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| (193510) | |
Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Apr 24 01:43:54 2010, in response to BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Fri Apr 23 18:50:09 2010. It would be the BxM4A. Remember, the BxM4A dies on Sunday, June 27. Running via the Grand Concourse would add 15 minutes to the run, but would pick up a lot of passengers headed for Empire City. During rush hours, you make the BxM4A a Super Express. Then, you split the route into two zones and three routes:BxM4A: Rush hours to Palmer Road via Concourse Off-peak to White Plains via Concourse BxM4B: As is BxM4C: Rush hours to White Plains vis Super Express No service off-peak In theory, it can work. The question is whether I trust the MTA to operate the BxM4C properly. They could operate and slowly kill the ridership off or they could be smart and use Westchester to offset current BxM4 losses. My faith in Walder is greater than zero, but I am skeptical. Ridership is so weak on the BxM4, however, that it can be reconfigured to help out Westchester. The Concourse can be a fast roadway in comparison to other north/south routes. |
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| (193526) | |
Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by TheHat on Sat Apr 24 11:06:29 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by JAzumah on Sat Apr 24 01:43:54 2010. AS a B/O that drives the BxM4A/B and used to drive the 4C, your 15 mins. is very wrong to operate on the GC with the current traffic light pattern and the fact that the service road now has a bike lane and only one lane for traffic it is a 45-60 min ride from 161 st to 210 st. The bus stop configuration disallows use of the service rd.In the last year the concourse has been slowed signficantly. The offset would be the best answer. But the MTA should make it an equal trip for trip exchange. Less 4C's, but equal to the 4A trips being cut. A very acceptable and gainful proposition. Joel E-mail me if you can. |
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| (193529) | |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sat Apr 24 12:39:18 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheHat on Sat Apr 24 11:06:29 2010. That's a 15 minute addition to the 4C's carded time. The 4C is carded for 27 minutes between 98 Street & McLean Avenue. The actual run time during rush hours is closer to 45 minutes. |
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| (193564) | |
Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sun Apr 25 00:49:55 2010, in response to BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Fri Apr 23 18:50:09 2010. IMO, I think it would be an excellent idea for MTA Bus to pick up the BXM4C. It would be operated out of Yonkers Depot and relabeled as the BXM5. I've rode the BXM4C a few times and it does carry at points. It's also a good alternate to using the MNRR Harlem Line to White Plains as well as taking the W20 bus to Empire City Yonkers Raceway.The only addition that I would make is to terminate the line at the White Plains Transit Center where connections would be available to various Bee Line buses, the Tappan-Zee Express, I-Bus snd MNRR. |
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| (193611) | |
Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Sun Apr 25 17:19:56 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sun Apr 25 00:49:55 2010. I agree that was one of the biggest problems I had with the BxM4C was that its terminal was a good walking distance to the transit center in White Plains, I never understood why it never terminated nearby. It would have been great for me as a good transfer between the I - bus and the BxM 4C |
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| (193612) | |
Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Apr 25 17:35:27 2010, in response to BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Fri Apr 23 18:50:09 2010. A question: Why does a route with no stops in the Bronx need a "Bx" number??? |
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| (193613) | |
Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Apr 25 18:08:05 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Apr 25 17:35:27 2010. It was a franchise tag on to the 4A and 4B. |
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| (193616) | |
Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Sun Apr 25 19:22:17 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sun Apr 25 00:49:55 2010. I agree with you on that except that I do believe the MTA "MIGHT" have a problem IF ended the BxM4C at White Plains Transportation Center. They may need permission to operate out of that terminal (I really don't know but it's possible). CTransit has been operating out of there for years and so has Tappen-Zee Express.Maybe they can end right behind the Tappen-Zee Express layover area at the M.N.R.R Station. That COULD work. |
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| (193617) | |
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Posted by G1RavagesDad on Sun Apr 25 20:00:05 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sun Apr 25 00:49:55 2010. Why would they renumber it to BxM5? Why not keep the current route number? |
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| (193618) | |
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Posted by B1bus on Sun Apr 25 20:14:42 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sun Apr 25 00:49:55 2010. I wrote that into them as a suggestion. THey tried that (I think middays some time ago). I don't think they liked the ridership amounts, though I don't remember the exact answer. |
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| (193619) | |
Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Apr 25 20:28:19 2010, in response to BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Fri Apr 23 18:50:09 2010. Of course, having MTA Bus Company running the route means that its (rather sizable) operating losses would be fully covered by CITY taxpayers.It's bad enough that I have to subsidize Yonkers (through the last 1.5 miles of the BxM3). Is there really a good reason why I should also subsidize Scarsdale and White Plains (plus even more of Yonkers)? |
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| (193620) | |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 25 20:38:18 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by The TransitMan on Sun Apr 25 19:22:17 2010. Currently, there are a few reverse-peak trips that do travel to and from the White Plains Transcenter.TZx lays over by the Galleria. |
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| (193623) | |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sun Apr 25 21:08:41 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Apr 25 17:35:27 2010. it once had a stop in the Bronx before |
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| (193624) | |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sun Apr 25 21:18:59 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Apr 25 20:28:19 2010. The route may not go to White Plains, it is planned to at least run into Yonkers and "have connections with Greenburgh buses"Westchester does pay for open door portions of W45 (Pelham Bit Stables, Bartow Pell Mansion), W54 (238 and 241 St Mundy Lane stops S/B direction), W60, W61, and W62 (Boston Road) in the Bronx. |
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| (193625) | |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sun Apr 25 21:20:21 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Apr 25 20:28:19 2010. The route may not go to White Plains, it is planned to at least run into Yonkers and "have connections with Greenburgh buses"Westchester does pay for open door portions of W45 (Pelham Bit Stables, Bartow Pell Mansion), W54 (238 St and 241 St Mundy Lane stops S/B direction), W60, W61, and W62 (Boston Road) in the Bronx. |
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| (193626) | |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sun Apr 25 21:23:25 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Apr 25 20:28:19 2010. Most of Central [Park] Avenue with the 4A or 4B would have service all day (instead of a few hours 12-2am) on Thanksgiving and Christmas like the BxM3 does now |
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| (193628) | |
Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Apr 25 22:31:10 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by G1RavagesDad on Sun Apr 25 20:00:05 2010. The franchise system is mostly gone. No need to tag routes on to existing franchises. It is easier for the customers if the route numbers are different. |
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| (193629) | |
Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Apr 25 22:32:31 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by B1bus on Sun Apr 25 20:14:42 2010. They did try extending the route and nothing happened except losing recovery time. |
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| (193630) | |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Apr 25 22:34:50 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Sun Apr 25 21:18:59 2010. The route may not go to White Plains, it is planned to at least run into Yonkers and "have connections with Greenburgh buses"That is what I am afraid of. Go hard or go home. |
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| (193631) | |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Apr 25 22:50:39 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Apr 25 20:28:19 2010. Not exactly.A hypothetical BxM4A extension would only be subsidized by the city until the Major Deegan Expressway and 233 Street. The rest would be subsidized by either Westchester and/or the state. For WCDOT, it would be the financial equivalent of adding service on Route 20 to Woodlawn. This is why this deal may have legs. During rush hour, Westchester would NOT need to subsidize the bus at all and some of the cash will flow through to the existing BxM4C operation. There is a chance that this is a WEEKDAY ONLY thing. |
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| (193737) | |
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Posted by JAzumah on Tue Apr 27 10:27:09 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by JAzumah on Sun Apr 25 22:50:39 2010. According to this article, it is the BxM4B and only to the first three Yonkers stops.And the pax are not happy about it |
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| (193767) | |
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Posted by mike nash on Tue Apr 27 19:22:33 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by JAzumah on Tue Apr 27 10:27:09 2010. does this mean that the bxm4b will be saved from discontinuation. |
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| (193772) | |
Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Tue Apr 27 21:03:11 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by mike nash on Tue Apr 27 19:22:33 2010. [does this mean that the bxm4b will be saved from discontinuation.]Go back and read the plan again. The BxM4B was never on the hit list. You're thinking of the BxM4A (the Paul Avenue branch). |
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| (193773) | |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Apr 27 21:14:17 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by JAzumah on Tue Apr 27 10:27:09 2010. Makes sense because Yonkers Avenue is how BxM4 (and BxM11 runs not assigned to Eastchester) use Yonkers Avenue as a run-on and run-off. |
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| (193778) | |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Apr 27 22:10:06 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Apr 27 21:14:17 2010. Adam no BxM11 runs are out of Eastchester as of yet. Only the 4B DHD on Yonkers Ave if they don't DHD on McLean Ave. |
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| (193780) | |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Apr 27 22:57:33 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheHat on Tue Apr 27 22:10:06 2010. Is the BxM11 being transferred though? |
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| (193781) | |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Apr 27 23:08:45 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Apr 27 22:57:33 2010. Not that we are aware of. The only thing for next pick is the elimination of the BxM4A. |
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| (193782) | |
Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Apr 27 23:27:22 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheHat on Tue Apr 27 23:08:45 2010. Ah okay, but it seems to be inertia in the MTA; a run-on from ECH seems a lot easier for the BxM11 than from Yonkers. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Apr 28 00:13:56 2010, in response to Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheHat on Tue Apr 27 22:10:06 2010. TheHat, my e-mail to you bounced. Can you e-mail me?And I'm still surprised that the 4A designation isn't being used and that they are planning to stop at Yonkers Avenue. |
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| (193967) | |
BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Apr 29 15:56:45 2010, in response to BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Fri Apr 23 18:50:09 2010. Compromise Saves BxM4C Express Bus |
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| (193970) | |
Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Apr 29 16:13:14 2010, in response to BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Apr 29 15:56:45 2010. Cool. Not thrilled with losing weekend service and the 3 dollar fare increase, if this is what it takes to keep the service going, so be it! |
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Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Apr 29 16:36:46 2010, in response to BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Apr 29 15:56:45 2010. That's garbage. This is a defacto line shutdown. This is a way to eliminate the line without physically throwing people off of the buses. I'm going to fix that.Why do these people think that the public is this stupid? |
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Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Thu Apr 29 16:58:20 2010, in response to BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Apr 29 15:56:45 2010. I hope Metro-North is ready for the bump in ridership that's coming.. |
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Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 29 17:43:32 2010, in response to BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Apr 29 15:56:45 2010. Slow death for BxM4C? |
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Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Apr 29 17:57:40 2010, in response to Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 29 17:43:32 2010. Won't be anything slow about it. The fare increase alone would be a 15-20% decrease with no Metro-North nearby. Add in Metro-North and you are looking at 50% or more by December. |
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Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Thu Apr 29 18:09:14 2010, in response to BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Apr 29 15:56:45 2010. There is no guarantee of the route's survival past Dec. 31. Therefore, Astorino will continue his talks with the MTA and state and county officials about regional transportation issues that affect bus operations and funding.mmmhmmm, prepare to start calling the Bee Line routes with a W prefix. Regional, coming soon than we think! |
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Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Apr 29 18:24:14 2010, in response to Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by JAzumah on Thu Apr 29 17:57:40 2010. I thought you were recommending a similar increase, though? The problem is that we don't know that "limited" off-peak service is. |
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Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Apr 29 18:30:19 2010, in response to Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Apr 29 18:24:14 2010. $7 one way.Think about shoulder service (9AM-12PM to Manhattan & 8PM-12AM to Westchester). |
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Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Thu Apr 29 20:03:28 2010, in response to BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Apr 29 15:56:45 2010. Damn, they should've only went to $7 vs the $8.50 they decided on. |
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Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Apr 29 21:46:37 2010, in response to BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Fri Apr 23 18:50:09 2010. Do you think that in the end, the MTA will take over bee line period? |
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Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by trav-one on Thu Apr 29 23:21:29 2010, in response to Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by Q101 E. MIDTOWN 2 AV on Thu Apr 29 20:03:28 2010. MTA have to save BxM4C, from rasing the fare from $5.50 to $8.50 that's bad, I remember Westchester buses got the Metrocard back in 2007 (I think) BxM4C fare was from $7 to $5. MTA got to take that route from making the fare go up |
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Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C? |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Apr 30 01:20:19 2010, in response to Re: BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by trav-one on Thu Apr 29 23:21:29 2010. LOL...not going to happen. The whole point is to force everyone on the train. The MTA is not going to run a full length 4C except at gunpoint. This is designed to embarass the riders. When ridership falls by a big number in a short period of time, the route will be shut down at the end of the year. They want everyone on the train.Westchester likes to synchronize its fare increases with the MTA. This means that a fare hike may be in the works for September. |
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What's so horrible about the $8.50 fare? (Re: BxM4C spared (for now)) |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Thu May 6 13:19:20 2010, in response to BxM4C spared (for now) Re: BxM4B to replace BxM4C?, posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Thu Apr 29 15:56:45 2010. I don't get the fuss about the $8.50 fare, other than the fact it is a $3 increase from the current (artificially low) fare. $8.50 is comparable to a Metro-North fares from Westchester. The BxM4C provides value by providing direct service and a premium ride - why shouldn't customers pay for this? |
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Re: What's so horrible about the $8.50 fare? (Re: BxM4C spared (for now)) |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu May 6 13:25:37 2010, in response to What's so horrible about the $8.50 fare? (Re: BxM4C spared (for now)), posted by RailBus63 on Thu May 6 13:19:20 2010. It is more than the railroad. That is the peak hour one way railroad fare. A fare closer to the 10 trip price is more fair if no discounts are available. |
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Re: What's so horrible about the $8.50 fare? (Re: BxM4C spared (for now)) |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Thu May 6 15:05:12 2010, in response to What's so horrible about the $8.50 fare? (Re: BxM4C spared (for now)), posted by RailBus63 on Thu May 6 13:19:20 2010. there porb isn't a way to explain why ppl are making a fuss. |
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