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Posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 08:52:59 2008 Photographer unknown  |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 25 09:21:00 2008, in response to Glendale Car Show, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 08:52:59 2008. What's up with that right side mirror? Isn't that supposed to fold in when the door is open? They really ought to consider putting the OEM mirror on that bus. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 25 10:19:06 2008, in response to Glendale Car Show, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 08:52:59 2008. The same bus at the Hamilton County Fairgrounds in Cincinnati in 2005 and at American Bus & Accessory in 2007:    Trivia: this was never a Cincinnati Transit bus. It originally ran for Kansas City Public Service and finished out its service life at TANK in Covington, KY. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 10:46:16 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 25 09:21:00 2008. Has it ever occurred to your brilliant mind that this was the original mirror? Surely to spend a lot of money on this beautiful restoration and then install an inappropriate mirror is just not logical. In that era (I was alive and saw them, I don't believe you were) many different styles of mirrors existed; each transit operation specified what type of mirror they wanted. Unless you can prove this wasn't the original mirror, it's best not to say anything. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 25 10:51:21 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 10:46:16 2008. The bus has a different mirror in this photo on CTHA's website. I don't know the story, but the mirror that's on it now resembles the one on the Grumman 870 pictured near the bottom of the page. |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Jun 25 10:54:30 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 25 10:19:06 2008. in that error buses didnt have right side mirrors at least not in nyc. |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Wed Jun 25 10:59:00 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by mci guy on Wed Jun 25 10:54:30 2008. ERA not ERROR, although it might have been an error not to have them. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 11:03:23 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 25 10:51:21 2008. The photo of 359, which shows a longitudinal mirror, was probably taken after the initial restoration and that was the only mirror they could obtain at that time. When the correct mirror was obtained, they installed the one shown in recent photos. Many NYC area buses did not have right side mirrors during the 1950s era (that must have been fun driving!). Look at older bus photos to confirm this. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 25 11:08:47 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 25 10:19:06 2008. I see some marker lights have been removed. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 25 11:17:17 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 10:46:16 2008. Yes I was alive then I had my father worked for 5th ave coach/MABSTOA and used take take me to work with him sometimes. Those mirrors were not around then. BTW, you can stuff your attitude, Saitta. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 25 13:53:41 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 25 10:51:21 2008. THE GREAT SAITTA PWNED. He should stick to being an E-bay thug. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 25 13:54:30 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 11:03:23 2008. Proof????? know - it all |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 25 13:55:36 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 11:03:23 2008. Someone once said if you don't know for sure it's best not to say anything. Who was that? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 25 14:04:06 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by Hart Bus on Wed Jun 25 10:59:00 2008. NYC "old looks" did not have them this is true. But, NYC bus drivers had a way of setting up the inside mirror(s) so that the right side could be seen. I remember my father showing me this around 1962. He was a chassis maintainer for Surface Transportation/MaBSTOA, from time to time I would go to work with him. It was really cool when he did road calls and we'd take out a bus to replace one that had broken down. |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Jun 25 16:00:24 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 25 14:04:06 2008. sorry for that stupid misspelling. i did that with the rear view mirror into the 80s. while required to have a rear view mirror nyct claimed that was not a reason to refuse a bus. more often than not the mirror housing was there with no glass in it. while the center view helped a bit with a standing load you were driving with your right side blind. its a wonder there werent more accidents. of course if you had one it was your fault. drivers then were more afraid of buses than to pass on right/wrong side. |
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Posted by mci guy on Wed Jun 25 16:03:14 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 25 13:55:36 2008. read my post joe. not just the 1950s. and us old farts drove cars without right side mirrors. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 25 17:39:40 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 25 13:54:30 2008. I think that sarcastic wiscrack was totally uncalled for. Joe knows his buses. Now retired, he knew his stuff. He drove buses for a living for many years. The addition of right side mirrors on local transit buses is indeed a recent phoenomon. I can't prove it with pictures because I don't have the home equipment, but all you have to do is look at the old pics. I'm sure someone here can post some randomly. When I rode buses in my younger years, there were no side mirrors both on the fishbowls and the old looks. An apology to Joe from you would be in order when you are proven wrong. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 25 17:41:45 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by mci guy on Wed Jun 25 16:03:14 2008. So did I. Right side morrors are recent (at least within my lifetime) additions as mandated safety equipment. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 25 17:51:27 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Jun 25 11:17:17 2008. I think YOU have the attitude. Joe makes an earlier post that said NYC buses did not have right side mirrors in the '50's, you want proof calling him a know-it-all, then you make this post verifying exacly what Joe said: that the right side mirrors were indeed not around then in NYC. Maybe you've had a feud with Joe in the past. Fine. But it's obvious to me that as soon as he started this thread, your purpose was to discredit him. Take it elsewhere. |
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Re: Right Side Mirrors (was Glendale Car Show) |
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Posted by RTS_Book on Wed Jun 25 18:22:40 2008, in response to Right Side Mirrors (was Glendale Car Show), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 25 17:39:40 2008. Playing devil's advocate, Joe's original message wasn't exactly "neutral" in tone.Knowledge is great to share, but it can be disseminated in a peaceful way. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 18:34:25 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 25 17:51:27 2008. Thank you Bill. I sincerely appreciate your posts. When you have immature, childish minds who have nothing better to do but spend their lives on the Internet and become be self-appointed know-it-alls, regardless of their actual age, this is what happens. I honestly don't know who subwaysurf is, but he seems to have something against me since I sell transit photos at what he considers inflated prices. Of course, his mini-mind has absolutely no idea what it costs to produce these high quality items, and the meager profits are channeled into other transit preservation projects, such as maintenance of the 1970 bus I own. I'd love to know what this narrow-minded "gentleman" has done towards the cause of historic transit preservation. I strongly suspect it's nothing. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Jun 25 18:34:45 2008, in response to Glendale Car Show, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 08:52:59 2008. Awesome! |
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Posted by RTS_Book on Wed Jun 25 19:15:31 2008, in response to Glendale Car Show, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 08:52:59 2008. Beautiful photos, Joe.I saw a few buses of CTHA's fleet last year; I'm not sure if this was one of 'em. Loved riding on the ex-COTA and ex-TANK New Looks, though. |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Jun 25 21:40:44 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 18:34:25 2008. children, children!let's not argue! play nice! just like me and Train Dude! |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Jun 25 22:04:50 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 18:34:25 2008. Joe, those of us who deal with you and know you see and acknowledge you for the knowledgeable, honorable and decent man you are.Don't let a few miserable people get to you. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 23:34:17 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Jun 25 22:04:50 2008. Thank you for your very kind words, Hugh. I sincerely appreciate them. |
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Re: Right Side Mirrors (was Glendale Car Show) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jun 26 05:15:42 2008, in response to Right Side Mirrors (was Glendale Car Show), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 25 17:39:40 2008. No it wouldn't his smart remark in his first response to me was UNCALLED FOR he owes me the apology. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jun 26 05:16:20 2008, in response to Re: Right Side Mirrors (was Glendale Car Show), posted by RTS_Book on Wed Jun 25 18:22:40 2008. Thank YOu |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jun 26 05:17:21 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jun 25 17:41:45 2008. I still don't utilize right side mirrors on cars because I learned to drive without one. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jun 26 05:21:41 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 18:34:25 2008. Hey Clown. In case you still don't get it IT's your original comments IN THIS POST that set me off. You are the one that owes me an apology. Now go and sell you trinkets on e-bay.BTW, why don't you have the balls to respond to me directly? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jun 26 05:25:03 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 18:34:25 2008. >>>I strongly suspect it's nothing. <<<Not that I have to defend myself to your ilk, but I have done much in the area of trreansit preservation. Other than line my own pockets. Which seems to be your speciality. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Jun 26 14:41:56 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Jun 25 11:03:23 2008. In regards to right side mirrors on TA/OA buses, I do recall in my childhood years (1970s) that the typical OA buses did not have a right side mirror. They would have the mirrors when rehabbed, but it seems that once the mirror got damaged, it was usually not replaced. I don't know about those at TA depots, but I lving near the Bronx Zoo, I didi see FLU buses regularly which often did have right side mirrors. Then, I recall in the late 70s they started installing the folding mirrors on most OA buses. |
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Posted by Transit Jeff on Fri Jun 27 00:36:59 2008, in response to Re: Glendale Car Show, posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Jun 25 22:04:50 2008. I love the photos of the restored Cincinnati old look GM bus. Thanks for taking them, Joe. That Cincinnati decal is gorgeous! I love the Marmon-Herrington trackless trolley on it. Cincinnati used that logo on most everything, including tokens and printed matter.And speaking of right-hand mirrors, my historic buses don't have them and never did. I actually learned to drive a bus without a right-hand mirror. |
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