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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 22 21:50:09 2010 At Myrtle-Wyckoff:
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Posted by arnine on Fri Apr 23 04:37:54 2010, in response to Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 22 21:50:09 2010. Cool |
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Posted by sloth on Fri Apr 23 08:30:46 2010, in response to Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 22 21:50:09 2010. Nice! Thanks for posting that! Any idea when that was taken?By the way, is there any way of finding out where the ROW is north of the Bushwick Branch? All I've been able to find is a strangely angled building just south of the BQE on Manhattan Avenue. |
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Posted by Mellow One on Fri Apr 23 09:03:10 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by sloth on Fri Apr 23 08:30:46 2010. That was from a fan trip in the 50's.Check Art's Archives, the LIRR History site and Forgotten NY sites. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 11:31:43 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Mellow One on Fri Apr 23 09:03:10 2010.     Where did the LIRR use it's RDC's? Seems like they should have had a huge fleet handling all their diesel runs except the Cannonball. |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Fri Apr 23 11:33:27 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 11:31:43 2010. Used mostly on the east end. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 11:41:44 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by ebtmikado on Fri Apr 23 11:33:27 2010. Could a simple two or three car train cover the entire mainline between Hicksville and Greenport? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 23 11:42:13 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 11:31:43 2010. That's it, just those two.They were used as a shuttle out at the East End, IIRC on a track no longer extant. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 23 11:43:21 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 11:41:44 2010. Nope. Never Did.ROAR |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Fri Apr 23 11:45:33 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 23 11:42:13 2010. I believe in the early/mid 60's the RDC's were used in something called the Fishermen's Special. As a 12 yr old I saw it cross Main St. on the Central Branch at So. Farmingdale. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Apr 23 11:57:26 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Fulton Frank on Fri Apr 23 11:45:33 2010. Hey,I remember those when I was a kid thanks for reminding me of those, my dad went on some of those fisherman specials with the guys he worked with. why the hell can't they have these fun things today ?is this society so screwed up to take these pleasures away like everything else people like to do. Karl M |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 12:01:53 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Apr 23 11:43:21 2010. Didn't think so. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 12:03:57 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 11:31:43 2010. Hey, anyone notice the catenary in the last picture? |
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Posted by Mellow One on Fri Apr 23 12:08:20 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 12:03:57 2010. That is probably alongside of the NY Connecting Bay Ridge Line. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 12:30:04 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Mellow One on Fri Apr 23 12:08:20 2010. Oh yeah. I forgot about that. It's identified as Cooper Junction. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 23 12:46:12 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Apr 23 11:57:26 2010. Haha, so true. We used to have fun. And then TV went got broadcast in color and it all went to shit.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by sloth on Fri Apr 23 12:54:35 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Mellow One on Fri Apr 23 09:03:10 2010. I've looked at all three sites. None of them are too precise, and the area has changed alot since 1897 besides. There's another strangely angled building at the end of Scholes St, west of Varick Ave, visible on the Google satellite view. Then it crossed English Kills (not sure where), paralleled Vandevoort (again, not sure where, though maybe Vandevoort is so wide because it incorporates the ROW?), turned west running between Frost and Richardson, and it looks as if Beverage World, on the SE corner of Manhattan & Meeker, is newer construction than the surrounding buildings, and is also a rather oddly shaped building, and then I don't know where the ROW goes until it exits McCarren Park as North 15th Street. I've never seen a street map that shows the ROW, because it existed for so short a time. For abandoned ROW searching, this one is a pretty high degree of difficulty. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Apr 23 13:18:13 2010, in response to Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 22 21:50:09 2010. Was the line single tracked? |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 23 13:21:51 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by sloth on Fri Apr 23 12:54:35 2010. Oh stop being so lazy! :Dyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 13:25:44 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Apr 23 13:18:13 2010. Yes. It ran from the Bay Ridge line near Cooper Ave to a junction with the Bushwich Branch. A lot of it has been built upon in recent years. Much of it ran down alleys and across unprotected grade crossings and was little used:
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Apr 23 14:52:18 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 23 13:21:51 2010. Sloth lazy? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Apr 23 15:01:24 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 13:25:44 2010. Man...that would be great if the line was converted for LRT use....and use smaller type LTR cars to fit through the narrow passages like in Europe.....those pics that Miltran posts from LTRs in Europe prove my point. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 23 15:05:02 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 13:25:44 2010. I was fascinated by the grade crossings as a kid. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Apr 23 15:17:49 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 23 15:05:02 2010. In what way? that there were no crossing gates? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 23 15:25:07 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Apr 23 15:17:49 2010. Everything fascinated me. The tracks going through a long alley was awesome. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 15:26:48 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 23 15:05:02 2010. As was I, but I never saw a train on it, ever. Little did I know that it was already pretty much abandoned by 1980. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 15:30:04 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Apr 23 15:01:24 2010. Interesting, the line basically ran parallel to Cypress Ave, which IIRC is the B18 bus route. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Apr 23 15:32:09 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 11:41:44 2010. If it was used for intra-island service only, maybe. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Apr 23 15:54:54 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 23 15:25:07 2010. "The tracks going through a long alley was awesome."I am sure that the houses and such were built up way after the ROW was laid down. There may not have been house or buildings at the time. |
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Posted by Brighton Private on Fri Apr 23 16:15:21 2010, in response to Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 22 21:50:09 2010. Looks as though this stretch was double track until those huts will built on the right-hand side. Was it? |
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Posted by Brighton Private on Fri Apr 23 16:16:54 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 11:31:43 2010. Fantastic. Catch those open-air cars on the el! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Apr 23 16:33:57 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 11:31:43 2010. Thanks for the pics ..ChrisR16 |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri Apr 23 16:36:56 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by sloth on Fri Apr 23 12:54:35 2010. Check the 1924 aerial photos, there are buildings built around the New York and Manhattan Beach railroad that still existed then, and some still are around now. The routing between Frost/Richardon RoW (where it literally ran through people's backyards) and what is now McCarren Park is a mystery right now, it might have gone down Union St., don't rightly know yet.There is a map that is on the Art H LIRR site, and if we had the missing piece between what is now McCarren Park and the Frost/Richardson right of way heading to Van DerVoort, we'd have the missing piece. Being that this narrow gauge railroad is local to me now, I am seriously doing some research where ever I can find it. |
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Posted by dupont circle station on Fri Apr 23 16:38:52 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Apr 23 15:01:24 2010. The ROW was parallel to Wyckoff, about 1/4 of the block down toward Irving. It passed just a few doors up the street from my great aunt's building on Harman. It was active at least as late as 1974. There are new buildings blocking it at a number of locations, so it's no longer possible to use it. |
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Posted by R PansePCC on Fri Apr 23 17:52:17 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 13:25:44 2010. I remember these tracks being in limited use in the 60's. My Father and I often walked from Putnam down towards the St Felix St. area. I wonder if they were still in use today if the would feature idling diesel engines and garbage. They use be used to transport lumber to the old lumber yard at Putnam & Wyckoff. That sight is now a supermarket. |
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Posted by R PansePCC on Fri Apr 23 17:53:28 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by R PansePCC on Fri Apr 23 17:52:17 2010. Oops I meant to type site and not sight. Sorry Luchaaa |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Apr 23 18:06:49 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by R PansePCC on Fri Apr 23 17:53:28 2010. spider-pig |
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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Fri Apr 23 20:44:38 2010, in response to Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 22 21:50:09 2010. Alot of answers are in the arrts-archive Evergreen Branch pages. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 23 22:29:12 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 11:31:43 2010. The RDC's were often used on the Patchogue-Babylon Scoot. They only owned two units, as far as I know. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 23 22:30:28 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 11:41:44 2010. They didn't really often use it on Montauk runs. It was mostly used on the Pathchogue-Babylon Scoot |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 23 22:33:09 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by sloth on Fri Apr 23 08:30:46 2010. The line ran mostly between Irving and Wyckoff Ave on a private ROW about half way between those two streets. it ran off of the Bay Ridge line and connected with the Bushwick Branch. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 23 22:34:29 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 15:30:04 2010. No, it ran basically between Irving and Wyckoff Ave's, about half way between those two streets, slightly closer to Wyckoff. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 23 22:35:12 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by dupont circle station on Fri Apr 23 16:38:52 2010. The last customer was a lumber yard I believe, and that place burned in a major fire. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 23 22:36:22 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Apr 23 15:54:54 2010. Most of the homes were built in the 1900's and 1910s. The branch was probably there before that. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 23 22:36:49 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 23 15:26:48 2010. I think it waqs official by 1982, but I am not 100% sure |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 23 22:44:19 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by R PansePCC on Fri Apr 23 17:52:17 2010. I remember all that too, including when they built the supermarket, I think it was originally a Waldbaums. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 23 22:44:46 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Brighton Private on Fri Apr 23 16:15:21 2010. The ROW was two tracks wide, but I don't know if they ever used two tracks. |
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Posted by dupont circle station on Sat Apr 24 00:02:56 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 23 22:44:46 2010. I never saw evidence of there ever having been two tracks. If there ever was a second track, it had to have been removed and all traces eradicated by 1912 when my relatives moved into the neighborhood. As I remember it, the track was mostly in the center of the ROW. In some spots it shifted slightly to one side. Perhaps there were provisions for sidings, but there definitely were none between Dekalb and Palmetto. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 24 01:04:11 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 23 22:34:29 2010. Technically we are both right. I though the ROW was north of Wyckoff, it's south. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sat Apr 24 11:35:33 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Brighton Private on Fri Apr 23 16:16:54 2010. The nicest thing riding those convertible cars in the summer was the nice breeze you got when the sides were open, that and being able to ride on the open platforms as well except of course the front and rear platforms. Karl M |
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