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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Feb 25 19:39:12 2010, in response to ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 19:03:36 2010. Thanks. That was fairly painless to spreadsheetify. There are no real surprises:The Top 10 1) Times Sq-42 St (N,Q,R,S,W,1,2,3,7)/42 St (A,C,E) 58,099,313 2) Grand Central-42 St (S,4,5,6,7) 42,002,971 3) 34 St-Herald Square (B,D,F,N,Q,R,V,W) 36,945,680 4) 14 St-Union Square (L,N,Q,R,W,4,5,6) 34,245,245 5) 34 St-Penn Station (1,2,3) 27,196,195 6) 34 St-Penn Station (A,C,E) 24,182,097 7) 59 St-Columbus Circle (A,B,C,D,1) 20,418,815 8) Lexington Av (N,R,W)/59 St (4,5,6) 18,924,005 9) 86 St (4,5,6) 18,891,890 10) Fulton St (J,M,Z,2,3,4,5)/Bway-Nassau St (A,C) 18,845,513 The Bottom 10 413) Rockaway Park-Beach 116 St (A,S) 267,902 414) Beach 36 St (A) 263,693 415) Beach 98 St (A,S) 259,501 416) Aqueduct-North Conduit Av (A) 249,341 417) East 143 St-St Mary's St (6) 239,458 418) Beach 44 St (A) 176,647 419) Cortlandt St (R,W) 125,457 420) Broad Channel (A,S) 93,087 421) Beach 105 St (A,S) 58,588 422) Aqueduct Racetrack (A) 27,004 Top Stations by Borough M(1) Times Sq-42 St (N,Q,R,S,W,1,2,3,7)/42 St (A,C,E) 58,099,313 Q(12) Flushing-Main St (7) 18,287,069 B(24) Court St (M,R)/Borough Hall (2,3,4,5) 10,788,326 Bx(36) 161 St-Yankee Stadium (B,D,4) 8,410,256 Bottom Stations by Borough M(396) 215 St (1) 635,361 B(410) Bushwick Av-Aberdeen St (L) 365,349 Bx(417) East 143 St-St Mary's St (6) 239,458 M(419) Cortlandt St (R,W) 125,457 (but was closed for nearly 11 months!) Q(421) Beach 105 St (A,S) 58,588 Q(422) Aqueduct Racetrack (A) 27,004 (but not a full-time station) |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 19:55:00 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Feb 25 19:39:12 2010. Thanks. That was fairly painless to spreadsheetify.No prob; I'm glad "spreadsheeting" the data was painless, considering how very painful it was for me to format that table without those excess carriage returns! (It took quite a while to eliminate all the whitespace!) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 25 19:55:47 2010, in response to ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 19:03:36 2010. Interesting - J, M and L all up. 4 and 2 in Bronx up, 2/3 and 4/5/6 in Harlem up. Fascinating. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 20:41:28 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 25 19:55:47 2010. I agree; also, the Sea Beach and Crosstown lines saw higher ridership this year.As for the (4) seeing higher ridership in The Bronx, think the <4> Bronx Express trials played a part in that? my blog |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Feb 25 21:13:58 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 19:55:00 2010. Ouch! Well, thanks again! I'd thought you must have used some clever editor to do that for you... |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 21:17:40 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Feb 25 21:13:58 2010. I'd thought you must have used some clever editor to do that for you...Actually, that's how I got it started; I used a simple tutorial/online editor to "craft" the table and went from there. The "whitespace" problem, however, was something I discovered - and had to fix - the hard way. my blog |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 25 21:26:24 2010, in response to ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 19:03:36 2010. Notice how the J, M, Z lines through Bushwick and Ridgewood have increased a lot more than many other stations.Also noticable is that the outer end of the L line has also see a huge increase. Shows how gentrification of all those areas are really effecting the subway too. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 25 21:30:09 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Feb 25 19:39:12 2010. Wow, Bowery isn't the lowest in Manhattan anymore...215th is. (I am not counting Cortlandt). The others seem to be the same as the last decade. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 25 21:31:41 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 25 19:55:47 2010. Bushwick has improved exponentially in the last couple years, no where is it more noticable than along the J and M lines. So many new buildings around.Look at Central Ave! |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Thu Feb 25 21:47:47 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 20:41:28 2010. "I agree; also, the Sea Beach and Crosstown lines saw higher ridership this year"It's all the Asians that live along the sea beach that is the reason for the increase. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 21:47:51 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 25 21:26:24 2010. That's usually how it begins; perhaps this will lead to future service improvements along the BMT Eastern routes (after things get better economically, of course).my blog |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Thu Feb 25 21:57:22 2010, in response to ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 19:03:36 2010. The data clearly shows the effects of the economy. The stations that are located in major business centers are down as well as the station where the people who worked at those businesses formally livedThe sea beach line now has many Asians along it who get off at 8th ave station(brooklyn china town) as well as going to china town and to work My friend lives at west 4th and ave U and she and others take the N over the F due to creepy people on the F. The city should push move development along the F. As the age of the Warbass development gets younger neptune ave should get more riders. there is also plans to build a few new buildings. the problem with the F is many people take other lines because it take to long to get to the city. It is a chicken and egg thing. Put in an express and you attract more riders |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Thu Feb 25 21:59:13 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Feb 25 19:39:12 2010. "416) Aqueduct-North Conduit Av (A) 249,341"This station will join the top 10 once the casino opens. Well after patterson gets hauled off to jail after he picked the LOWEST ranked project and pushed the best project from steve wynn out the door |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 25 22:05:56 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by brightonr68 on Thu Feb 25 21:59:13 2010. Steve Wynn knows how to operate a facility like that. It woudl have been a class act. Now it will be some mediocre thing probably.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 25 22:07:24 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 21:47:51 2010. For sure...The J and M now seem to now be the fastest growing lines in the system. The L had been for many years. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 25 22:17:01 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 21:17:40 2010. Well, thanks for your work. |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 22:33:32 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 25 22:17:01 2010. You're welcome! |
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Posted by mike nash on Thu Feb 25 22:41:45 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 25 19:55:47 2010. how about sea beach it also up. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Thu Feb 25 23:13:24 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by mike nash on Thu Feb 25 22:41:45 2010. Sea beach is now major Chinese line with 8th ave as the brooklyn china town. That is the reason for big increases as the Italians who never used mass transit are replace by Chinese from ave U to 8th av |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 23:21:16 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by brightonr68 on Thu Feb 25 21:57:22 2010. The city should push move development along the F.There was a comprehensive study of the (F) line released not too long ago; mayhap MTA is already looking into increasing (F) line utilization. It is a chicken and egg thing. Put in an express and you attract more riders Until the Smith St Viaduct rehab is complete, such cannot be entertained; if the (M)/(V) combo is realized, a Culver Express has almost no chance of being realized. my blog |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 25 23:23:25 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 20:41:28 2010. Yeah, the G went up. Strange. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 25 23:24:06 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 25 21:31:41 2010. Good point. The same rationale applies to the increases in Harlem. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 25 23:34:34 2010, in response to ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 19:03:36 2010. I don't see why they bother to include "Cortlandt Street (1)" on the lists or the maps anymore. By the same logic, the Second Avenue Subway would have been on subway maps since 1972 (with the line, "Under construction until further notice" printed along it).I say take it off the map until they actually open a station there. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 25 23:39:14 2010, in response to ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 19:03:36 2010. Going by the results from the M & J lines one might conclude that new cars = increased ridership. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Thu Feb 25 23:39:34 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 25 22:05:56 2010. Wynn would not put his name on something that was not top notch. Deadbeat slot players will still go to whatever is built but if Wynn built it there would be reasons to head over other than gambling |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Thu Feb 25 23:40:59 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by brightonr68 on Thu Feb 25 23:39:34 2010. The best part is that wynn was going to build all cash. the last developer picked could not line up money and good luck right now. the mta could use a few million new riders on the a. would help all people along the line and the transit workers who work the extra trains |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 25 23:46:26 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 25 23:39:14 2010. Hmmmm. . . |
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Posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 23:54:15 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 25 23:39:14 2010. That's plausible. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 26 00:18:22 2010, in response to ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 19:03:36 2010. Interesting see increases significant increases at 36th Street on Queens Blvd and 39th Ave on the Astoria line. Did a bunch new condos pop up there? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 26 00:23:12 2010, in response to ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 19:03:36 2010. Interesting that the Mets stop is down as much as it was. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 26 00:23:33 2010, in response to ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Concourse Express on Thu Feb 25 19:03:36 2010. Interesting that the Mets stop is down as much as it was. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 26 00:32:08 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 26 00:18:22 2010. I know that area. There may be one or two new buildings, but really, not much has changed. It's curious. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 26 00:49:23 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 26 00:32:08 2010. The two stations are very close to each other.There are a bunch of old factories and municipal buildings right on Northern Blvd. I wonder if a few have been converted into lofts, special learning schools, or work locations for laborers you never see, like the guys who butter the bagels for street carts? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 26 00:57:22 2010, in response to Re: 2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 26 00:23:33 2010. Yup. Willets, Court House Square, and Hunters Point are way down.There are about 8 or 9 new condos, maybe more, within blocks Court House and Hunters Point. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 26 01:09:27 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 26 00:49:23 2010. Possible. Next time I'm there I'll check it out. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Feb 26 01:19:21 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 26 00:18:22 2010. There is no station at 36th Street and Queens Boulevard.I see stations at 36th Street & 4th Avenue in Brooklyn and 36th Street & Northern Boulevard in Queens, but nothing at 36th Street & Queens Boulevard. The only thing that's close is at 33rd Street & Queens Boulevard. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Feb 26 01:28:17 2010, in response to Re: 2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 26 00:57:22 2010. I presume now that Shea Stadium has been reduced to a parking lot, people are starting to drive their cars to Mets games again. What was the ridership at that station the year before CitiField construction began?As for Court House Square, it's probably related to the construction for the in-system transfer to the IND that's causing the reduced ridership there. As for Hunters Point… fewer people taking the LIRR? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 26 01:31:07 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Feb 26 01:19:21 2010. I meant on the Queens Blvd "Trunk Line" as categorized in the stats. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Feb 26 04:23:33 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 26 00:49:23 2010. An NYC HRA and other city offices are nearby. |
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Posted by Joe on Fri Feb 26 04:45:45 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Feb 26 04:23:33 2010. I take it that these figures represent people entering the station, not a total of entering and leaving. |
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Posted by Fytton on Fri Feb 26 06:34:47 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 25 23:39:14 2010. 'Going by the results from the M & J lines one might conclude that new cars = increased ridership'I doubt it. Most people barely notice what kind of car comes along, and few indeed would change their daily travel habits just to ride new cars. The more likely explanation is demographic. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Feb 26 06:40:50 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 25 23:39:14 2010. Maybe. I think it's due to the gentrification of the neighborhoods along those routes.Look at the increases at Central Ave, Hewes, and Marcy. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 26 07:15:22 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 25 23:39:14 2010. No, it's more so the fact that there has been gentrification for years along those lines. There are new buildings popping up everywhere along the Broadway El, and Myrtle line in Bushwick and Williamsburg. All those new residents need to get to work.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 26 07:16:36 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by brightonr68 on Thu Feb 25 23:39:34 2010. Correct...instead of a destination, this will just be another sleazy casino. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 26 07:16:59 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 25 23:24:06 2010. Yes, and also along the G through Bedford-Stuyvesant. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 26 07:17:25 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 25 23:23:25 2010. Not really, Bedford Stuyvesant has also been seeing a rebirth of gentrification. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 26 07:18:39 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Feb 25 23:34:34 2010. Not really, that station isn't considered a "non-station" like the SAS is. It's still an official station, just considered "closed". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 26 07:20:53 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by Joe on Fri Feb 26 04:45:45 2010. Only entering. You don't have to "swipe" to get out...Also not included would be ACTUAL business of stations....any station that has a transfer would not consider the people getting off to transfer. Most of those stations are WAY busier than their stats suggest. And that would not only include stations where two lines meet, but also stations where there are same platform transfers beween routes, as well as express/local transfers. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Feb 26 07:22:09 2010, in response to Re: ***2009 Annual Subway Ridership Statistics***, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Feb 26 01:19:21 2010. COme on, you knew he meant the Queens Blvd Line. |
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