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Posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Feb 15 07:18:50 2010 Wanna bet his family sues the MTA ?LINK TO NY POST ARTICLE By JIM PERONE and JAMIE SCHRAM Last Updated: 6:54 AM, February 15, 2010 Posted: 4:03 AM, February 15, 2010 Brooklyn teen lost his right leg after getting hit by a subway train while he was scrawling graffiti, a police source said yesterday. José Juarez, 16, was on the tracks of the Kings Highway station at around 10:30 p.m. Saturday when the N train struck him, sources said. He was rushed to Lutheran Hospital, where he was recovering last night. "It's a miracle that he's still alive," said the family's pastor, Jonathan Brean. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Feb 15 07:45:45 2010, in response to 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Feb 15 07:18:50 2010. SMDHwhen will these knucklehead people learn? My guess is never I expect to hear about a lawsuit in the coming days. Just plain stupid |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 15 07:46:35 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Feb 15 07:45:45 2010. I'll bet his family will win, too. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 07:57:59 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Feb 15 07:46:35 2010. Sure. Just like the kid who was killed by an LIRR train in Rego Park at 63rd overpass. They all sue. |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 08:56:20 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 07:57:59 2010. Yup they'll sue and win, sad thing is they don't seem to get that the kid was at fault. Why was he there, but after they win the NYPD should step in and charge the kid with trespassing, and vandalism |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 09:13:12 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 08:56:20 2010. By the time that happens, the statute of limitations will likely have expired. They won't charge him now because he's been punished enough (IMO losing a leg is excessive punishment for vandalism). |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 09:27:03 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 09:13:12 2010. I don't agree sorry. He lost the leg through his own actions, if someone else caused his leg to get cut off then I'd agree but he caused it so too bad. As for the statues then I think the NYPD should be pre-emptive and charge him now. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Feb 15 10:10:12 2010, in response to 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Feb 15 07:18:50 2010. Poster boy for a ban in suing entities where the punk comitted a crime while this happened.And the crew aboard the N might lose their jobs over this moron. |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Mon Feb 15 10:11:32 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Feb 15 10:10:12 2010. Charge him with criminal trespass and vandalism now! Lee |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 10:12:34 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Feb 15 10:10:12 2010. I agree, but how would the crew lose their jobs? They obviously didn't know he was there. Just curious. I do hope they don't lose their jobs. |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 10:12:51 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by ebtmikado on Mon Feb 15 10:11:32 2010. IAWTP |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Feb 15 10:13:10 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by ebtmikado on Mon Feb 15 10:11:32 2010. Yup, and on his arraignment, he will be let go without bail. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Feb 15 10:14:15 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 10:12:34 2010. I hope not too but you can't fight Labor Relations. |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 10:14:59 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Feb 15 10:14:15 2010. Sad but true |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Mon Feb 15 10:21:48 2010, in response to 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Feb 15 07:18:50 2010. Wonderful use of the English language by the Post’s headline writer. I guess someone who is hit by an automobile would get the headline “MAN HIT BY ROAD’. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 10:33:28 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 09:13:12 2010. They better charge him. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 10:37:30 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Feb 15 10:10:12 2010. Well, as long as the T/O put the train in emergency, didn't move the train, and called it in, I don't see how he could lose his job. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 15 10:46:36 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 09:13:12 2010. No. He lost his leg to a case of the stupids.Now he must be charged with trespass and vandalism if for no other reason than to protect NYCT and the City against a law suit. Kids under 33 should be caned for trespassing on NYCT property. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 15 10:48:39 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Feb 15 10:13:10 2010. Doesn't need to post bail, I mean, it is not like he can run very far.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 15 10:49:53 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by RailBus63 on Mon Feb 15 10:21:48 2010. They are REPORTERS they do not need facts or any knowledge of the English Language.ROAR |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Feb 15 11:11:13 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 10:37:30 2010. And don't forget proper speed before this happened. |
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Posted by error46146 on Mon Feb 15 11:12:11 2010, in response to 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Feb 15 07:18:50 2010. Oh well his problem not mine... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 11:15:18 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Feb 15 11:11:13 2010. That's something the union really should fight. Use of the event recorder in these cases. Even so, if the T/O was speeding, I don't see how he can be fired over this. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 11:20:26 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 09:27:03 2010. So you consider limb amputation to be an acceptable punishment for crimes? Time for you to move to Taliban-controlled Afghanistan or Pakistan. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 11:21:28 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 10:33:28 2010. No, they shouldn't. There is the concept of being punished enough. The punishment he's already received for his actions exceed the punishment he'd have received from the courts had he emerged unscathed and been charged. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Feb 15 11:21:48 2010, in response to 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Newkirk Images on Mon Feb 15 07:18:50 2010. Was the family Pastor writing graffiti with him when this happened? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 11:26:41 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Feb 15 11:21:48 2010. LOL |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Feb 15 11:55:02 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 15 10:48:39 2010. Very cold! |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 11:57:14 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 11:21:28 2010. Disagree. They should charge him. |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 11:57:29 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 10:33:28 2010. IAWTP |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 15 12:02:24 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 11:21:28 2010. It will be nonetheless be useful to charge him and secure his guilt, while taking account of his disability on account of 'being hit by subway' in deciding on a sentence. |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 12:03:08 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 11:20:26 2010. Didn't say that. The government didn't do that. He did it to himself. Doesn't mean the government shouldn't charge him. What about burglars who get maimed trying to steal, they still charge them. No difference here. |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 12:04:09 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Feb 15 11:21:48 2010. I'm disappointed that the pastor would get involved when the kid was doing something wrong |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 12:07:11 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 15 12:02:24 2010. Why? He did it to himself, I am sorry I have little sympathy when one did it to themselves. When burglars get hurt or maimed when they try to steal no one has sympathy for them and they still go to jail, why should it be different here? Yes, it was a kid but old enough to know better. It does sucks he lost his leg, but it isn't like someone did it to him. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 12:09:05 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 12:03:08 2010. Didn't say thatExactly. The accident does not excuse him for his crime. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 15 12:16:57 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 12:07:11 2010. I'd take account of his disability in sentencing. Without hearing all of the facts, I can't say off the cuff what sentence is merited. I imagine that Mr. Juarez has learned his lesson and that he's been deterred from engaging in such behavior again. The only remaining issue is really his making restitution for damage that he caused now or in the past. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 12:19:06 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 15 10:46:36 2010. No. He lost his leg to a case of the stupids.And that is his punishment. Kids under 33 should be caned for trespassing on NYCT property. So you agree that limb amputation is excessive, thank you. And as for "Kids" under 33: No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. |
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Posted by 9 local on Mon Feb 15 12:25:57 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 12:19:06 2010. His punishment should be a criminal record with sentencing accordingly. Allowing for the disability there is a chance he'd get off with probation, but he still needs to be charged and tried, otherwise the justice system is broken.The State of New York didn't take his leg: an R160 did. And his lawsuit should be thrown out of court if he makes one. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Feb 15 12:28:21 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 12:09:05 2010. I hope this kid learned his lesson, and I feel sorry for his parents but the fact remains he should be charged for this as a crime and fined, it was his own fault that this happened.And the on line N.Y. Times tread the lens has a book: Subway Art by Niko Koppel which shows people the "art" of graffiti, in fact the readers praise this crap book " This is my bible " and " Has the basic skills to start creating graffiti " this author and others are most likely responsible for spreading this shit around NYC and other countries in Europe, and most likely this kid and others like him have red this book and think it's OK to vandalise transit cars and private property. these vandals should be caught and jailed and fined, no exceptions hurt or not, and this message must be posted all over the transit system. Karl M |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 12:30:50 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Mon Feb 15 12:28:21 2010. I feel bad for his parents. Still, he must be charged. |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 12:37:11 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Feb 15 12:30:50 2010. Yup. He needs to be charged as he was still doing something wrong, on second thought I do feel bad he lost his leg, but he did it to himself. |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 12:38:52 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 15 12:16:57 2010. Ok but we'd have to agree to disagree. He did it to himself and should receive full punishment. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 12:38:59 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 12:03:08 2010. It doesn't serve the purpose of deterrence. He should be charged but not penalized beyond a suspended sentence. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 15 12:40:02 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 12:04:09 2010. Nah.In the Catholic Church, the pastor has a juridic responsibility to provide comfort to the victim and family. It is always good for a pastor to visit his sinners. ROAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 12:40:26 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 12:37:11 2010. Despite my feelings that he should not be punished further and that limb amputation is too high a price to pay for his crime, I don't feel bad he lost his leg. He could have easily prevented it by not committing a crime. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 12:40:51 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 15 12:02:24 2010. IAWTP. |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 12:42:12 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by 9 local on Mon Feb 15 12:25:57 2010. I agree the state did not take his leg, the R160 did not not by it's choice he put himself there. As far as I am concerned he took his own leg as he shouldn't have been doing a crime. I do feel bad he lost his leg but again he did it to himself. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 15 12:42:31 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 12:19:06 2010. Limb amputation is excessive and is not permitted in this country. It is still the rule in Islamic nations.But how is your LION depriving etc. etc. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 15 12:44:10 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by 9 local on Mon Feb 15 12:25:57 2010. The R-160 DID NOT take his leg. Subway trains do not swerve out of their way to take legs or ought else.He GAVE his leg to the train by sticking out in front of the train. ROAR |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Feb 15 12:46:10 2010, in response to Re: 'Graffiti Teen' Hit By Subway, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 15 12:38:59 2010. No he should be charged and punished sorry. What about the criminals who get hurt while committing a crime and still get punished? Sorry, but this kid shouldn't be any different. |
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