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*****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Mr. MTA on Fri Jun 26 14:41:59 2009

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I rode a northbound C train today from 86th Street to 168 Street and the north motor, Car 3938, has crank roll signs. We got to 168 Street at 2:05pm so it's going downtown by now. I didn't have my camera with me so I don't have pictures but I'm just putting this out there in case anyone wants to look for it. If anyone sees it, please post pictures!

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by South Ferry on Fri Jun 26 15:25:26 2009, in response to *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Mr. MTA on Fri Jun 26 14:41:59 2009.

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...a puddle of foam just formed at McCrappers feet.

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jun 26 15:52:14 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by South Ferry on Fri Jun 26 15:25:26 2009.

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THAT wasn't foam


ROAR

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by South Ferry on Fri Jun 26 16:04:26 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jun 26 15:52:14 2009.

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:c)

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by CurAke79 on Fri Jun 26 16:19:46 2009, in response to *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Mr. MTA on Fri Jun 26 14:41:59 2009.

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I got some old pics with a R-32 crank rollsign but I don't remember the car number

R-32 rollsign!
R-32 rollsign #2!
R-32 rollsign #3!
R-32 rollsign #4!
R-32 rollsign #5!

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Fri Jun 26 17:08:18 2009, in response to *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Mr. MTA on Fri Jun 26 14:41:59 2009.

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I remember a few R38s having some cranks on their roll signs left over too. Why did some R32/38 cars have them left on while the majority had them taken out? I always wondered that.

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by INDependent on Fri Jun 26 17:15:58 2009, in response to *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Mr. MTA on Fri Jun 26 14:41:59 2009.

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It would have really been exciting if you saw one with the green fluorescent light in tact!

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by vfrt on Fri Jun 26 18:06:45 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by South Ferry on Fri Jun 26 15:25:26 2009.

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Whatever became of Crappy McCrappers? Did he go to jail for his stunt or am I thinking of the guys who 'borrowed' the Q train a while back?

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Mr. MTA on Fri Jun 26 18:36:17 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by CurAke79 on Fri Jun 26 16:19:46 2009.

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That looks like what I saw today. It's probably car 3938. Unfortunately its pair, 3939, has modern keyed roll signs.

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Mr. MTA on Fri Jun 26 18:38:54 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by INDependent on Fri Jun 26 17:15:58 2009.

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That would have been really cool. For some reason though, even though the cranks were still in place, the to -> signs were still blacked out.

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jun 26 18:45:07 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jun 26 15:52:14 2009.

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eww.. lol

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Re: ***** UPDATE: R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Mr. MTA on Fri Jun 26 18:48:24 2009, in response to *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Mr. MTA on Fri Jun 26 14:41:59 2009.

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I saw the train again today 2 hours later heading northbound at 145 street. It left at 4:46pm. It's probably still on the road.




Also: I have a question. When the MTA prepares trains for scrap, do they they keep all of the roll signs and sell them or do they throw out some? Is there any way a non-MTA employee could get access to where ever their garbage goes so that they could be salvaged by people like us who care about them?

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Ultimate Foamer Thread (was: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****)

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jun 26 19:00:26 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by INDependent on Fri Jun 26 17:15:58 2009.

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Good trick since I'm sure the old sign boxes have the bulb removed because there is no power coming in.



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Re: ***** UPDATE: R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 26 19:36:57 2009, in response to Re: ***** UPDATE: R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Mr. MTA on Fri Jun 26 18:48:24 2009.

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Many of those signs are offered for sale on the MTA's website. Some turn up on ebay.

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Re: Ultimate Foamer Thread (was: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****)

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 26 19:37:38 2009, in response to Ultimate Foamer Thread (was: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****), posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jun 26 19:00:26 2009.

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Kind of like what they did to those R-7/9s that went over to the Three Stooges Division.

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Nilet on Fri Jun 26 20:49:21 2009, in response to *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Mr. MTA on Fri Jun 26 14:41:59 2009.

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Ah, nice to see that some of them are still around!

Sorry, the picture's not working. :(

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jun 26 21:05:13 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Nilet on Fri Jun 26 20:49:21 2009.

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Was that a D train or were you playing with the signs to get your shot?

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 21:28:24 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Mr. MTA on Fri Jun 26 18:36:17 2009.

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I wouldn't term that type of sign as a "crank" roll sign but rather a "knob" or "X handle" roll sign even though the handles are not true knobs like the R-16s and 17s. A "crank" roll sign would be like the R-9s through 15s which actually had a crank rather than a knob or X handle.

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Re: Ultimate Foamer Thread (was: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****)

Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 21:29:54 2009, in response to Re: Ultimate Foamer Thread (was: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 26 19:37:38 2009.

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Back as late as 1970, I saw an R-7/9 on the 14 St Line with an illuminated roll sign.

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Nilet on Fri Jun 26 21:48:04 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Fri Jun 26 21:05:13 2009.

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Nah, it was an (N) train. I re-signed it to get that shot. This was at Coney; the layover was long enough for me to step off, take the shot, and then reset the signs without going back up the Sea Beach.

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 27 07:50:54 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Nilet on Fri Jun 26 21:48:04 2009.

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I would have loved such a shot when those cars were new, with Coney Island backlit in green.:)

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Jun 27 11:26:10 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Nilet on Fri Jun 26 21:48:04 2009.

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I'm proud of ya!

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Nilet on Sat Jun 27 13:36:44 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sat Jun 27 11:26:10 2009.

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Proud of me for resigning a train to get a good shot, or proud of me for setting the signs back when I was done?

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Re: Ultimate Foamer Thread (was: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****)

Posted by INDependent on Sat Jun 27 14:27:45 2009, in response to Re: Ultimate Foamer Thread (was: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****), posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 21:29:54 2009.

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Here's a green rollsign pic: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?78179

I don't remember lights in the R1-9's (too young) -- were they green also? I once (in earlt 80's) saw an R10 with a green lit sign - on the CC.

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by JBar387 on Sat Jun 27 14:37:56 2009, in response to *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Mr. MTA on Fri Jun 26 14:41:59 2009.

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You mean something like this! This is car 3845, Very few cars have the crank handles!

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jun 27 18:01:48 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by JBar387 on Sat Jun 27 14:37:56 2009.

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I hope the R32's saved for the museum will have those knobs.

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Mr. MTA on Sat Jun 27 18:45:13 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jun 27 18:01:48 2009.

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The last time there was an R32 in the transit museum, the roll signs were keyed. http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?93230

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jun 27 19:01:19 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Mr. MTA on Sat Jun 27 18:45:13 2009.

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That's a shame. They really should put the knobs back.

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Re: Ultimate Foamer Thread (was: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****)

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 27 21:10:53 2009, in response to Re: Ultimate Foamer Thread (was: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****), posted by INDependent on Sat Jun 27 14:27:45 2009.

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No, the side signs on the R-1/9s were backlit in white. I remember seeing backlit signs in 1967 and 1968, but not afterwards. Kev says he still saw them when he operated the R-1/9s on the D in 1970-71.

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Re: Ultimate Foamer Thread (was: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****)

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jun 27 21:12:32 2009, in response to Re: Ultimate Foamer Thread (was: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****), posted by randyo on Fri Jun 26 21:29:54 2009.

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Maybe they missed one.:) Eddie S told me that not only were the light bulbs removed, but so were the fuses. The new curtains that were printed didn't even have cutouts to allow access to the light sockets.

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by R32_3671 on Sat Jun 27 21:28:36 2009, in response to *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Mr. MTA on Fri Jun 26 14:41:59 2009.

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FOAM!!!!! I have one with a (Z) Jamaica Nassau st

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Re: ***** UPDATE: R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Mr. MTA on Sat Jun 27 21:39:00 2009, in response to Re: ***** UPDATE: R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jun 26 19:36:57 2009.

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Does anyone know places to get R32 roll signs for free?

Like an MTA dumpster or something?
They don't sell all of them, do they?

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Re: ***** UPDATE: R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Mr. MTA on Sat Jun 27 21:39:47 2009, in response to Re: ***** UPDATE: R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Mr. MTA on Sat Jun 27 21:39:00 2009.

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And I know what a horrible question that was. Sorry in advance.

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Re: ***** UPDATE: R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Jun 28 09:33:53 2009, in response to Re: ***** UPDATE: R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Mr. MTA on Sat Jun 27 21:39:00 2009.

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What do you want to do, pull another Crappy Mc Crappers and steal one out of a train in service?

This ain't like the old days. If you search the MTA web site, there is a link someplace and it's called "Asset Recovery". They sell them and other stuff. This is 2009, this ain't back in the day, nothing is for free anymore. If they can make a buck off it, they sell it, if they can't they throw it away ("burn it" so nobody gets it), but they are giving NOTHING away for free anymore!

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by 7 Local on Sun Jun 28 17:45:16 2009, in response to *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Mr. MTA on Fri Jun 26 14:41:59 2009.

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Spotted it today...someone messed with the signs again so it said GW Bridge, something upside down, and the H shuttle.

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Mr. MTA on Sun Jun 28 18:28:59 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by 7 Local on Sun Jun 28 17:45:16 2009.

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Is it still on the C line?

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Mr. MTA on Sun Jun 28 18:30:37 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Jun 27 19:01:19 2009.

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All you have to do is buy an Allen key. (A hex key)

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by 7 Local on Sun Jun 28 21:30:44 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by Mr. MTA on Sun Jun 28 18:28:59 2009.

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Yes, still on the C.

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Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****

Posted by Mr. MTA on Mon Jun 29 00:06:19 2009, in response to Re: *****R32 Rollsign Alert!*****, posted by 7 Local on Sun Jun 28 21:30:44 2009.

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Cool. I'll keep looking for it.
And this time...................

I'll have my camera!

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