when their shift is over (or they go on break). |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Mar 13 06:19:59 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 13 04:21:33 2011. I don't think the S55 and S56 do mid-route shifts now that they're Charleston routes. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 13 08:43:39 2011, in response to How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Mar 12 20:51:13 2011. I'm not sure if it is interlined with the S55 or if it was or if either have anything to do with it. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 13 10:59:46 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Mar 13 06:19:59 2011. WHat do you mean? An S55 or S56 get relieved at either of their respective terminals by another bus and their driver.... |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 13 11:01:33 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 13 08:43:39 2011. The S55 and S56used to interline until September 2007 when the S55 was extended along Bloomingdale Road. Beforehand, an S55 that arrived at Luten/Eylandt would dump its passengers, turn into an S56 and pick up S56 passengers. Same applies vice versa. |
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Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 13 11:06:51 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 13 11:01:33 2011. If up until September 2007 that was the practice, why did they ever change the layout from the original setup of both routes being a loop, one clockwise, the other counterclockwise? |
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Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation? |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 13 11:26:24 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 13 11:06:51 2011. I really don't know. I wonder if what you mentioned had to coincide with the route renumberings in the 90s(?). HOWEVER, the routing of the S55/56's predecessor, the R115, was completely different, as well as its' terminal (because in all technicality, it only had one terminal because it was a loop bus).1964 Staten Island bus map. Courtesy to Hank Eisenstein. The R115's routing started at Johnson Terrace and Seguine Avenue. A bus would either stay on Seguine Avenue (following the S56's pattern) or turn onto Hylan Boulevard (following the S55's pattern). Some differences in today's S55/56 and the R115 was that the bus did not travel along Luten Avenue, which is the street Tottenville High School is located on (the school did not exist at this location until the 1970s). The bus also did not travel along the entire length of Annadale Road, which is what today's S55 does. Last but not least (excluding other minor cosmetic differences in routing), the R115 did not serve Arthir Kill Road/Richmond Avenue or the mall, the latter being completed in the 1970s. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Mar 13 18:27:50 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 13 10:59:46 2011. I thought you meant mid-route reliefs, I did forget that the S55 and S56 could interline at the mall though. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Mar 13 18:28:32 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 13 08:43:39 2011. 4 buses for a route with 27 minutes running time is a waste of money. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Mar 13 18:28:55 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Mar 13 18:28:32 2011. *with 27 minutes running time & 30 minute headways. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Mar 13 18:30:17 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 13 11:26:24 2011. I like the R115's routing straight up Rossville Avenue & Seguine Avenue. It gives the apartment complexes in Rossville direct access to the SIR and hospital, and gives hospital employees direct access to the SIR. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 13 22:22:46 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Mar 13 18:27:50 2011. No, not mid-route reliefs...but the S55 and S56 don't interline at the mall, last time I remember. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Mar 13 22:29:43 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 13 04:21:33 2011. Depends on the route and garage---most service at SI Division is pull-in and pull-out, although some routes do have mid-route reliefs. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 14:47:25 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by LRG5784 on Sun Mar 13 22:22:46 2011. They used to, before the 55 was extended. The 55 would become the 56 and vice-versa at each terminal. As they passed the south terminal, they would simply change the sign and keep going. At the mall, they usually would layover 10-20 minutes, then go back out as the opposite route they came in as. When I took it last, it was a 40 minute headway on each, which they 'sold' as 20 minutes because of the section where the two routes overlapped.I remember when the 55 went one way on a loop, and the 56 went the other... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 14 14:49:36 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 14:47:25 2011. yup...i remember that..really weird..but the south shore had very little local bus service back then.. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 14:49:48 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Mar 13 22:29:43 2011. The 59 does as it passes Yukon. Don't know if you'd call the 79 a mid-route, even though it's terminal is the mall around the corner. The 44 and 61 also do relief at Yukon. The 74 does it at the transit center. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Mar 14 14:51:22 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 14:47:25 2011. Thanks for explaining. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 14 14:52:39 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 14:47:25 2011. So the S56 really uses 4 buses, and has a running time of 27 minutes, what a waste! |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Mar 14 14:56:49 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 14 14:52:39 2011. It's not a waste like some of the LI Bus routes which run every hour and pick up very little people. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 14:57:45 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Mar 13 11:06:51 2011. They changed the routing to better serve the neighborhoods, and give the route a purpose other than bringing students to Tottenville HS. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 15:05:12 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Mar 13 18:30:17 2011. What apartment complexes? When it was the 115, the area it served was 95% farmland. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 15:15:10 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 14 14:49:36 2011. Yeah...and really, it still does, though the reroutes of the 55 and 74 help a lot.Used to be the loop that was the 115, the Tottenville branch of the 103, and the 113, and the whole area in between was unserved. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 14 15:15:18 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 14:57:45 2011. And what purpose is that? Until douchebaggery becomes a crime, there's no reason for someone in the uppity South Shore to want to visit the Arthur Kill Correctional Facility. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 14 15:17:07 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 15:05:12 2011. I'm talking about today. Rossville Avenue is probably the only residential area past Richmond Avenue that regularly uses a local bus, and I'm pretty sure that they'd utilize a bus to the SIR and hospital if they utilize the S74. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 15:17:35 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 14 15:15:18 2011. Ha! That's the NEW extension. The original reroute away from the clockwise/counter-clockwise loop was rearranging both the 55 and 56 to serve the Mall.I used the 55 a lot back before they cut the route to 40 minute headways and a 7pm end time. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 15:23:06 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 14 15:17:07 2011. I doubt it. It's car town over there. The bus is for getting to the city, or for those high-school kids whose parents don't hover over them enough to drive them. The hospital isn't as big a destination as you'd think from that area.And they can still take the 74 to the 55 for either destination. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 15:23:40 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 14 15:17:07 2011. I doubt it. It's car town over there. The bus is for getting to the city, or for those high-school kids whose parents don't hover over them enough to drive them. The hospital isn't as big a destination as you'd think from that area.And they can still take the 74 to the 55 for either destination. And WHAT apartment complexes? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 14 15:25:32 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 14 15:17:07 2011. Forgot about Tottenville. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 14 15:35:17 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 15:23:40 2011. I doubt it. It's car town over there. The bus is for getting to the city, or for those high-school kids whose parents don't hover over them enough to drive them. The hospital isn't as big a destination as you'd think from that area.I see, thanks, I haven't been down there in a while. And they can still take the 74 to the 55 for either destination. Be real now, IINM both routes run 30 minutes all day, so bad timing and/or a missed connection can result in 60 minutes added to the traveling time. And WHAT apartment complexes? I believe that there are apartments near Rossville Avenue, Huguenot Avenue and Arden Avenue. I was actually looking to move to an apartment in the area years ago before I found that I'm probably not welcome there. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Mar 14 16:35:29 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 15:17:35 2011. It used to end around 10:00 I believe, right? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 16:37:54 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Mar 14 15:35:17 2011. There aren't many apartment complexes on the south shore. Some garden apartments, but most apartments are in two-family homes, or illegally converted basements and garages.As for missing your connection...again, it's car town. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 16:39:37 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by LRG5784 on Mon Mar 14 16:35:29 2011. Yeah, about an hour after the mall's closing time. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Mar 14 19:05:12 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 16:39:37 2011. Thanks. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Mar 14 19:13:41 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 15:17:35 2011. But my question is why break the clockwise / counter-clockwise arrangement only because the mall opened? Both routes could have begun and end at the mall, only one would go clockwise and the other counter-clockwise. (I know it doesn't matter anymore with the newest S55 extension, but before then, if S55s were just becoming S56s and vice versa and, in effect, doing loops anyway, why bother making everyone get off at a certain point and taking the option of using either one away from mall-goers)? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 15 01:39:52 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 15:15:10 2011. right!I remember those days..the loop bus was your best bet if you want west shore places from the south shore.. |
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Posted by hound on Tue Mar 15 02:38:53 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Mar 14 15:15:10 2011. Wasn't there also a 116? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Mar 15 10:35:26 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Mar 14 19:13:41 2011. The mall existed...you were allowed to ride through at the south end, since the buses didn't layover there, but they did layover at the Mall end of the route, so you had to get off there.The loop was broken and BOTH the 55 and 56 had major route changes. The 56 to Luten ave also took longer than the 55, and when they ran every 30 minutes, you had a 15-minute wait at the mall for a bus. Depending on where along either route you were going, the wait was less than the total trip time. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Mar 15 10:45:57 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by hound on Tue Mar 15 02:38:53 2011. Not that I'm aware of. It's not on the 1969 map, that's for sure.Another thing about the 115, it ran in one direction in the AM hours, and the opposite in the PM hours. Never both at the same time. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Tue Mar 15 10:47:26 2011, in response to Re: How many buses does the S56 require for normal operation?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Mar 15 10:45:57 2011. Didn't know that, thanks for throwing that out there. |
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