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Re: PUBLIC SERVICE MESSAGE |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Thu Feb 21 01:45:54 2008, in response to Re: PUBLIC SERVICE MESSAGE, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 21 00:43:35 2008. haha, that never gets old. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Feb 21 01:47:48 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 01:10:29 2008. 'I apologize for going off the deep end with the last post'hope you are NOT apologizing for this statement: 'Terrapin Station: Why must you always have to be such a jackass to every person on this board?' |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 01:53:12 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by monorail on Thu Feb 21 01:47:48 2008. Everything else except for that. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by South Ferry on Thu Feb 21 01:58:54 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 01:19:40 2008. the word "Stupid" and BLE-NIMX d0es not m1x. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by South Ferry on Thu Feb 21 02:00:09 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 01:12:50 2008. Better chance of betting on Ron being "Stupid" than NIMX. He's teh real dealio. |
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Re:: Problems for excursions |
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Posted by South Ferry on Thu Feb 21 02:01:31 2008, in response to Re:: Problems for excursions, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 21 00:52:36 2008. It was 9-8-01... and care to remind us what happened??? Not all of us were in teh same tourgroup, Ronaldo. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Feb 21 02:02:16 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 01:53:12 2008. Thank you! |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Thu Feb 21 03:07:07 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Feb 20 23:05:55 2008. You obviously haven't been posting or reading here very long, have you?Otherwise you would know that I am one of THE MOST VOCAL critics of unwarranted and unlawful photographer harrassment you will find in this forum. So, kindly save save your arrogant and condescending attitude for someone else, OK? |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Feb 21 03:17:52 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. A real rough situation, and I think the real problem is the fact we have too many people who have become increasingly paranoid from not only 9/11, but the more recent train bombings overseas. That to me is the real issue here. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 21 03:27:26 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Feb 20 22:04:27 2008. I doubt the soldiers are trained in MTA photography policies since the cops obviously aren't. However the cops should know by now that photography is legal on MTA property. The soldiers were probably just assisting the police and taking their word for it. They did nothing wrong. Nilet should pursue this case against the NYPD. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 21 03:45:12 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Subway Signage on Wed Feb 20 22:52:00 2008. Indeed. They need to jack up the pay for new NYPD officers. The soldiers on that platform are making more then that just in Basic Housing Allowance. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 21 03:50:59 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Train Dude on Wed Feb 20 23:19:52 2008. For one thing he's young. That's a strike right there. I don't know how he looks like but some people have suspicious looking faces. I have a friend who would always get stopped by the cops for just about anything because he had (and still has) the kind of face that looked like that of a criminal even though he is one the most honest people I know. We all know people with faces like that. The kind that one would cast as "The Criminal" if making a movie. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 21 03:58:43 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. You are right about suing. The CCRB obviously changed nothing. The soldiers were within their rights to not give you their SSN and they seemed to have done nothing wrong other then pairing up with some poorly trained cops. They wouldn't know what MTA photo rules are anyway nor should they. I hope the NYCLU can help you with the lawsuit against MTA. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 05:03:30 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 01:21:26 2008. Why not? Do you need help? |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 05:06:32 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Thu Feb 21 01:38:58 2008. The only reason that I can think of on why Nilet was stopped and was told that it is illegal for photos is because he may have been in an area where it was not open to the public. From the looks of the pics, the area was not open to the public at that given time they were taken. If the platform was open to the public at the time, then he may have had no problems with taking the photos. I still say that his approach to the employees and authorities was improper.No, all of the platforms are open all of the time unless specifically closed off. And I don't think I've ever seen any specifically closed off. That's not why he was stopped. As far as illegal photos at GCT, my higher up says you can't. Told you already, your source is wrong. Photos at GCT are legal. And BTW: What you gave me is regarding LIRR except for the bottom part of the page which I could have used when I had my altercation on the 55 Ave Overpass. No, the entire thing is for MNCR too. And it proves your source wrong. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 05:08:25 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by South Ferry on Thu Feb 21 02:00:09 2008. Nope. He's doing a fine job of being stupid. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 05:11:33 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SMAZ on Thu Feb 21 03:27:26 2008. I doubt the soldiers are trained in MTA photography policies since the cops obviously aren't.How do you know the cops aren't? I'd imagine that the cops specifically ARE. However the cops should know by now that photography is legal on MTA property. Yes, I'm sure they do. Nilet should pursue this case against the NYPD. HUH? This was likely MTAPD, not NYPD! |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by R PansePCC on Thu Feb 21 06:51:24 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. Sorry to hear about your latest ordeal. Last Saturday I went on the ERA's GCT Tour. I asked two GCT reps about taking pictures at GCT. I was told by both of them that taking pictures on the platforms at GCT was not allowed. I did ask about taking photos at other stations and I was told that there is no problem with photography at other stations. My advice is if you want to take pics at GCT take one or two and leave. It might have been a better idea to apologize to the MTA guys and leave right then. That way you may have avoided the hassles later on. Good luck and keep us posted. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by HarryP on Thu Feb 21 07:23:12 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. This is a total outrage! What is going on in this so-called "Land of the Free"???1. First of all, if you were in an area open to the public and not violating any other law, you were not trespassing. 2. If your property was seized w/o probable cause, you were a victim of a crime, and you should file a complaint with the District Attorney's Office in New York County. 3. Most important, there is a memo dated March 16, 2006, from MTA Police Chief Kevin J. McConville, stating: "There are no rules prohibiting the photography of Long Island, Metro-North or Staten Island trains and/or stations. Members should only be concerned if the subject(s) taking photographs are trespassing on railroad property not otherwise open to the public, or are endangering either themselves or others by their actions (e.g., stepping onto active railroad tracks). "Accordingly, please remind members of your commands that there is no ban in effect relating to photography of the railroads." You can get a copy of this memo by going to Railroad.Net, MetroNorth message board. This should be carried with you at all times. As for photography on the platforms or other public areas of Grand Central Station being illegal, this is a bunch of b.s.! Also, I would seriously consider taking this entire incident to the media, but first consult with your attorney. Do not be deterred by certain members of this message board. Pursue your legal rights guaranteed under the U.S. constitution! Good luck! |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 21 07:48:13 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 00:47:47 2008. Terrapin's attitude in the post to which you are responding might have left something to be desired, but despite that, he is 100% right and you are wrong here. It's not bad attitude to point out when someone is wrong. You don't have to be a lawyer to know what the rules are and the law is. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 21 07:54:56 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 01:10:29 2008. FALSE. If he is stopped for taking photos at Grand Central it will be because of misinformed and/or overzealous police officers and not because you told him so.There is no reason why abuse of police power should be tolerated. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 21 07:59:05 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 00:47:47 2008. Why do you think the reserve is there? For show?YES! The police is there to protect people and enforce the law, but the national guard is there solely to reinforce fear. |
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Re: NOT ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 21 08:03:51 2008, in response to Re: NOT ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 21 00:08:19 2008. It might be happening to others, we just don't know because those other people are smart enough not to air their dirty laundry on this message board. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 21 08:06:28 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Feb 21 00:22:23 2008. I agree halfway. He should have stopped filming and THEN argued that it was legal. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 21 08:07:19 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Feb 21 03:17:52 2008. IAWTP. The only war that should have a higher priority than the war on terror is the war against paranoia. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 21 08:10:42 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Bingham C50 on Wed Feb 20 22:26:22 2008. IAWTP. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Feb 21 08:37:01 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Feb 20 20:58:16 2008. unfortunately this is true |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Transit Guy on Thu Feb 21 08:47:48 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 00:11:58 2008. I agree 100%. |
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Re:: Problems for excursions |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Feb 21 09:15:10 2008, in response to Re:: Problems for excursions, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 21 00:52:36 2008. Hey! I was at the 207th St shop tour that day and I don't have assburgers syndrome! LOLBill "Newkirk" |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Feb 21 09:18:05 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Ken S. on Wed Feb 20 22:45:17 2008. I watch the Steve Wilkos Show because I like being yelled at! LOLBill "Newkirk" |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 21 09:36:23 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008. Asuming your description of the incident is 100% correct, I would say that (a) you were within your rights and (b) you were too confrontational. |
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Re: NOT ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 09:53:32 2008, in response to Re: NOT ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 21 08:03:51 2008. I think more people should make these incidents public and rant about them. People keeping quiet is what is emboldening the authorities to continue their war against photography. |
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Re: NOT ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 21 09:54:33 2008, in response to Re: NOT ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 09:53:32 2008. Agreed. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 09:54:45 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R142 #6666 on Thu Feb 21 00:55:47 2008. Please cite the law in question. You can't BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH LAW!!! |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 09:59:35 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 00:16:52 2008. Just to let you know, there is a specific rule applying to Grand Central Terminal ONLYWhat is the section and code of that rule? Can it be looked up by an attorney? The MTA issued a letter to the NYCLU stating that photography was not prohibited on any Metro North facilities - were they outright LYING? |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 10:07:13 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Thu Feb 21 01:38:58 2008. As far as illegal photos at GCT, my higher up says you can't.If that is the case then they have reneged on the agreement with the NYCLU - perhaps it is time for the NYCLU to sue the MTA!!! Maybe a $$$$$$$ settlement will get your "higher ups" attention!!! |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 10:18:33 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by R30A on Thu Feb 21 01:08:14 2008. The post where someone cites management as saying it's not allowed, however, insofar as the departure tracks are concerned, is here. Management presumably should know the rules of their system.In short, is management propagating something they know (or should know) isn't the truth? (The poster is an MTA employee.) |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 10:19:19 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 00:27:11 2008. How about checking these sites:The Harassed Photographer Photography is legal Busted! photopermit.org Or this article in Popular Photography There is really a war against photography going on today!! Of course if you only take pictures of your wife and kids singing Happy Birthday around a big cake you have nothing to worry about. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 10:20:14 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 05:06:32 2008. The source of the poster, however, is MTA management. Are you accusing them of not knowing the rules of their own system? |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 10:24:29 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 10:20:14 2008. Are you accusing them of not knowing the rules of their own system?Worse - I am accusing them of LYING about the rules. Unless someone can site the specific law, code and section then there is no such rule! |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 10:29:00 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 10:24:29 2008. But is it possible it may not be an MTA rule at all, but a rule of the Argent Ventures, the owner of Grand Central Terminal (in which case, it wouldn't be a law on the books, but rather a product of private property policy)? |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 10:31:04 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 20 23:46:59 2008. However...who sets the rules for what is technically private property? (The MTA doesn't own Grand Central Terminal, and it is possible the landlord of the property has set its own rules.) |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 10:31:42 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 10:18:33 2008. In short, is management propagating something they know (or should know) isn't the truth? (The poster is an MTA employee.)BINGO!!!
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 10:32:29 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 10:29:00 2008. Or rather, I should say, a product of the policy of the owner of Grand Central Terminal. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Feb 21 10:34:36 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 10:32:29 2008. Or rather, I should say, a product of the policy of the owner of Grand Central Terminal.Good point do the MTA own Grand Central or the Building its in??? If not it has to found out who and IF thsoe rules or "policies" are in Place... |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Feb 21 10:35:31 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 10:31:04 2008. I agree it has to be looked if its in that owners rules then its the rules like it or leave it. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 10:38:10 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 10:31:42 2008. The memo does NOT say "Except Grand Central". A copy of this memo was sent to the NYCLU, which in turn made it public. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Feb 21 10:38:30 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 10:31:42 2008. Excellent...Now if the tracks are closed off (With Out of Service trains on them and Car Cleaners at work i have seen this myself) i can see that the only exception.. |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 21 10:41:16 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 10:38:10 2008. Something's getting lost in translation as it ges down the line.It is also possible that the civil service rank mid-level commanders do not agree with the memo and are ignoring it, waiting for their politically appointed superirs to leave and be replaced by others. It is important to publicize violations and ask that officers involve be disciplined (suspension without pay, termination if egregious). |
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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 21 10:43:26 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Railman718 on Thu Feb 21 10:35:31 2008. That is what I would need to know---who makes the rules for that area. |
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