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Kiss the "diamond" on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by Railman718 on Mon May 30 00:13:25 2005

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If im correct MOST of the R142 fleet has the updated software worked the 5 today and all i see was the new signage on the 4 5 and 6 trains.The 4 read as Lexington Ave EXP Eastern PKWY EXP Woodlawn
The 5 read as Lextington Ave EXP Bronx LCL Bowling Green
The 6 read as Lextington Ave LCL Pelham LCL Pelham Bay Park
The 2 read as 7AV EXP Eastern PKWY LCL Flatbush AVE
As of Tuesday May 31 st there will be no more 5 "diamond" trains leaving or going to Neried Ave.Im sure the new map has this as well only the 6 and 7 trains will still have thier diamonds on the map and on the train signage.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:18:33 2005, in response to Kiss the "diamond" on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by Railman718 on Mon May 30 00:13:25 2005.

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MTA maps show a rush hour peak direction 5 service going to Nereid Av, as of May 29. Are you saying that service is being eliminated?

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by 7 to Main St on Mon May 30 00:19:59 2005, in response to Kiss the "diamond" on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by Railman718 on Mon May 30 00:13:25 2005.

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Whats the point of killing the 5 Diamond.

I mean, people like to see in advance if its their train. Now they got to wait till the train fully enters while they could just be sitting down if they know its not there train.

Let me guess, we'll be finding a green 9 as the new express? >_>;

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 30 00:22:25 2005, in response to Kiss the "diamond" on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by Railman718 on Mon May 30 00:13:25 2005.

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That's stupid. That's one place the diamond made sense.

I guess it's inconsistent. Rush hour 2's to New Lots never carried diamonds -- but that's probably simply because R-33 rolls never had diamond-2's.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:24:13 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 30 00:22:25 2005.

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Well, actually, it wouldmake more sense to assign it a different number (the 9 is available now) since that train uses a different branch than regular 5 service.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Mon May 30 00:25:27 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:18:33 2005.

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No there just not going to have them with the Diamond sings and more. There was a notest in our board at work out that said the only diamond train will be the <6> and the <7>. All other serices will still run but only with the (5) signs.

Robert

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 30 00:30:22 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:24:13 2005.

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No it wouldn't. It's identical to the other 5 between E180 and Franklin. It differs only in the last few stops at either end. To most of the passengers along the line, a numerical distinction would only create confusion.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by 7 to Main St on Mon May 30 00:32:18 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 30 00:30:22 2005.

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But wasnt it the S before the 5 anyways? Or some number switching? So why not change it again? I still fail to see why they removed a simple 5 Diamond from a digital sign. Are they trying to save on there LED's now? <_<

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:32:37 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 30 00:30:22 2005.

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"It differs only in the last few stops at either end"

It differs as significantly as the 2 differs from the 3.

"To most of the passengers along the line, a numerical distinction would only create confusion."

No, it would remove the current confusion. Passengers would understand the 9 train runs only at rush hour and always goes to Nereid Av. That's clearer for passengers.


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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 30 00:40:27 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:32:37 2005.

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No it doesn't. The 3 doesn't enter the Bronx at all. The 3 runs all day in both directions. The diamond-5 runs only rush hours, peak-direction only (from the Bronx's perspective), and diverges from the circle-5 well into the Bronx and well into Brooklyn. It doesn't even have one consistent south terminal.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:42:38 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 30 00:40:27 2005.

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"No it doesn't. The 3 doesn't enter the Bronx at all."

Not relevant. The only relevant issue is that it branches away from the 2 and has a different terminal.

"It doesn't even have one consistent south terminal. "

Again, not relevant. It has a consistent northern terminal (Nereid). It never runs to Dyre Av.


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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by monorail on Mon May 30 00:43:18 2005, in response to Kiss the "diamond" on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by Railman718 on Mon May 30 00:13:25 2005.

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I thought "Diamonds are Forever"!

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:44:15 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by monorail on Mon May 30 00:43:18 2005.

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Only if James Bond starts riding the subway.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by South Ferry on Mon May 30 00:44:39 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by North-Easten T/O on Mon May 30 00:25:27 2005.

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So that peak-direction EXPRESS E180-149 service we know and LOVE on the 5 is still safe???????

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:46:25 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by North-Easten T/O on Mon May 30 00:25:27 2005.

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Thank you.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 30 00:47:48 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:42:38 2005.

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There are 2 trains that run to New Lots. Should they have a different number?

There are E trains that run to 179. Should they have a different letter?

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by G1Ravage on Mon May 30 00:50:18 2005, in response to Kiss the "diamond" on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by Railman718 on Mon May 30 00:13:25 2005.

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AAAAGGGGHHHHH

I'm falling behind the times....I need to head into Manhattan and check this out.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:51:28 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by David of Broadway on Mon May 30 00:47:48 2005.

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"There are E trains that run to 179. Should they have a different letter? "

I hadn't thought of that, but yes, David, they should. Very good of you to think of that! We can use the letter T or U or perhaps K.





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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by MetsFan4552 on Mon May 30 00:54:37 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:32:37 2005.

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I think certain people would think of the 9 as the now discontinued skip/stop service, instead of a replacement 5.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by Broadway Junction on Mon May 30 00:55:37 2005, in response to Kiss the "diamond" on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by Railman718 on Mon May 30 00:13:25 2005.

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I'll miss the diamond 5...it always had a somewhat more "authoritative" look than the circle.



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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by 7 to Main St on Mon May 30 00:56:16 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by Broadway Junction on Mon May 30 00:55:37 2005.

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How exactly was that photo taken?

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by Broadway Junction on Mon May 30 00:56:41 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:32:37 2005.

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If you're going to argue that, at least use a number that makes sense (8), and not one that's still on many station signs and maps and fresh in people's minds (not to mention the wrong color on half the A division's fleet).

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by monorail on Mon May 30 00:56:47 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by 7 to Main St on Mon May 30 00:56:16 2005.

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camera
pressed shutter button

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by mr_brian on Mon May 30 00:58:06 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by monorail on Mon May 30 00:56:47 2005.

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Beat me to it.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:58:54 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by Broadway Junction on Mon May 30 00:56:41 2005.

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OK, sure. Pick whatever number you want.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:59:46 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by MetsFan4552 on Mon May 30 00:54:37 2005.

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Then pick a different one. 8 and 9 are available; you can pick "10". Or whatever.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by 7 to Main St on Mon May 30 01:01:45 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by monorail on Mon May 30 00:56:47 2005.

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I'm looking for a real answer, not a sarcastic responce.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by monorail on Mon May 30 01:01:48 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by mr_brian on Mon May 30 00:58:06 2005.

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sorry, I'm not a sadist
but thanks for the offer!

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by Broadway Junction on Mon May 30 01:02:35 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:59:46 2005.

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10 doesn't fit on R142 signage.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by monorail on Mon May 30 01:02:46 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by 7 to Main St on Mon May 30 01:01:45 2005.

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patience
I'm sure someone will answer

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by Broadway Junction on Mon May 30 01:03:04 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by monorail on Mon May 30 01:02:46 2005.

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I hope he has a lot of patience...

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by 7 to Main St on Mon May 30 01:03:43 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by Broadway Junction on Mon May 30 00:56:41 2005.

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Lets not use 8, that shall forever be the 3rd Ave El. <_<'

They should use (0), and not use (O), so atleast its useable.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by monorail on Mon May 30 01:04:12 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by Broadway Junction on Mon May 30 01:03:04 2005.

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time will tell
and if not, perhaps
WILLIAM will TELL


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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by Broadway Junction on Mon May 30 01:05:20 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by monorail on Mon May 30 01:04:12 2005.

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He's gonna tell? oh noes teh forest!!! I don't wanna get grounded...

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by 7 to Main St on Mon May 30 01:05:22 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by Broadway Junction on Mon May 30 01:03:04 2005.

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"I hope he has a lot of patience..."

And the need of that had to be said, why? I'm not asking for a answer "now", the other one posted a sarcastic answer and I said I was looking for a real one.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by South Ferry on Mon May 30 01:06:32 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by 7 to Main St on Mon May 30 01:05:22 2005.

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maybe there ISN'T a real answer??

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by 7 to Main St on Mon May 30 01:06:42 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by Broadway Junction on Mon May 30 01:02:35 2005.

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Isnt that bad? I mean, what happens if we finally get more new lines to open up whenever(just make believe MTA got its act together to open new lines). How would we identify them then?

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by 7 to Main St on Mon May 30 01:07:41 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by South Ferry on Mon May 30 01:06:32 2005.

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But a sarcastic one about with a camera and a button, that was sorta a bad responce even if he wanted to be funny.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by Broadway Junction on Mon May 30 01:08:15 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by South Ferry on Mon May 30 01:06:32 2005.

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Depends on what you mean by "real".

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 01:15:00 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by Broadway Junction on Mon May 30 01:02:35 2005.

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How do you know that? If you can program a display as wide as <5> you can program a 10.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by Broadway Junction on Mon May 30 01:22:04 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 01:15:00 2005.

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Side signs...

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by monorail on Mon May 30 01:44:46 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by 7 to Main St on Mon May 30 01:07:41 2005.

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if it was sarcastic to say a camera and a button
how would you go about taking a picture
WITHOUT a camera and a button?

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by 7 to Main St on Mon May 30 01:52:42 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by monorail on Mon May 30 01:44:46 2005.

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:sigh: This board is just going down the tubes(LU if you want me to be funny). If you dont have a real responce, do you really need to make one then?

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by R30A on Mon May 30 02:08:25 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 00:51:28 2005.

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if we used a different letter or number for each destination combination we would quickly run out of letters.
the 5 alone would have 9 numbers, not counting broadway reroutes which would bring that up to 17.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Mon May 30 02:20:18 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by monorail on Mon May 30 01:44:46 2005.

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They should of used the 9 to Dyre or to 238st. Maybe what SHOULD HAVE been created was a <1> 1 in a diamond kinda like the 6 express or the 7 express with those wonderful R 62As oh well what ever.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 02:31:05 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by R30A on Mon May 30 02:08:25 2005.

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No we won't. The 5 has two major distinct branches at rush hour in the Bronx, and that's what we represent. Simple.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Mon May 30 03:12:26 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by North-Easten T/O on Mon May 30 00:25:27 2005.

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Hem strange how they are going to further make the 5 confusing during the rush hours. <5> and (5) I concider seperate lines.

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by Broadway Junction on Mon May 30 07:24:49 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by RonInBayside on Mon May 30 02:31:05 2005.

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It also has two major distinct branches at rush hour in Brooklyn. Why shouldn't we represent those as well?

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by Rail Blue on Mon May 30 08:20:34 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by 7 to Main St on Mon May 30 01:03:43 2005.

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Lets not use 8, that shall forever be the 3rd Ave El. <_<'

When they used it for the 3rd Av El, I bet people were saying "Let's not use 8, that shall forever be the Astoria El".

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Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also

Posted by Rail Blue on Mon May 30 08:30:07 2005, in response to Re: Kiss the ''diamond'' on the 5 train goodbye also, posted by 7 to Main St on Mon May 30 00:56:16 2005.

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Looks like it's been taken with a lot of zoom from the RFW of a train waiting for that diamond-5 to clear the station.

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