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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 21 12:34:31 2010, in response to Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by mac5689 on Wed Apr 21 12:18:23 2010. 
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Posted by znufrii on Wed Apr 21 12:35:16 2010, in response to Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by mac5689 on Wed Apr 21 12:18:23 2010. Probably referring to the article in the NYTimes about them losing their bar cars. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 21 12:43:32 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by znufrii on Wed Apr 21 12:35:16 2010. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/21/nyregion/21barcar.html |
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Posted by andy on Wed Apr 21 13:12:24 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by znufrii on Wed Apr 21 12:35:16 2010. The LIRR and MNR Hudson/Harlem lines stopped on train bar cars years ago but still sell drinks (alchohol and non-alcohol) from vendor carts at Penn, Jamaica, Flatbush, and Grand Central. Idea is for the New Haven MNR trains to follow suit, but there appears to be a large number of regular riders who like the amenity. Wait and see. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Wed Apr 21 13:24:41 2010, in response to Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by mac5689 on Wed Apr 21 12:18:23 2010. >>or is my dad lying again?<<Say, you should have your dad join this website. He would fit right in. |
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Posted by znufrii on Wed Apr 21 13:50:39 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 21 12:43:32 2010. There it is. Thanks. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 21 13:54:13 2010, in response to Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by mac5689 on Wed Apr 21 12:18:23 2010. or as he said "The Last Call for the New Haven Line" . . . is my dad lying again?Are you too young to understand what "last call" means? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Apr 21 13:56:00 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by andy on Wed Apr 21 13:12:24 2010. Pre Amtrak the bankrupt New Haven was the ONLY RR to report a profit on "dining service" -- the bar cars on the NY commuter trains. |
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Posted by mac5689 on Wed Apr 21 16:42:40 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by Tony Clifton on Wed Apr 21 13:24:41 2010. Nope, i wouldn't do that. I don't want to shoot the site in the foot. LOL |
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Posted by mac5689 on Wed Apr 21 16:45:47 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 21 13:54:13 2010. i'm young, but i understand what it means depending on how it's said. When my dad said it he didn't say it in a way that would have told me that they were cutting the bar car |
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Posted by mac5689 on Wed Apr 21 16:47:55 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by znufrii on Wed Apr 21 12:35:16 2010. well that explains why they were talking about it the show he was watching. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Apr 21 16:50:57 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by andy on Wed Apr 21 13:12:24 2010. They will only last as long as the M2 bar cars remain in service. No replacements have been ordered (AFAIK). |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Wed Apr 21 20:01:37 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by andy on Wed Apr 21 13:12:24 2010. Years ago, when the first wave of bomb cars showed up on the hudson line, there were no bar cars at all & the riders bitched. So the railroad caved & took #6152 & ripped out several rows of seats & luggage racks, installed a pre fab bar & presto! a bar car.When I first moved upstate, I'd ride in the bar car & met several good people & some turned out to be friends for life. Good quality workin class folk who just happened to like a cocktail & a smoke to wind down from the day. But the beginning of the end was the smoking ban that took effect in 1988 IIRC. A drink without a smoke?? Impossible!! But they did'nt get the message to stop smoking in the bar car intil plainclosed cops showed up one day & hit these working class types with $50 DAT's To wrap this up, the suits decided to end Hudson Line bar car service to Poughkeepsie, ripped out the pre-fab bar, replaced the seats & #6152 is now just another coach in the fleet. But any trainpersons who post here & someday work that car, stop in the middle where the bar was, on the right side, you can still see holes in the wall where the NYS licquor license frame was. Hold one hand over your heart & the other over your liver! If those walls could talk.. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 21 20:06:21 2010, in response to Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by mac5689 on Wed Apr 21 12:18:23 2010. Tell your dad that Fred sez to drink through it :Dyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 21 20:09:44 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 21 20:06:21 2010. When the bar car went away on the Hudson line, I started taking the bus. Take away my bar car and you might as well shut down the railroad. :) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Apr 21 21:29:06 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 21 20:09:44 2010. gosh, I am truly sorry for you. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 21 21:41:01 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Apr 21 21:29:06 2010. Nah ... it's OK ... I live further away now and Amtrak usually has a bar car. :) |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Apr 21 21:43:50 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by fisk ave jim on Wed Apr 21 20:01:37 2010. The 6152 was regularly assigned to the 512 to Poughkeepsie. In those days that was the only real express on the Hudson Line. Its first stop was Pekskill. It was always a seven car train with the bar car in the middle. One day before we left GCT the conductor made an annoucement that we would have to change equipment because a paasenger was having a heart attack in one of the cars. They put us on the equipment of a following train which only had six cars. I figured that the new train would be overcrowded but is was'nt. The bar cars passengers remained with the bar car. Once the sick passenger was removed that train would eventually go to Poughkeepsie. They were a very dedicated crew.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 21 21:47:14 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Apr 21 21:43:50 2010. I remember when they used to run on the Montauk Branch. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Apr 21 21:54:37 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 21 21:47:14 2010. Until about 1983 or so many of the trains on the Harlem and Hudson Lines were standard coaches and several were former cafe or parlor cars. They would serve coffee and donuts on the inbound trips in the AM and then serve drinks going outbound at night. In the late 1970's the M-2's would operate as true cafe cars serving midday sandwiches and snacks.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 21 22:15:28 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Apr 21 21:54:37 2010. A shame, we "lose" a lot as we "progress" as a society. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 22 03:15:31 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 21 22:15:28 2010. Yeah . . . becoming more uncivilized . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 22 03:18:57 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by mac5689 on Wed Apr 21 16:45:47 2010. i understand what it means depending on how it's saidThere's only one meaning of "last call". The phrase never applies to a railroad shutting down. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 22 03:19:32 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by Tony Clifton on Wed Apr 21 13:24:41 2010. So you're claiming to be a liar? |
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FALSE REPORTING, Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line? |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Thu Apr 22 14:23:55 2010, in response to Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by mac5689 on Wed Apr 21 12:18:23 2010. The following disclaimer from Jim Cameron, Chairman of the Connecticut Rail Commuter Council: "Fellow commuters... "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story". This old newsroom mantra apparently was the rule when the NY Times yesterday ignored the facts and presented the headline... "One for the Road? Bar Cars May Face a Last Call" Though three members of the CT Rail Commuter Council worked with reporter Michael Grynbaum to get the story right, he ignored the facts in favor of a sexier story. The reporter implied that when the new M8 cars arrive, the 8 existing bar cars would be replaced. Not so! The 8 bar cars we have all have undergone recent rehab's and can run for 10 - 15 more years. He also implied that "the recession" might force a rethinking of plans to order new bar cars. The Commuter Council, meeting last night, was reassured by both Metro-North and CT DOT that there are no plans to eliminate bar cars on Connecticut trains. CDOT also told the Council they would share design concepts with us for new M8 bar cars, currently under bid from Kawasaki. The issue of continued if not improved bar car service has been a priority of the Commuter Council for the 25 years of its existence. We will continue that advocacy... and seek a correction from the NY Times for its sloppy reporting. "Cheers"! Jim Cameron, Chairman CT Metro-North Rail Commuter Council "Advocates for better rail services in CT" Web: www.trainweb.org/ct" |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Apr 22 14:46:17 2010, in response to FALSE REPORTING, Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by ebtmikado on Thu Apr 22 14:23:55 2010. Cool. Shame on the NY Times |
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Posted by 9 local on Thu Apr 22 15:07:00 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 21 21:41:01 2010. I thought they pulled cafe service on Empire trains that short-turn at Albany. |
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Re: FALSE REPORTING, Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 22 15:21:50 2010, in response to FALSE REPORTING, Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by ebtmikado on Thu Apr 22 14:23:55 2010. NYT strikes out again. When are they going to go OOB already and stop churning out subsidized propaganda? |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Thu Apr 22 19:49:24 2010, in response to FALSE REPORTING, Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by ebtmikado on Thu Apr 22 14:23:55 2010. Now if only someone would step up to the plate on the New York side & fight for the return of a few bar cars to the Harlem & Husdon line.That would be nice. Hell, we like to throw down a few after we punch out too. New Haven folk should'nt stand out as the only thirsty commuters in the area!!! Sharing is caring!!:) |
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Re: FALSE REPORTING, Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 22 19:54:05 2010, in response to Re: FALSE REPORTING, Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by fisk ave jim on Thu Apr 22 19:49:24 2010. Meatball Norsk still has the brown paper bag bar car. :)
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Re: FALSE REPORTING, Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line? |
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Posted by fisk ave jim on Thu Apr 22 20:09:31 2010, in response to Re: FALSE REPORTING, Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 22 19:54:05 2010. LOL!! verry funny!!But I still miss #6152!! There's a tear in my beer cause that cars' not here!!(:! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 22 20:10:49 2010, in response to Re: FALSE REPORTING, Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by fisk ave jim on Thu Apr 22 19:49:24 2010. What about NJT? They used to have bar cars on the Hoboken Division (which made a few trips over onto the NJCL) until the early 90s or so. |
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Re: FALSE REPORTING, Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 22 20:23:02 2010, in response to Re: FALSE REPORTING, Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by fisk ave jim on Thu Apr 22 20:09:31 2010. Same here ... I used to ride that train ... |
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Re: FALSE REPORTING, Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line? |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Thu Apr 22 20:55:48 2010, in response to Re: FALSE REPORTING, Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by fisk ave jim on Thu Apr 22 19:49:24 2010. Maybe the MTA doesn't feel that Harlem and Hudson passengers know how to hold their liquor :o)squeak |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Apr 22 21:10:31 2010, in response to Re: FALSE REPORTING, Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by ebtmikado on Thu Apr 22 20:55:48 2010. Lol, then they should see the bar car when it gets to Stamford :-) One time I was at Stamford and the bar car stopped right in front of me and when the doors opened man the pax stumbled out it was comical |
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Posted by ebtmikado on Thu Apr 22 21:54:32 2010, in response to Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by mac5689 on Wed Apr 21 12:18:23 2010. Check out the opening scenes of the 1958 Paul Newman movie, "Rally Round the Flag, Boys". New Haven train with EP-4 locomotive, bar car interior views. Lee |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 22 22:20:47 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by ebtmikado on Thu Apr 22 21:54:32 2010. All setting sail for Lake Plastered.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Apr 23 00:30:08 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 21 22:15:28 2010. I sometimes wonder about the progress part sometimesCould have something to do with getting older. Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 23 05:37:38 2010, in response to Re: Is Something happening to the New Haven Line?, posted by ebtmikado on Thu Apr 22 21:54:32 2010. Very cool that they have an EP-4 on film. As nice as Raymond Loewy's stying is, the streamlining of the EP-4 appears to be a lot more practical and the cab less claustrophobic than that of the GG-1 . . . and it's a pity that the NH didn't have more money so that the EP-4 could go all the way to Boston via an electrified Air Line . . . (after all, the NH was the one that gave the PRR the idea to use the 2-C+C-2 wheel arrangement) |
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