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Posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 31 08:55:49 2009 So far waiting 45 minutes for a bus that is supposed to run every 5. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Thu Dec 31 09:03:54 2009, in response to its just a little snow!, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 31 08:55:49 2009. Oh brother? Didn't the snow tires go on yet?SEPTA is doing alright down here so far. |
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Posted by R160A A Train on Thu Dec 31 09:08:13 2009, in response to its just a little snow!, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 31 08:55:49 2009. Pwned |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Dec 31 09:13:08 2009, in response to its just a little snow!, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 31 08:55:49 2009. I just checked outside... WTF!?!? I knew it was going to snow today but I didn't expect THIS much. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 09:54:00 2009, in response to its just a little snow!, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 31 08:55:49 2009. haha, sucks for you |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 31 10:16:22 2009, in response to its just a little snow!, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 31 08:55:49 2009. Gave up after 65 minutes. Now getting an oil change. Happy new year. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Dec 31 11:21:44 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 31 10:16:22 2009. !The X17? Not ONE in 65 minutes? |
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Posted by Bklyn2NJ on Thu Dec 31 11:48:44 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by JAzumah on Thu Dec 31 11:21:44 2009. I know there were some severe issues on the 495 and accidents on the Turnpike. The bus I was on was stuck 45 minutes on the helix. I felt really bad for those coming in to NY. Traffic was really stuck on the way in... |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Dec 31 12:56:54 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by JAzumah on Thu Dec 31 11:21:44 2009. Not a one. Was out there from 755 to 900. I gave up and went home at 9, I was soaked from melted snow. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 13:15:48 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Dec 31 12:56:54 2009. buses suck |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Thu Dec 31 13:23:35 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 13:15:48 2009. Yeah, slipping on those squished leaves on the running rails really does the in!jrc |
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Posted by QM18Express on Thu Dec 31 13:27:10 2009, in response to its just a little snow!, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 31 08:55:49 2009. No Express buses @ all on the X17A, X17J, or X31? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 13:34:12 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Dec 31 13:23:35 2009. Huh? No comparison! Not even close. I'd much rather have slippery rails every day of the year (along with NYCT's current methods of fighting the problem) than have to ride a bus. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Dec 31 13:48:47 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Dec 31 12:56:54 2009. That figures. Almost everything from 7:30 onwards is somebody's second trip, but there should have been 1 or 2 originators in that time period. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Thu Dec 31 13:55:55 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 13:34:12 2009. Yes, comparison! Sorry, can't win this one. Take LIRR and MNRR; trains stuck with no power, having to substitute BUSES to get people going.NH div with NO OVERHEAD! Get them buses out. Please don't even mention the travesty of NYCT. May provide YOUR bread and butter; a little prejudice, I'd say. jrc |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 14:01:20 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Dec 31 13:55:55 2009. What in the world are you talking about now?? You tried to compare no buses for 90 minutes in the freezing cold and snow to what happens when trains run in the fall over leaves. As I said, that's no comparison, and I'd rather have trains running over leaves EVERY day of the year than have to ride a bus. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Thu Dec 31 14:28:34 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 14:01:20 2009. "What in the world are you talking about now?"Read what I said. I stated there are times when trains leave people stranded for various reasons, some of which I mentioned; Why do you not comprehend that. You've never been in such a situation? Frozen switches; trains can't leave the yard; frozen signals; downed overhead power lines. Come on, already. You said buses suck. Why? What reasons? For every reason a bus "sucks" there are just as many for trains. "...and I'd rather have trains running over leaves EVERY day of the year..." So easy to say. Like the guy with all the bravado, until his draft notice arrives. Geeze, I can't believe I'm arguing a point like I'm anti-rail, which I certainly am not. I just have the ability to see passed the end of my nose. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 14:39:12 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Dec 31 14:28:34 2009. Well now you're changing things. We were just discussing leaves vs snow. Before moving on to different comparisons, you have to first state your position on whether or not you agree that buses in the snow are much much much much worse than trains on leaves. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 31 14:41:46 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by R160A A Train on Thu Dec 31 09:08:13 2009. Those who are waiting in Times Square for the ball to be dropped are the ones that are truly pwned. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 31 14:42:38 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by JAzumah on Thu Dec 31 11:21:44 2009. Staten Island transit (except for the S53) just goes down the crapper whenever it snows. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 14:48:50 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 31 14:42:38 2009. But not SIR, right? |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 31 14:50:28 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 31 14:42:38 2009. Dont even bother to mention the s53 when it rains, snow, wind, traffic, etc. No buses show up at Brooklyn when the lines of people waiting. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 31 14:51:20 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 14:48:50 2009. hmmm, you know its BusChat not SubChat. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Dec 31 14:58:34 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 14:48:50 2009. Depends on how much snow. I can remember them using diesels a few times during heavy snowfall. They run a 2 hour headway at those times. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 31 15:01:08 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 14:48:50 2009. Staten Island Railway usually gets signal problems in the snow which can result in long delays, but other than that not really. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 31 15:02:41 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 31 14:50:28 2009. Really? Even during the snow the S53 seemed to run like clockwork. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 15:36:41 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by JAzumah on Thu Dec 31 14:58:34 2009. Which is rare. The problem being discussed in this subthread is that SI buses get screwed up every time it snows. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 15:37:32 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 31 15:01:08 2009. So once again rail is much better than bus in the snow. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Thu Dec 31 16:12:58 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 14:39:12 2009. No, because you said buses suck. Is that because of snow or just in general, which is usually your take on the subject. If buses suck for NO reason, than trains suck due to leaves. If buses suck because of snow, than you can take all the other reasons I mentioned for rail. See?jc |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 31 16:21:10 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Dec 31 15:02:41 2009. Its probably vary when s53 does show up on time, during or depending the inclement weather situation. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 31 16:23:49 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 15:37:32 2009. You do realize SIR is mostly serve on the south shore. The are lots of bus routes up in the North shore and still no rail service. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 31 16:25:41 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Dec 31 16:12:58 2009. He doesnt even get it. Yet he post pictures of buses... What a flip flop asshole. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Dec 31 21:50:13 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 15:37:32 2009. With this kind of snow, no problem for trains. With just a little snow/ice, the buses are bad becasue the traffic is bad. And the buses have to compete with that traffic.Subways: structures OK, but non structures like the Brighton, Sea Beach, #7 above Queens Blvd., F/G on the viaduct.......after about a foot you start to have problems: trip cocks possibly hitting the snow and BIE's. In theory we have snow blocks but in reality........ At least SIR doesn't have to deal with trip cocks, but once the snow buries the third rail, game over. |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Dec 31 21:51:40 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Dec 31 14:50:28 2009. It's going to depend on VZ bridge traffic, right? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 22:59:11 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Dec 31 16:12:58 2009. Buses suck all the time, trains only suck once in a great while (and even then they don't suck so bad). |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Dec 31 23:10:22 2009, in response to its just a little snow!, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 31 08:55:49 2009. Same thing I had on the B82 today; it got so bad that a bus got sent off the B42 to do a B82 short-turn to Rockaway Parkway station to cover a large gap in service. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Thu Dec 31 23:37:31 2009, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 31 22:59:11 2009. Just your opinion; nothing factual. No surprises here.You're entitled to the opinion, and actually it is expected; your reputation precedes you here. But I'd still like to know why you make that remark, just as you would if someone else on this group made the same baseless statement. There'd be no end to your relentless hounding him. To people in the far reaches of Queens, where there is no rail service, buses don't suck; to people tossed of trains because of broken signals or rails, and issued block tickets, buses don't suck; to people in the hills of Staten Island, buses don't suck; to commuters stuck because of pantograph problems, frozen switches,buses don't suck; when trains don't run because snow is piled high as an elephant's eye, buses don't suck. To me, comparing trains & buses is like the old apples and oranges axiom. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 1 00:46:15 2010, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by r17-6599 on Thu Dec 31 23:37:31 2009. No, buses still suck all of those times. In fact they suck more because they have no trains to ride instead.But in general, buses suck because you usually have to wait outside for them, they are at the mercy of other surface traffic and thus never run on schedule and are always late, they place high g-forces on the riders bodies when they accelerate and stop and turn and there's no good way to hold on usually so it's very uncomfortable, they get stuck in traffic all the time, they're slow, boarding takes forever, it's a pain in the ass to exit them, you never know when they are going to come, there's no way to buy a metrocard, it can be way too hot in there and the windows may be stuck or out of reach, people don't move to the back, there's no destination or route signs on the driver's side, the drivers can pretend they don't see you and drive away, they splash people standing at the curb, they make you step through puddles and snow to get to them if the driver doesn't pull up to the curb, their mirrors can whack people, their motors make the whole back of the bus vibrate uncomfortably, especially at low RPMs, they bunch up - making one bus SRO and another bus virtually empty along the same route at the same time, buses get in other bus's way, they don't pull into bus stops when there are several other buses already there, when they are out of service they take up space in bus stops forcing the in-service buses to stop behind them and making the passengers walk further to their destinations, there's no prominent interior route and destination signs, need I go on? |
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Posted by GOLD_12th on Fri Jan 1 02:42:59 2010, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 1 00:46:15 2010. You complain too much. A lot of your reasons can be applied to trains too.1. "No, buses still suck all of those times." EARTH to Terrapin Station, You gotta get a new brain. Trains are not convenient if there are nearby. Like... Staten Island North Shore... No train, use buses. AGAIN, Trains do suck the same way as Buses. BTW, YOU suck. -------------------------------------------------------------- 2. In fact they suck more because they have no trains to ride instead. Do you want a...  ---------------------------------------------------------------- 3. "buses suck because you usually have to wait outside for them" Umm, trains do suck also when you are outside of the station waiting on the platform if there is a shelter. Inside you have to wait as well... no heat/no ac. Plus, do most of the Subway stations carry timetables.... NO. Yet you still wait to see when the train comes. Example the Queens Boulevard local on a WEEKEND. No G train on Queens Blvd. No problem, wait for the R = Rarely shows up. Alternative... Q60 Bus. Maybe YOU suck because you dont like to waiting for a bus? Wait a minute, how come you said you hate buses? -------------------------------- 4. "they are at the mercy of other surface traffic and thus never run on schedule and are always late" So, does the trains as you said. Subways have been often delay and late, yet can not predicted it. Due to customer assistants, track work, weather related, police, fire, etc.... Trains do bypass stops or just plain stop for a moment or diverted to other lines and riders do get affected. Even track work on the Brighton line when they closed the stations due to station work, riders either board a bus (B3K) or another train to get to their destination. How INCONVENIENT is that! -------------------------------- 5. "they place high g-forces on the riders bodies when they accelerate and stop and turn and there's no good way to hold on usually so it's very uncomfortable" Ahh, so does the trains. They turn and its uncomfortable to hear the shreech noise. Go on a crowded train on a R160 car with out holding your hands on the pole, just standing freely... when it brakes or comes to full stop, you would likely fell down. Some trains jolt and some go sway side to side..... Nothing is a perfect world Terrapin Station.... You must have fell down and hurt your ASS because you didnt hold the pole to tightly so call G-forces. ------------------------------- 6. "there's no good way to hold on usually so it's very uncomfortable" So does the train, example a crowded R160 train. The poles near the seats should be on the middle... BTW, no one uses the middle stretch handrail on top. And yes its very uncomfortable of holding the pole or the handrail while you standing on the train moving. -------------------------------- 7. "they get stuck in traffic all the time," So does the trains. You can get stuck at the terminal, like Coney Island, Flatbush Avenue... or a Major transfer station, like Dekalb Avenue, Columbus Circle, Franklin Avenue... and many more. ---------------------------------- 8. "they're slow, boarding takes forever" Ah so does the trains, it takes lots of time boarding and de-boarding at the same rate, plus people hold the doors---trains get delay. Not on buses where you can not even hold the doors to get in. ----------------------------------- 9. "it's a pain in the ass to exit them," Ah, so does the trains, crowded train means you have to get a game plan to get the location to the door like buses. ---------------------------------- 10. "you never know when they are going to come," Ah, so does the trains, Most of the stations carry which trains arrive display at the station entrance. Yet do they work all the time? Sometimes. Do they post timetables on all the station? No, if you lucky to find one. Yet MAJORITY of the people still have to wait on the platform not bother reading which train is coming. ---------------------------------- 11. "there's no way to buy a metrocard" Your point is..... There are many places to buy a MetroCard. Buses accept coins up front, not like trains. ------------------------------------ 12. "it can be way too hot in there" So, take your clothes off. All buses and trains are automatic AC. -------------------------------------- 13. "the windows may be stuck or out of reach," Again, take your clothes off. All buses and trains are automatic AC. ---------------------------------------- 14. "people don't move to the back" So does the trains, people dont move away from the doors when they lean on it and block by incoming and outgoing passengers. Plus people dont like to move places when there are open spaces. ---------------------------------------- 15. "there's no destination or route signs on the driver's side" There is no reason to do that. If you on the driver side of the street. You have many views to see the destination signs on the nose and the route sign on the rear of the bus. ------------------------------------------ 16. "the drivers can pretend they don't see you and drive away" Not all Bus operators do that unless there is a GOOD reason. Probably they want to avoid YOU. ------------------------------------------- 17. "they splash people standing at the curb," No, its the people who are standing should be more careful. Maybe they splash YOU intentionally. --------------------------------------------- 18. "they make you step through puddles and snow to get to them if the driver doesn't pull up to the curb" And.... so does the trains do when are outside of the platform there puddles that are deep, snow that didnt shovel. Plus going to the inside and outside of the station, you can get your shoes and pants dirty by walking through the slush and the puddles. -------------------------------------------- 19. "their mirrors can whack people" Because they people stand on top of the curb and either they dont see the bus coming to park at the bus stop or ddint pay attention at all. Did YOU get whack by a mirror? --------------------------------------------- 20. "their motors make the whole back of the bus vibrate uncomfortably, especially at low RPMs" So does the trains, trains vibrate all the time with lots of motors. - Simple solution, Dont sit at the rear seats. WOMAN loves to sit at the rear seats to warm their butts up. -------------------------------------------- 21. "they bunch up - making one bus SRO" Trains do bunch up and make one train an SRO in a period of time. -------------------------------------------- 22. "another bus virtually empty along the same route at the same time" Trains do, (cough) M train in Brooklyn to Bay Parkway (cough) W train on to/from Brooklyn (cough), and others as well. -------------------------------------------- 23. "buses get in other bus's way" That because of traffic, same as the trains like D and M, 2 and 5, etc. ------------------------------------------------ 24. "they don't pull into bus stops when there are several other buses already there" That because of traffic and delays, same as the trains in the terminals like the 2 and 5 rush hour. ------------------------------------------------ 25. "when they are out of service they take up space in bus stops forcing the in-service buses to stop behind them and making the passengers walk further to their destinations," Your statement doesnt even make sense. Re-write it over. -------------------------------------------- 26. "there's no prominent interior route and destination signs" Umm, no need to on the buses. You walk into the bus you already saw the correct route bus sign on the nose and the side of the bus. There is a chance of misreading on the destination sign and the the bus route, you can ask a Bus operator if you got on the right bus instantly. Unlike the subways when a reroute trains take place, people get confused if its the right or wrong train to take. --------------------------------------------- 27. "need I go on?" Keep going on since buses and trains do have similar drawbacks. BTW, YOU suck. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Jan 1 03:39:48 2010, in response to Terrapin Station is not feeling well in 2010., posted by GOLD_12th on Fri Jan 1 02:42:59 2010. Terrapin PWNED!
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Jan 1 03:42:29 2010, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 1 00:46:15 2010. No more Vintage buses for the year so its back to trashing buses huh? |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri Jan 1 04:30:03 2010, in response to Re: Terrapin Station is not feeling well in 2010., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Jan 1 03:39:48 2010. OH SHIT!!!! LOL!!!! |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Jan 1 08:21:58 2010, in response to Terrapin Station is not feeling well in 2010., posted by GOLD_12th on Fri Jan 1 02:42:59 2010. The ONLY thing I disagree with you on is your response to Terrapin's point about buses sometimes being too hot. Realistically and legally, you cannot remove your clothes if it's summer time and you are wearing almost nothing to begin with. And the thing trains have over buses in that regard is that on a train, you can usually move to another car (even if you wait till you make a station stop and move outside the train), which will most likely have working air conditioning. When a bus is hot, your only option is to wait for another bus. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Jan 1 09:16:23 2010, in response to Terrapin Station is not feeling well in 2010., posted by GOLD_12th on Fri Jan 1 02:42:59 2010. haha pw3nd. I agree with this post 100%. Esp after riding the (G) and (C) on an fairly often back then.lol @ #3, he cannot be serious! #7, I guess TS never rode the Lex or IRT Nostrand Ave Branch during rush hour. #12, COUGHR32COUGH 20# an SMEE car with flat wheels making an station stop virbrates like an mofo. #23, the (5) train gets in the (3) train way all the time @ Rogers Junction New lots/BC bound. Not to mention the (B)(D)(Q)(N) in brooklyn right before the mantthan bridge. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Jan 1 09:16:50 2010, in response to Re: Terrapin Station is not feeling well in 2010., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Jan 1 03:39:48 2010. LOL! |
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Posted by busdude2 on Fri Jan 1 10:23:00 2010, in response to Terrapin Station is not feeling well in 2010., posted by GOLD_12th on Fri Jan 1 02:42:59 2010. I love numbers 19 & 20. Maybe he did get hit with a mirror it would explain a lot. And number 20 maybe he needs a hovercraft since he does not like vibrations. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Jan 1 10:24:27 2010, in response to its just a little snow!, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Dec 31 08:55:49 2009. Enjoy your life on Staten Island.... :-) |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Jan 1 10:26:48 2010, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 1 00:46:15 2010. In fact they suck more because they have no trains to ride insteadHuh? That makes a lot of sense. Not! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 1 11:11:25 2010, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Jan 1 10:26:48 2010. Makes total sense! They suck more because they need to take them the whole way, every day, where at least I get to get off them in 6 minutes and ride a superior subway train. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 1 11:12:01 2010, in response to Re: its just a little snow!, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Jan 1 10:24:27 2010. It's a sucky life, but at least he's the dumbass screwing it up. He can't blame anyone else. |
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