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PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:05:51 2010

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Finally folks, your friendly, neighborhood #1 Conductor had a good time frame this past Sunday in NH to check out the M-8 over at the Kawasaki Yard.

And without further ado......

The M-8!!!
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Face to face!!
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Wheel trucks and third rail shoes......
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MU coupler & compromise coupler.......
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Lightweight pantograph......
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Since the interior was loaded with sandbags for load testing, there was not a whole lot to be seen inside, as I would have preferred to show off this awesome interior without any computer equipment, apparatus, blue plastic bag covers and sandbags cluttering things up. So I left those views alone until there is a time where this can be shown off as any of you who hopefully and luckily get to board it on its maiden run, will get to see it!! (Do allow me to leave a little something for your imaginations!! ;-))

Thank you for coming on this quick up-close tour of MNR's newest addition to the fleet, coming soon to the New Haven Line in the form of 300 cars. I look forward to taking these sweet looking machines down the road, and I hope they run every bit as good as they look!! Much respect to Kawasaki for the nice work as well!! :-)

Thank you for viewing!! Hope you all enjoyed!! :-)

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 28 20:06:50 2010, in response to PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:05:51 2010.

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Ugly Effing train....

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:11:51 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 28 20:06:50 2010.

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You are out your damned mind!!!! :-D

Sweet piece of machinery, and I hope it runs just as good!! :-)

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 28 20:17:54 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:11:51 2010.

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I stand By what i said pppppfffff....

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by WillD on Mon Jun 28 20:18:41 2010, in response to PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:05:51 2010.

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I agree with Railman.

Interesting that there is no sign of any equipment to change the position of the third rail shoes in these cars. I understand they may add it at a later point, but I would expect there to be at least a mounting bracket or something down there.

And why does the pilot barely cover the gauge width? I realize the Reading RR's old cow catchers may be a bit anachronistic, but even the Silverliner V's pilot extends out a bit beyond the rail. And it looks like they have cutouts for third rail, so I can't imagine the MNRR's requirements are any different.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by kp5308 on Mon Jun 28 20:25:50 2010, in response to PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:05:51 2010.

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Gag me with a spoon :o)

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:26:55 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 28 20:17:54 2010.

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And lemme guess, you must think the R-160s look better!!! LMAO!! :-D

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:27:58 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by kp5308 on Mon Jun 28 20:25:50 2010.

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LOL!! I still think they look way better than those SLVs!! :-)

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 28 20:29:08 2010, in response to PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:05:51 2010.

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Any word when they'll enter service so we peons can get to see 'em?

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 28 20:30:05 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:26:55 2010.

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And lemme guess, you must think the R-160s look better!!! LMAO!! :-D

Im A Div property Now....


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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:30:45 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by WillD on Mon Jun 28 20:18:41 2010.

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I like how they look, and IMHO they look way better than the SLVs!!

As for the pilots, I believe they are just to the same specs in size as the M-7/M-7A pilots. I have to check that in more detail the next time I am around the M-7As. They clear thru the snow well, but do keep in mind, the SLVs do not have to worry about clearing third rails with their plows, the M-8s do, much as all of our M-series do.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 28 20:32:53 2010, in response to PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:05:51 2010.

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Wow, look at them yeller steps in the first pic. Imagine buying those with steps and trapdoors now . . . (but uh-oh, that would mean that NJT and the MBTA would have to consider them)

Even with the "face only a mother could love", they look sharp. Wonder how that look will hold up with some grime on 'em . . .

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:33:12 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jun 28 20:29:08 2010.

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As far as passenger service, no exact date has ever been told, but the word is that it will occur sometime towards the end of the year.

However if you are night riding around the New Haven Line, look for them to do their test runs out on the NH Line pretty much nightly, however when and how long they are out, and how far they go on the runs are subject to constant change.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by arnine on Mon Jun 28 20:39:54 2010, in response to PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:05:51 2010.

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Awesome pics :) I like them better now :)

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 28 20:41:19 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 28 20:30:05 2010.

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Well, A Div or not still aesthetically challenged! TMP is correct, they are sharp looking.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Jun 28 20:42:26 2010, in response to PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:05:51 2010.

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cute!

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 28 20:46:20 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:30:45 2010.

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SLVs SHOULD be set up to clear Penn Station 3rd rail at a minimum. In prior years, various commuter cars have been used for holiday extras. Would be dumb to preclude same.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:49:15 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 28 20:32:53 2010.

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"Wonder how that look will hold up with some grime on 'em"

Well, the Stamford, Highbridge and Harmon car washes can take care of that!! :-)

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:49:42 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by arnine on Mon Jun 28 20:39:54 2010.

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Thanks!! :-)

See, told ya'!!! :-D

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by bklyntekgeek on Mon Jun 28 20:56:30 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:49:42 2010.

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Awesome pics man.

Kawasaki seems to be the popular name for the transit system in the US these days. Even in PA

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:59:52 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 28 20:41:19 2010.

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Thanks, JPBT!! :-)

My high thoughts of them will drop under the sea though if they do not run and perform as good as they look!!

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 28 21:01:14 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 28 20:46:20 2010.

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SLVs SHOULD be set up to clear Penn Station 3rd rail at a minimum

You're dying to see them there . . . just to say "look at dem, doze should be da Noo Jurzy Tranzit Arrow Four" . . .

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 21:03:38 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by bklyntekgeek on Mon Jun 28 20:56:30 2010.

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Well, they do build good stuff!!

However, I would love to see good US of A car builders come back and make some nice running, long lasting, reliable cars, like the good ol' days of the St. Louis Car Company, Pullman Standard, American Car & Foundry, and Budd Company.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 21:07:22 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 28 20:46:20 2010.

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I have not ever seen SLII/IIIs come here!! I have seen SEPTA's Bombardier cars and AEM-7 come here (the AEM-7s are built to similar Amtrak specs) on holiday extras.

If SEPTA SLII/III MUs have come here, and someone has photos illustrating that, I would love to see it. :-)

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Jun 28 21:17:30 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 28 20:06:50 2010.

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Agreed. But nice pics though. They really should've kept the 'M7' front.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by WillD on Mon Jun 28 21:25:48 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:30:45 2010.

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I like how they look, and IMHO they look way better than the SLVs!!

Pretty sure you're the only person I've heard express either opinion. The Silverliner Vs look like, well, railcars. In particular with a little red paint the SLVs would be dead ringers for slightly modified Cosmopolitan cars. The M8s have more in common with the MF2000, a new-gen VW Beetle, or a beercan-like Japanese EMU than the M2s, M4s and M6s.

As for the pilots, I believe they are just to the same specs in size as the M-7/M-7A pilots. I have to check that in more detail the next time I am around the M-7As.

Just checked photos from Croton a few years back, and yeah, they're almost identical in design, right down to the gap-toothed point at the front of the blade.

They clear thru the snow well, but do keep in mind, the SLVs do not have to worry about clearing third rails with their plows, the M-8s do, much as all of our M-series do.

The Silverliner V's pilot is designed to clear the third rail at NYP. It's in the technical specification. The SLV pilot looks more like the M1-6 pilot. But then I guess subway cars like the M7s and M8s don't need much in the way of snow removal cause they'll just stop running when the snow hits the third rail.

I also notice there are no sanders on the M8s. The MTA added them to the M7s after their infamous wheelflat problems, so it'll be interesting to see if the M8s get them as well someday.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by ebtmikado on Mon Jun 28 21:28:04 2010, in response to PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:05:51 2010.

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Nice looking pieces of equipment! Something new and exciting, that will be attractive to the traveling public...those who pay to ride the line for actual transportation, often on a daily basis.

Lee




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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 28 21:29:01 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Jun 28 21:17:30 2010.

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They really should've kept the 'M7' front

Maybe BBD didn't let them have it.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 21:30:09 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Jun 28 21:17:30 2010.

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I agree on that one!!!

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 21:33:55 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by WillD on Mon Jun 28 21:25:48 2010.

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AFAIK, those sanders were a trial. I have heard the ones on the LIRR have been removed on a few of the test pilot cars (though the S marker still remains on the cab body). AFAIK, those sanders were taken off MNR's few test cars as well. I will ask around and get confirmation on that.

Interestingly enough, several M-7As here on MNR have the sander operating equipment and breaker programming logged into the computer system, yet no sander has been equipped, and it gives a false indication on the TOD that the sander circuit breaker has been tripped, though the breaker does not exist in the breaker panel.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 21:35:38 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by ebtmikado on Mon Jun 28 21:28:04 2010.

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I definitely think they are as well, and I look forward to keeping the masses moving over the NH with them!! I really truly do hope they are gonna perform as good as they look.

Not for nothing though, I will trade you a pair of these for one of your good working Steamers!! :-D


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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by arnine on Mon Jun 28 21:46:34 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Jun 28 21:17:30 2010.

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IAWTP

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 21:48:11 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Jun 28 20:42:26 2010.

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Thanks!! :-D

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by monorail on Mon Jun 28 21:49:22 2010, in response to PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:05:51 2010.

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nice!

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 21:49:55 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Jun 28 21:17:30 2010.

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How would this have looked????
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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 21:50:46 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by monorail on Mon Jun 28 21:49:22 2010.

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Thanks!! Gonna be nicer when I get to do their maiden passenger service run!! :-D LOL (Wishful thinking!! :-D)

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by N6 Limited on Mon Jun 28 21:58:05 2010, in response to PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:05:51 2010.

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yuck

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 22:00:04 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Jun 28 21:58:05 2010.

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Ahhhhhhh, they are not bad at all!! When you see them in person, you will change your mind, I did!! I used to think they were the ugliest things in creation until I actually saw them in person. :-)

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Grand Concourse on Mon Jun 28 22:06:58 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 28 21:29:01 2010.

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Well BBD and Kawasaki both shared similar designs for the R142/R62s.
At least the M8 top lights should've been side by side vs one on top of the other.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 28 22:14:19 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 21:07:22 2010.

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I can't say north of NYC, but definitely to NYPenn. Xmas day 67 (yeah, a while ago) I got a "cab/RFW ride" on a string of Silverliners which ran as an advance section of a DC-Boston train starting at 30th St. Whether Amtrak uses SLs these days I don't know. As I live in CA, I don't see the holiday extras unless someone posts pix.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 28 22:17:23 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 28 21:01:14 2010.

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No, see my other post. Compatibility is why we have AAR standards for interchange. I have said many times MNR should some day bite the bullet and standardize (or develop a flipping model) third rail shoes.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 28 22:19:26 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:59:52 2010.

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well, yeah, pretty but broken sucks.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by bklyntekgeek on Mon Jun 28 22:35:37 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 21:03:38 2010.

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Agreed. Be nice to see an updated R-40 slant and R44 :D


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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 28 22:41:17 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jun 28 22:17:23 2010.

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I have said many times MNR should some day bite the bullet and standardize (or develop a flipping model) third rail shoes

What for? They've got GCT all to themselves. If anything, they ought to get rid of third rail altogether.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Forest Glen on Mon Jun 28 23:43:31 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 28 20:06:50 2010.

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From the side it looks hot. From the front it looks like Elena Kagan.

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 28 23:47:18 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Jun 28 23:43:31 2010.

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You wouldn't go out with Elena Kagan?

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 29 18:49:59 2010, in response to PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 20:05:51 2010.

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Well I'm still in the minority that thinks they look good. Nice pics, Paul.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by JayMan on Tue Jun 29 19:22:14 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jun 28 21:49:55 2010.

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Significantly better than how it actually looks! ;)

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Jun 29 20:17:21 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by JayMan on Tue Jun 29 19:22:14 2010.

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Well, guess who is about to get ready to go in and cover an M-8 test train on the Hudson Line tonight????

Come tomorrow, I can definitely offer up a score card on how well she runs!!

Stay tuned!! ;-)

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Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Tue Jun 29 20:20:10 2010, in response to Re: PHOTOS : Introducing.....The M-8, posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 29 18:49:59 2010.

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Thanks, Fred!! :-)

You and me both, Fred!! And tonight, I get to find out how well they run......some lucky SOB, namely your friendly, neighborhood #1 Conductor decided to come in for some OT $$$$$$ and take some test runs on the Hudson from GCT with her!! Do expect my official scorecard!! :-D

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