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Re: National Guard and Photo Rules: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Thu Feb 21 19:09:48 2008, in response to Re: National Guard and Photo Rules: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 15:06:51 2008. Your sharing of this document is more than appreciated.Thank you very much. |
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Posted by David on Thu Feb 21 19:37:53 2008, in response to Re: National Guard and Photo Rules: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 15:06:51 2008. Having read the e-mail, I have to wonder whether it's a fabrication. The sentence structure is awful, there is at least one spelling error (or typo), and the letter refers to the "New York City Transit Police," an outfit that does not exist and has not existed for over ten years (the e-mail mentions that it is in response to a phone complaint from this month.David |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 21 19:53:33 2008, in response to Re: National Guard and Photo Rules: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by David on Thu Feb 21 19:37:53 2008. FWIW, Eric Durr is for real, and that IS his phone number. And it wouldn't be unusual for folks up here to not know the specific name of the local agency in the city. I've also seen some doozies come out of his press office so that's not a surprise either. I'd personally lean towards it being genuine, but edited by the person who made the copy available to hide their own personal information in that email. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 21 19:56:34 2008, in response to Re: National Guard and Photo Rules: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by David on Thu Feb 21 19:37:53 2008. Many citizens, esp. visitors, may not know the difference between transit police and city police or that there used to be a TPD in New York.There is now a dedicated transit bureau within the NYPD, and it is commanded by a Bureau Chief. Each borough command within Transit is commanded by an Inspector, with individual transit districts commanded by a Captain or Deputy Inspector. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 21 19:57:40 2008, in response to Re: NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP?, posted by South Ferry on Thu Feb 21 15:22:47 2008. What's this all about? "Visiting privileges?" Meh? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 21 19:59:27 2008, in response to Re: National Guard and Photo Rules: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 21 19:56:34 2008. Eric is the press officer with the NYS Division of Military and Naval Affairs. Not necessary for him to know the specifics of the local agencies since his job is merely to act as a news contact for the NYS Natural Guard and such. His information was probably what he remembered in order to speak to a specific individual rather than the media and didn't have the time to go look up something that wasn't relevant to his own agency's mission. It can get like that since DMNA is a rather small office. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 21 19:59:41 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by railbus63 on Thu Feb 21 15:27:57 2008. Attitude? If standing up for your rights is an "attitude" that justifies this sort of conduct, then we're all screwed. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 21 20:08:18 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 18:25:54 2008.  Yeah, that's pretty accurate. In the last incident, I didn't have the camcorder on (in fact, I didn't even own it yet, at the time), but they still handcuffed me and deleted everything after I was already leaving as per their orders. The reason: I asked for badge numbers. After that sort of thing, I've always video'd the entirety of every encounter— and keep in mind, there were loads of cops and also soldiers, but no eyewitnesses who could back me up if they decided to press charges or cause damage; I needed that "trustworthy eyewitness" to keep rolling for my own protection— which I explained, though it did no good. I had every right to keep the camcorder rolling for the entire encounter, which the violated. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 20:10:21 2008, in response to Re: National Guard and Photo Rules: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 21 19:53:33 2008. Actually the original is posted in the photo.net thread I alluded to in the post I made showing the image. The original image was a pdf which I converted to a jpg so I could embed it - I edited out the name/address of the recipient for purposes of posting it here. For those who want to see the unedited version - it is hereThe recipient is an attorney and the incident that started it all is posted here |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 21 20:11:43 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 17:18:26 2008. Potentially. However, I asked a cousin of mine, who is a retired cop. Apparently, if the card was seized (for official police purposes, as opposed to stolen), I'd have gotten a property receipt for it. Then again, he also took my ID, and told me he did, without giving me a receipt... |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 20:28:15 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Clayton on Thu Feb 21 18:47:56 2008. Has anyone ever had a similar thing happen to them at Grand Central while taking photographs where they were accosted by National Guard/MTA PD?click here Read the first paragraph here He includes GCT amongst places he has been hassled... I have seen many more while surfing the photo sites |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Feb 21 21:01:11 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by monorail on Thu Feb 21 01:44:54 2008. Killer O'****. That psycho! The crazy hillbilly with the beard I wanted to pull out whisker by whisker! |
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Re: NILET LIES TO US? No, I don't use flash. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Feb 21 21:04:23 2008, in response to Re: NILET LIES TO US? No, I don't use flash., posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 21 18:30:55 2008. I wasn't referring to you. I meant it for Far Rock. But after rereading the posts, I withdraw the comment. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Thu Feb 21 21:05:23 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Feb 20 20:52:18 2008. Wow i DKT. December I was at GCT, not at the platforms, but towards the back of the trains near the doors taking pics and no one said anything to me. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Thu Feb 21 21:09:55 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. Damn you seem to have the worst luck ever. hope you are successful in your lawsuit. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 21:13:42 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Clayton on Thu Feb 21 18:47:56 2008. what are you talking about? |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Feb 21 22:03:46 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 10:29:00 2008. Can't be. Argent Ventures owns the land under Grand Central Terminal, not the Terminal building. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Feb 21 22:11:53 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 17:05:00 2008. I don't know about New York, but in Maryland, if you lease property from anyone, it's yours to do what you want. If the MTA leased the property from Argent Ventures, it's the MTA's property do do what they want. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 21 22:14:17 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 21 03:50:59 2008. In all the years I've been rail-fanning I've been stopped once. Amtrak police stopped me because i was walking the ROW from Harris Tower to Harrisburg station to see a Vintage PRR loco on a railfan trip. He didn't take my camera, or my memory stick or my battery. He asked that i walk back to the tower, the same way I walked to the station - whatever sense that made. |
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Re:: Problems for excursions |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Feb 21 22:17:35 2008, in response to Re:: Problems for excursions, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Feb 21 09:15:10 2008. Ignore Ron. He has a problem with everybody. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Feb 21 22:20:26 2008, in response to Re:: Problems for excursions, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Feb 21 09:15:10 2008. Dont worry about it. Ron is just projecting his own improper behavior onto others. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Feb 21 22:30:12 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 21 22:14:17 2008. That's all ever or just by the police? I've been questioned twice by the police (once with handcuffs, etc.) and maybe 2 or 3 times by employees. Several times security guards have told me to stop and twice by a voice over the PA system. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 21 22:37:52 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Easy on Thu Feb 21 22:30:12 2008. That's all, ever! Period.. And in recent years I've done a significant amount of railfanning, especially in PA. One exception though. Last October I was videotaping on the NS mainline north of Marysville. My friend Mike had his van parked off the road adjacent to a grade crossing and someone's backyard. The homeowner came out of his house and approached us. He wanted to know what we found so damn fascinating that we'd spend hours watching trains. Of course, his house was less than 100' from the tracks so it was no big deal to him. But we were technically on NS ROW and all the engineers did was give us some extra blasts on the horns for the video. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Feb 21 22:47:35 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 21 22:37:52 2008. That's cool then. But railfanning freight trains is different than mass transit. Not very many people around.I've noticed that many of the people that live near freight rail tracks in the LA area are railfans. At least I assume they are. Many sit outside their houses and watch the trains go by and some even shoot pictures and video. Makes sense that a railfan would buy a house near the tracks I guess. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 22:48:55 2008, in response to Re:: Problems for excursions, posted by R30A on Thu Feb 21 22:20:26 2008. yep |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 22:51:01 2008, in response to Re:: Problems for excursions, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Feb 21 22:17:35 2008. His biggest problem may be with himself, which may be why he is constantly lashing out. With the help of family and some counselors, he may be able to get his life under control. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Feb 21 23:05:41 2008, in response to Re:: Problems for excursions, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 21 00:52:36 2008. lol. I thought that this was a douce man subthread with the double colons. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Feb 21 23:26:55 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 13:03:04 2008. I seen it myself so how is it "hypothetical"?I know you arent calling me a liar right? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 21 23:29:00 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Railman718 on Thu Feb 21 23:26:55 2008. It may happen, but it didn't happen in this particular case. I was on a platform adjacent to the train on which I had just arrived. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Feb 21 23:32:12 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 18:25:54 2008. You are correct.However, but by not turning it off, Nilet was acting more like a reporter than a photographer, and when you do that you risk that the situation will be further escalated which it was. When the TV reporters do that, they are hoping the situation gets escalated because it makes better TV, but in his situation, the wise thing to do would be to turn it off, although he knew they really had no reason to ask. I fully understand why he wanted to keep it rolling, but when you do that, you shouldn't complain about the result. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Feb 21 23:34:35 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 21 23:29:00 2008. No Nilet we are talking about a platform out of service due to trains not being used and car cleaners on the trains something that i seen myself.. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 23:35:34 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Railman718 on Thu Feb 21 23:26:55 2008. What did you see? Explain it in detail. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Feb 21 23:36:36 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Thu Feb 21 19:59:41 2008. No, it doesn't justify that sort of conduct but read my comment to Terrapin right above. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 23:40:11 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Feb 21 23:32:12 2008. No, he had every right to complain about the result.He had a good reason to keep it rolling, seeing as he gets stopped a lot. The police are supposed to be professional. They have no right to go ape-sh*t just because they don't get their way. They should arrest him if they think they have a just reason to. Otherwise, they should leave him alone. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Feb 21 23:47:55 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 23:35:34 2008. This was on the Lower Level...When i was a plumber's apperentice(1995)doing renvoation work in Grand Central forgot which track, two trains sitting there car cleaners going through them the signs in front where of the platforms in the lobby saying "no passengers" and a yellow tape roping it off.. That is about as close as its going to get why would i have to lie?? Dont confuse me with others i say what i mean and mean what i say, i dont play word games or beat around the bush... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 23:52:01 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Railman718 on Thu Feb 21 23:47:55 2008. oh geez. 1995! lower level! that's not even relevant. all the action is on the upper level. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Feb 21 23:53:39 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 23:52:01 2008. You asked i told you...Correct? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 21 23:58:16 2008, in response to Re:: Problems for excursions, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Feb 21 09:15:10 2008. Iknow. But someone else (if Lincoln were there he'd have joined him doing it) spent the whole tour picking up used parts off tables and asking our tour guide if he could keep them. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 23:58:59 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Railman718 on Thu Feb 21 23:53:39 2008. i was referring back to your original post where you made it seem like this "closed of platform" thing was relevant and happens today. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Feb 21 23:59:35 2008, in response to Re:: Problems for excursions, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 21 23:58:16 2008. Ron yet again projects his personal misbehavior issues onto others.Just because he would do something, he expects everyone else would. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Feb 22 00:04:35 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 23:58:59 2008. Ah i see...I never said "it happens today" you just assumed i said that. I said i did see it myself never said "when" i seen it.. All you had to ask was "When did you see this Railman?"... I would have gladly explained,just like i did in the other post. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 00:07:06 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Railman718 on Fri Feb 22 00:04:35 2008. if it doesn't happen today, then what was the point of posting about this "exception"???? See? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Feb 22 00:09:17 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 00:07:06 2008. Because i seen it thats why... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 22 00:11:14 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 21 22:37:52 2008. There is etiquette - you wave at the engineer and he toots in return. That's how it's supposed to be.In Pittsburgh once I waved at a passing freight and the engineer leaned out his can and waved at me with both hands! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 00:11:32 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Railman718 on Fri Feb 22 00:09:17 2008. next time, if you could be so kind, please give a disclaimer when you make a post that contains something that you saw a long time ago and may not necessarily be relevant today. it will cut down on the misunderstandings... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Feb 22 00:13:46 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 00:11:32 2008. Oh Yeah i will try to "remember" that... |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 22 00:15:26 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 22 00:11:14 2008. What?!? And engineer stuck his can out at you? |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Fri Feb 22 00:20:57 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Feb 21 21:01:11 2008. Cute story back in 90 before C/Rs got their radios, I was working the M at the terminal off lunch my leader (red haired guy, about less time than you still there, leaking roofs in the cabs etc) had a defective bracket. He told the RCI, RCI told dispatcher to have the conductor monitor the radio. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 22 00:27:08 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Railman718 on Fri Feb 22 00:13:46 2008. Yeah, put that on top of your "TO DO" list. The internet prig is on his game. |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Fri Feb 22 00:31:26 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 12:04:47 2008. Thank you for sharing this.Again, more than appreciated. |
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