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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 18 17:21:03 2011 Here is another set of teasers from the new Brazil section at my website.Curitiba is known worldwide for its BRT system featuring dedicated bus lanes and signal prioritization in corridors that connect nearly every part of the city. Additionally, fares are prepaid at high level platforms to expedite boarding. As a result of these innovations to make buses the fastest mode of transport in the city, about 2.3 million one way trips are made on the Curitiba Rede Integrada de Transporte each day in a city where the entire metropolitan area has under 4 million residents. I didn't actually ride any of the BRT routes proper. (I did ride the tourist loop, which operates every 30 minutes and you buy a ticket good for 5 boardings, so you can get off at any one of about 20 stops throughout the city and then get on a later bus to continue around the loop. The bus also makes announcements describing each stop and passing points of interest in Portuguese, Spanish, and English.) There are different types of buses that make up different parts of the network, and buses are painted according to what type of route they operate on (i.e. express routes (red bi-articulated buses), direct lines (silver buses), and so on. I also had the pleasure of having a one on one meeting with former Curitiba mayor and Parana state governor Jaime Lerner. I heard him speak at the Jerusalem Municipality a little bit over a year ago, though I was familiar with the concepts that exist in Curitiba prior to that presentation. However, it turns out that his sister-in-law is the administrative assistant at the Masorti (Conservative) synagogue in Curitiba, so when I emailed to inquire about attending Shabbat services there and she asked me what I was doing in Curitiba and why I chose to visit there, offered to see if the former mayor would have time to meet with me. As a result, I had a conversation with the former mayor where I got to ask him some questions about topics that he doesn't typically address in his formal presentations, and he offered me his opinion of the Jerusalem LRT system that is currently under construction. Anyway, here are photos:           Boarding platforms:     Tourist bus:  Obrigado por olhar! (Thanks for looking!) |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by insidetransitcom on Tue Jan 18 17:58:44 2011, in response to PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 18 17:21:03 2011. i have never seen a bus like that with the high door that goes up against a platform of some sortwhy would they do this? then the bus can't open it's doors anywhere else? |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 18 18:30:27 2011, in response to PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 18 17:21:03 2011. Very nice! |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 18 18:31:14 2011, in response to Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by insidetransitcom on Tue Jan 18 17:58:44 2011. It's no different than high floor Light Rail vehicles... |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 18 19:41:01 2011, in response to Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 18 18:30:27 2011. Yes,fine information! |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Jan 18 20:07:13 2011, in response to PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 18 17:21:03 2011. Great photographs and information. Looking at Curitiba and knowing they transport about 85% of the population, it makes you wonder if we're doing the right think by throwing millions of dollars into streetcar lines and LRT. Some of the recent LRT lines (Pheonix and Houston come to mind) travel at such a slow pace as they basically run "in the street" but in their own ROW. |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by MCI D4000 81994 on Tue Jan 18 22:34:38 2011, in response to PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 18 17:21:03 2011. I seem to remember something similar being tested in NYC in the early 90s. |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 19 06:23:23 2011, in response to Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by MCI D4000 81994 on Tue Jan 18 22:34:38 2011. Someone posted photos of it in the past few weeks. |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 19 06:27:48 2011, in response to Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Jan 18 20:07:13 2011. Former mayor Lerner would say that we are not. He told me in our private meeting the reason they opted for BRT was that at the time of his first term, the mayor was picked by the governor, not democratically elected, and didn't have a set term. As a result, he and his cohorts wanted to implement their progressive policies before they would be removed from office for any reason, and it was far cheaper and easier to build BRT in the long term. He says good BRT can provide just as much coverage and capacity for far cheaper than building a subway or LRT can, and generally pushes that practice.Unfortunately, his book is only in Portuguese, so I don't think I'll be reading it any time soon. |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 19 06:28:01 2011, in response to Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 18 19:41:01 2011. Thanks to both of you! |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 19 06:28:49 2011, in response to Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by insidetransitcom on Tue Jan 18 17:58:44 2011. Because there is significant time savings from having everyone boarding at the level of the bus instead of having to climb up stairs. It is one of the key features of their BRT system. I'm pretty sure low floor buses didn't exist in the 1970s. |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 19 06:39:20 2011, in response to Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 19 06:28:01 2011. I appreciate what you contribute to us here. Buses have a real place in modern transit transit systems. |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 19 07:12:18 2011, in response to Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 19 06:39:20 2011. Well, it is hard to spend nearly 3 weeks in Brazil as a planner/transit fan and NOT go to Curitiba and Brasilia... |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 19 07:17:16 2011, in response to Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 19 07:12:18 2011. IAWTP. |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 19 09:05:52 2011, in response to Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 19 07:17:16 2011. I'm thinking I'll post some of my Brasilia non-transit photos over on OTChat later tonight or tomorrow (my time). They ought to interest many people here. |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 19 09:43:36 2011, in response to Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 19 09:05:52 2011. Sounds good, you are a pleasure to deal with. |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 19 16:21:42 2011, in response to Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 19 09:43:36 2011. Here you go... |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Jan 20 21:14:58 2011, in response to Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Jan 19 06:27:48 2011. But that's also with labor costs and a standard of living far below ours. It's a lot easier to maintain those buses and equip them with drivers when the per capita income is about 10,000 dollars. We'd be hard pressed to pay the healthcare benefits alone of the workforce required to keep a bus fleet of that type operating. |
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Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Jan 21 03:34:45 2011, in response to Re: PHOTOS of Curitiba's BRT System (Brazil), posted by WillD on Thu Jan 20 21:14:58 2011. Even when you factor in the differences in cost of construction of the systems? |
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