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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 6 21:53:40 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Aug 6 21:31:43 2008. When he didn't like the radio deals on the table when the contract with WJFK ran up a few years ago, he bought 2 rimshot FM signals and an AM station that broadcasts at about 30 watts at night, turned them into "Redskins Radio", and put the games on there. People complained they couldn't hear the games, so he offered to buy 104.1 and 103.9 FM, which were broadcasting classical music at the time, from Bonneville. Once the Washington Post heard that Snyder and Bonneville were working on a deal for the signals, someone from Bonneville told the Washington Post that Snyder had offered far more than the signals were actually worth, and the deal fell apart. Snyder bought time on a strong FM signal for last season. When Clear Channel put its 3 AM signals up for sale this year, including WTEM, a sports station, Snyder bought them, and now controls them while the sale is pending with the FCC.He also added seats behind columns to FedEx Field so he could sell even more tickets. You think it would be out of the realm of possibility for him to start up a shuttle bus operation if he really wanted to? I don't. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Aug 6 22:06:09 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 6 21:53:40 2008. But it still hasn't improved the on-field product...look where Vince Lombardi's trophy resides. :-D |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Aug 6 22:08:30 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 6 21:53:40 2008. Oh I forgot---Red Zebra Coachways (formerly Eyre), here we come. :-D |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Aug 6 22:09:16 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by Forest Glen on Wed Aug 6 13:05:58 2008. The Redskins didn't feel compelled to...their hand was forced by new FTA rules. |
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Posted by CAT218 on Wed Aug 6 22:15:17 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Aug 6 10:24:12 2008. Do you know how many trips they'd need to operate? Plus they'd have to charge the regular fare which means they'd have tons and tons of people riding a bus that would have to run like every 5 minutes. LOL. That's part of the reason why FTA got involved. If there is a premium fare for a special event, that's a no no as well and part of the 'charter' aspect of it. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Aug 6 22:30:52 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by CAT218 on Wed Aug 6 22:15:17 2008. However...if it's part of a regular route, technically there is no violation. It's a loophole, especially if the buses make stops on the street running by it. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 6 22:42:57 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Aug 6 22:06:09 2008. The joke for awhile was "If no one can hear what is happening at the games on the radio, did the team still lose?" |
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Posted by W.E.S. on Wed Aug 6 22:55:22 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 6 21:30:24 2008. Or he could buy buses himself and run them to Redskin games in the fall and to his Six Flags Park in the summer. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Aug 6 22:56:34 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 6 22:42:57 2008. Oh l*rd, that's just too funny! |
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Posted by CAT218 on Wed Aug 6 23:06:59 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Aug 6 22:30:52 2008. I don't think they'd want to run that route due to the overwhelming demand for it. They'd have to put so much service into it that it wouldn't be worth it. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Aug 6 23:33:02 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by CAT218 on Wed Aug 6 23:06:59 2008. It could simply have many supplements on the regular route...a loophole, yes. |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Thu Aug 7 06:28:48 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by railbus63 on Wed Aug 6 09:06:17 2008. The UMTA didn't care about trivial matters. Oh wait, the UMTA spread like mustard to Nixon's plans to give corporate welfare to Boeing and Rohr as Vietnam wound down.The FTA and the FRA are wastes of government that both should be disbanded for the sake of saving Americans tax dollars. |
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Posted by railbus63 on Thu Aug 7 09:50:04 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 6 09:56:50 2008. I agree that the $20 figure sounds fishy. My guess is that the Redskins got caught unprepared and are using this figure as PR cover for why they couldn't get a substitute service ready in time.As to your larger point - I agree that providing this service does serve a public good, but at what cost? When a team builds a new stadium far away from any existing public transit facility, should the government be obligated to provide service? I would hope that local governments work out an agreement during the approval process that requires the team to be responsible for paying the cost to operate the service and reimburse the transit agency for any losses incurred. |
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Posted by Massbusmark on Thu Aug 7 11:54:32 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by railbus63 on Thu Aug 7 09:50:04 2008. Gillette Stadium, where the New England Patriots play, is nowhere near any bus route, although the MBTA Commuter Rail Providence line runs nearby. In fact, for the past several years the T schedules special game day train from both Boston's South Station and from Providence. Although OT, my question: is special train service such as this a violation of these regultions or does it apply only to public transit's bus operations.Back on topic, in the past the MBTA had supplied some lift equipped buses to assist with transporting some of the wheelchair athletes, along with the thousands of runners from Boston to the starting line of the Boston Marathon in Hopkinton. A private bus company is hired by the Boston Athletic Orgnization to schedule and coordinate the tranport operations. This company only has about 15 to 20 coaches, so obviously they have to sub out hiring hundreds of school buses, plus some additional coaches for the elite runners and VIP's. There aren't many lift equipped motorcoaches among the bus companies in the Boston area, so I would guess the MBTA would be legally prohibited from assisting in this transport operation even though they have more handicap accessible buses than any other private bus operator. Mark |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Aug 7 11:56:50 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Aug 6 18:30:58 2008. Then why not have the shuttle buses stop at the Morgan Boulevard station if it is on the way?Because it isn't. Morgan Boulevard is south, Landover is west, the parking lots are east. |
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Posted by CAT218 on Thu Aug 7 12:33:27 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by Massbusmark on Thu Aug 7 11:54:32 2008. Subbing out the work to MBTA is fine. Technically the ones operating the service is that private company, but they just happened to contact with MBTA to offer ADA accessible vehicles. That will still be ok in the future. |
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Posted by CAT218 on Thu Aug 7 17:55:49 2008, in response to Re: Redskins, WMATA Discontinue Shuttle Service Due to New FTA Regulations, posted by CAT218 on Thu Aug 7 12:33:27 2008. As I and others had said there are cases where the transit system may still provide service. Case in point:ND shuttles back with Transpo Private companies don't bid to provide game-day service. By ADAM JACKSON Tribune Staff Writer SOUTH BEND — Parking in a grassy field, hopping a Transpo bus and riding to the stadium has been a Notre Dame game-day ritual for years. And, apparently, it still will be. After a saga in which it appeared federal regulations might prevent Transpo from providing a series of game-day shuttles, officials announced this week that a lack of private sector interest in providing the shuttles has placed the job back in Transpo's hands for the rest of the season. Right where it should be, Transpo general manager Rick Brown said. "This is great for us, for the fans, for everyone," he said. The Federal Transit Administration announced this spring that it would enforce a rule that made it mandatory for publicly funded transit companies like Transpo to offer any charter or special service routes up to the private sector. If no private company was interested, then public transit companies could apply for an exemption to operate the services. And for Notre Dame football weekends, that service is a big job. For the game-day shuttle services, including campus parking shuttles, special buses to the airport, downtown and nearby hotels, Transpo usually provides rides to more than 22,000 on a typical football Saturday. After Transpo's public posting of the service in July, two companies notified the FTA of an interest in the job — Indian Trails of Owosso, Mich., and Alexis Luxury Tours of Mount Prospect, Ill. But by a deadline this week, both companies had declined to provide the service. Notre Dame assistant athletics director Josh Berlo said the university was glad to have this part of football season preparations sorted out. "We are certainly pleased to have brought this to a resolution," he said, "especially considering the brief period of time we had to work with. And we are certainly looking forward to continuing our strong relationship with Transpo for another year." The announcement may not be the end of the story, however. Brown said that, to comply with the regulations, Transpo must provide notification of any special service it would like to provide, in order to give private companies a chance to bid. That means that everything from the holiday Santa Express service to shuttles for Mishawaka's Summerfest will have to be posted every year. And, yes, that includes the Notre Dame football shuttle services. Every year. "My staff isn't too happy about it," Brown said. "But now we know what we are up against. "We'll start the process earlier next year," he said. |
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