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Posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sat Apr 24 15:09:30 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Brighton Private on Fri Apr 23 16:15:21 2010. Check out The Atlas of the Entire City of Brooklyn Complete in One Volume, dated 1880. It can be found on the WardsMaps LLC website. On the 1880 map look for plates 23, 25 and 27.The 1880 map shows the routing of the line through Greenpoint and East Williamsburg. It appears alot of streets were demapped when MaCarren Park was made, and other streets in the area just south of there rearranged since that time. I went to a google satellite map to compare today with the routing, the BQE makes a mess of things, but you can still trace the route using structures built to the original property lines. The line was originally single tracked and narrow gauge from the Greenpoint waterfront all the way out to Glendale, and narrow gauge to Manhattan Beach. It was later double tracked (but still narrow gauge) at great expense. Then shortly thereafter, single tracked and standard gauged. Then abandoned to where the Evergreen branch we know of today terminated not too many years afterward. I had a good time locating the maps and finally finding the routing of this line! Thanks also to Arrt-LIRR site. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 24 19:12:11 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sat Apr 24 15:09:30 2010. Very interesting! Thanks! |
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Posted by sloth on Sat Apr 24 23:01:27 2010, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by jan k. lorenzen on Sat Apr 24 15:09:30 2010. Jan, thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for!Also plate 30 has the location of the english kills crossing. Far as I can tell, comparing 1880 to 2010-- The Evergreen leaves the waterfront on North 15th, continues across McCarren in a straight line to the intersection of Leonard & Bayard. The building on the SE corner has a diagonal wall. ROW next appears at Manhattan Ave between Richardson & Frost, crosses Frost just W of Debevoise Ave, and begins to curve SE, crossing Morgan Ave a little S of Withers St. The RR then crosses Vandevoort just S of Rewe Street. Looks like no trace at all remains in this area. The western leg of the triangle at the intersection of Metropolitan & Grand might be the ROW. A lot of strange angles here but none that seem to fit. Then it crossed English Kills at the end of Maujer St (now demapped E of Morgan). Resuming on the other side of English Kills, the bend in Meadow Street could be where the ROW was. The angled building on Scholes Street now seems out of the line-- too far west-- and it rejoins the longer-lived part of the ROW at the corner of Randolph St & Varick Ave. Interestingly also, the Bushwick Branch ROW is mapped as Montrose Avenue. |
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Wed May 2 08:17:52 2018, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by ebtmikado on Fri Apr 23 11:33:27 2010. My father worked for the LIRR. I remember riding the RECs out to Greenport when I was a kid back in the 60s. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 2 09:20:49 2018, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Wed May 2 08:17:52 2018. The RDC's last trip on the LIRR was fatal one killing the engineer somewhere in the pine barons at a grade crossing.One car was scrapped, the other traded to the B&O for a Parlor-Observation car. On the B&O, that RDC became part of the early MARC fleet for the Brunswick and Camden lines. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 2 09:49:25 2018, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 23 22:30:28 2010. Other than fan trips, it was only used on the Scoot, AFAIK. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 2 09:59:46 2018, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Dave on Wed May 2 09:49:25 2018. It did Jamaica - Greenport, Jamaica - Oyster- Bay, and Patchogue Scoot service in the 1960's.In the 1950's, Scoots to Riverhead and Southampton, sometimes dragging a P54 coach, which voided their Budd warranty. Service dropped with Road'n'Rail bus service. In the 1960's Patchogue service was distinct and separate from Speonk service, none of which were Scoots from Babylon. All the South Shore diesel services blended after 1975 when the Road'n'Rail bus service was dropped. |
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Wed May 2 10:04:50 2018, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Joe V on Wed May 2 09:20:49 2018. Wowrtrt I didn't know that. My trips to GréenpoRt were before that. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed May 2 11:12:07 2018, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Joe V on Wed May 2 09:20:49 2018. The RDC's last trip on the LIRR was fatal one killing the engineer somewhere in the pine barons at a grade crossing. Joe: The accident occurred at Holtsville, New York when the train struck a loaded sand truck. The engineer, Patsy Molese was fatally injured. RDC-1 3101 was in the lead and took the brunt of the punishment. She was stored on the remnant of the Whitestone Branch in Flushing until sold for scrap in December 1971. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by ro_jo on Wed May 2 12:31:03 2018, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by sloth on Fri Apr 23 12:54:35 2010. Looking at the tax map there's only one additional clue:Borough: BROOKLYN Block: 2723 Lot: 5 Although the building on it is rectangular (occupying lots 7 and 5) the angle of the triangle lines up with a nice curve from the back lot ROW between Frost and Richardson. Also for the curious, you can see the aforementioned "funny shaped building south of the BQE at Manhattan" as the combination of lots 38 and 35 in Block 2734. The curved ROW would be a part of lot 4 -Rob |
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Posted by ro_jo on Wed May 2 12:35:10 2018, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by ro_jo on Wed May 2 12:31:03 2018. Oops..fixed link for tax map Sorry all :) -Rob |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 2 12:48:20 2018, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by Joe V on Wed May 2 09:59:46 2018. Didn't know about use other than the Scoot. Thanks, Joe! |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Wed May 2 21:08:17 2018, in response to Re: Evergreen Branch as Seen from El, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Apr 23 22:44:19 2010. It's a Food Bazaar now. While the tracks aren't there the row is still evident today. |
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