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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Sep 13 08:27:17 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 00:19:07 2008. In this situation the most likely cause is that the Metrolink engineer was expecting a clear signal at the entrance to the single track line, however an opposing freight train had been given the line instead. Basically the dispatcher fucked up and caused the Metrolink to be hit by a Stop signal, however this was such an out of the ordinary occurrence the Metrolink Engineer just saw what he was accustomed to seeing and blew through the interlocking as if it was clear.If this was the case there is going to be hell to pay for a major screw up like this.. An Engineers worst nightmare, you "think" you got the ROW next thing you know you are staring at another train coming right at you. I can see possible criminal charges being filed... |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 08:39:02 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Railman718 on Sat Sep 13 08:27:17 2008. Against whom? The Metrolink engineer is dead. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 08:43:44 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Railman718 on Sat Sep 13 08:27:17 2008. I doubt it, as the engineer on Metrolink is dead, and its about 95% sure he is one who went by red signal.Its pretty common in those area's to keep a 10 000 ton freight moving and have a passenger train wait for a few minutes. Seems to me as Delay In Block rule violation, metrolink simply forgot they had an approach before making last station stop. The dispatcher has no blame, he did not fuck up , since he can not even give a signal to the Metrolink train once the Freight enters the single track section, which is longer than you think. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Sep 13 09:13:30 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 08:39:02 2008. Against whom? The Metrolink engineer is deadDidnt you just say in your post the Disptacher f**ked up? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Sep 13 09:14:36 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 08:43:44 2008. Thanks for the explanation Dutch...Still the Lawsuits alone, wow... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 13 09:30:43 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 13 06:54:32 2008. FA? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 13 09:35:20 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 00:19:07 2008. Was the siding in that area long enough to hold any length of commuter train or freight train? That is, if two trains approach each other, wuld the etrolinik have needed to use the siding because the freight was too long?"Basically the dispatcher fucked up and caused the Metrolink to be hit by a Stop signal, however this was such an out of the ordinary occurrence the Metrolink Engineer just saw what he was accustomed to seeing and blew through the interlocking as if it was clear." If true, a screw up by both parties. The safe thing to do woulfd have been to respect the Stop signal and call the Control Center: "Did you put another train on my track?" |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 09:47:24 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 13 09:35:20 2008. It has nothing to do with dispatcher, his signal system can only allow one train at time into single track area (interlockings) .The almost certainty is that Metrolink engineer failed to stop at a red and forgot he had a aproach at signal before his last stop. in general its a repeat of what happened in Maryland years ago and what created the Delay In Block rule. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Sep 13 09:49:58 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 09:47:24 2008. Like this? |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 09:53:09 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 09:47:24 2008. I wasn't blaming the dispatcher for any safety violation, but he still hit the Metrolink by running a freight. Most accidents are caused by a a serious of normally unexpected events that combine in deadly ways. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 09:56:02 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Railman718 on Sat Sep 13 09:13:30 2008. No no, he fucked up by delaying the Metrolink, not by doing anything unsafe. That gets one a stern talking to by the chief dispatcher. I know an Amtrak dispatcher who destroyed the morning MARC Perryville runs by running a freight, nothing unsafe, just a bonehead move that ruined the morning for several hundred people. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 13 09:56:34 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Sep 13 09:30:43 2008. THe LIRR used Alco FAs as cab-control cars during the push-pull years. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 09:58:37 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 08:43:44 2008. It wouldn't necessarily be a DIB violation. The speed round the curve is 40mph, same as the DIB speed. Engineer probably brought it up to 40 and saw the signal he wanted to. There could also be a legitimate phantom aspect or misread signal there as opposed to plain old inattention. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 13 10:07:36 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:06:09 2008. IIRC 25 mph, maybe 30.ROAR |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Sat Sep 13 10:10:29 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 09:56:02 2008. Metrolink owns the tracks east of MoorparkThat gets one a stern talking to by the chief dispatcher |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 13 10:11:30 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 00:46:41 2008. Then the problem wasn't with the interlocking.How can an engineer run a red light AND slip a switch and not know that he is in trouble? Doesn't he read his iron? Sure he wanted to get home, but look where that got him! ROAR |
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Posted by lbt 9415 on Sat Sep 13 10:13:37 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:08:02 2008. an hour after this incident, another Metrolink train got into an accident, this time in Corona. It struck a car that apparently tried to beat the train. The car driver perished. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 10:19:07 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 09:53:09 2008. While that's true, on the theory that's being offered of what went down, it seems like the Metrolink train's engineer disregarded an approach signal, correct? If he had followed the approach signal, he would have been prepared to stop his train at the next signal. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 13 10:20:24 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 13 06:54:32 2008. However...that was a light van. What if this was a collision with another train? Think two of NJT's 12-car MLV trains being involved in a collision, God forbid. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 13 10:23:58 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 13 10:20:24 2008. I don't even want to imagine it. But NJT has had push-pull operation for several decades now, in territory rife with grade crossings. There have been a couple of train vs. train collisions involving Comet cars on NJT, but nothing so bad as yesterday's Metrolink accident... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 13 10:24:52 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 13 10:23:58 2008. And generally, freights and passenger trains don't mix in Greater New York. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 13 10:27:14 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 13 10:24:52 2008. Except on the LIRR... |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 13 10:29:12 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 09:53:09 2008. There are too many freight trains running in and out of LA to hold them ALL up for the commuter parade. They must be interwoven into the traffic. It is only a delay of a few minutes to the commuter. As DRN said: It takes a whole lot of effort to stop and start a freight train. Out west pax are frequently put into the pocket to let an inferior freight through.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 13 10:31:39 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:35:27 2008. Yes. *I* know all of this. But K-Car does not. So I was 'splaining it to him.ROAR |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 10:33:59 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 13 10:24:52 2008. Has nothing to do with freight or passenger, in north east it has everyting to do with having Cabsignal/ATC/ACSES on most tracks.Something most western roads cheap out on, they rather pay divident to stockholders than to improve on physical plant and safety. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 10:34:53 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 10:19:07 2008. There was a clear sight line to the interlocking. The engineer may have perceived the signal at the interlocking to be other than Stop. I am not sure if we will ever know the why behind the action that directly caused the accident. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 10:35:12 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 13 10:24:52 2008. And generally, freights and passenger trains don't mix in Greater New York.I think that's true moreso due to our penchant for high platforms in this area, so it's a structural constraint. Plus, given that freight moves fairly slowly in our area, especially as to acceleration, it's not fun to deal with a pokey move by a freight ahead of a passenger train, so that's another structural barrier. LIRR deals with NY&A (which has contracted out LIRR's freight operations), and obviously NJT's RVL gets mixed in with the freights. Even on AMTK's NEC, there are freight moves, and CSX owns the tracks north of Poughkeepsie. And some work trains can hit just as hard as commercial freight trains and they're out and about all over the area. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 10:36:04 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 13 10:29:12 2008. Metrolink dispatches that line, they should have held the freight at the entrance to the tunnel section. Altruism to other railroads is not a desirable quality in a dispatcher. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 13 10:39:19 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Sep 13 06:54:32 2008. The issue is NOT with the trains.The issue is all about STOOPIT Los Angelans who *THINK* that there is a problem with the trains. It is all about edjukation not equiptment. ROAR |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 10:43:01 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 10:35:12 2008. High level platforms do NOT restrict freight trains, they only restricte over dimmension cars. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 13 10:47:06 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 10:43:01 2008. Yes. This is true, but since you have explained it, I'll not have to.Probly more over-dimension stuff out there. ROAR |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Sat Sep 13 10:47:20 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 10:36:04 2008. Jersey Mike..you seem to believe that the single track section was just for the tunnel. It extends much farther to the west, beyond the short tunnel. There is an intermediate signal inbetween the next west siding. Thus the freight was on the main and almost through two blocks. The freight had been on the main for some time.David |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 10:47:57 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 10:36:04 2008. Mike there is no more class of trains, if dispatcher deemed it neccesary ro tun a freight first , he can do so without any problem or yelling by a chief Dispatcher.To stop that freight may have delayed more trains than holding the passenger train for a few minutes, after all the single track section over where accident happened is only like 4 miles long. By letting freight go at track speed, it only takes like 6 minutes to clear, if it stops it may take like 13 minutes to travel same section as it takes forever to get that freight back up to track speed. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 10:54:20 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 10:34:53 2008. Well, assuming that the Metrolink engineer died (I'm not sure), depending on black box data - do they have cab voice recorders on Metrolink? - we may be able to at least piece together the movement of the train relative to the signal indications displayed.But if there was a clear line of sight, wouldn't the engineer also have perceived the freight train occupying the interlocking? Anyhow, assuming that the engineer received an approach signal, it would seem that he disregarded it. Perhaps that was his habit going through the interlocking, expecting the next signal to be favorable, and not reducing speed (significantly), but that theory of the collision would still seem to posit that the approach signal rule wasn't followed. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 10:58:17 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 10:54:20 2008. These days most if not all CP points have a black box as well.The Locomotive has a Black box and any radio bases in area have a recording chip. So no matter what , even without the engineer they are able to picture what happened, |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 13 10:58:27 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 10:54:20 2008. The approach signal was proximal to the station platform. He had to slow down for the station anyway. He stopped at the station, and then got the indication and moved his train, forgetting what aspect he was operating in when he entered the station.Still, you gotta look at the rails. There ought to be a home signal at the switch stand. If he had an approach signal, it followes that there would be a RED signal next. Even if he forgot about it leaving the station it would still have been in his face sooner or later. ROAR |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 10:59:42 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 10:43:01 2008. High level platforms do NOT restrict freight trains, they only restricte over dimmension cars.Thanks for the clarification. But aren't the dimensions allowed on our passenger rails less than what most freight roads would prefer? Like double stackers on LIRR wouldn't work through most places, etc.? There might also be another consideration - how much would passenger operations charge freight roads for trackage rights? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 11:02:09 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 10:36:04 2008. It's not necessarily altruism, though - maybe getting that freight through the single-tracking represented the strategy to be followed for the shortest net loss of time. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 11:07:53 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 10:59:42 2008. Even double stacks have no problems with platforms , 99% of all freight cars are only 10 foot wide.The stack cars will however interfere with third rail, specialy at switches, and doeble stacked containers would not clear catenary and about 90% of all bridges and tunnels around NYC. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 13 11:08:49 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 10:59:42 2008. Most railroads in the east are built to more modest dimensions than those out west. The Eire was the first eastern railroad built to more commodious dimensions. LIRR, PRR, NYC, NYNH&H were all built in the day of the 36' x 9'w boxcar. Yes they have no problem accommodating 85' x 10'w equipment, after all that *is* the size of the passenger equipments. No way an eastern road, other than the Eire could handle double stacks, although of course, many have been modified to do so, the *precious-to-some* catenary does not allow it in many places.Yes the positioning of the platforms is an issue, but it is an issue only to oversized plates. Railroads have learned to accommodate to this. If I owned a business on the LIRR and I wanted to receive a shipment of freight from somewhere, I would have to specify to the shipper what kind of equipment restrictions are in effect out here. LION operates pax trains, ans no foggy clue about plates, but it is simple to tell a shipper that you are restricted to a "Plate C" shipment. Having done *that* oversize cars simply do not show up on the LIRR. ROAR |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Sat Sep 13 11:12:04 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Sat Sep 13 00:45:14 2008. November 1, 1918 - Malbone Street Train Wreck, Brooklyn NY. News accounts vary as to the exact number but I think 95 dead at the scene and aboutabout 10 to 15 later at area hospitals as a result of their injuries. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 13 11:18:04 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Hart Bus on Sat Sep 13 11:12:04 2008. The death toll was eventually 102. What is the deadliest one on the national rail network, however? Would it be the Amtrak Bayou accident (47 dead)? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 11:22:08 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Sep 13 10:58:27 2008. Plus, isn't the rule that if you forget the prior signal, you stop and seek confirmation? That was thought to be the cause of the Winter 1996 collision at Silver Spring, MD- Georgetown Jct, where the MARC (CSXT) engineer apparently forgot the previous signal aspect, and then unfortunately came face-to-face with AMTK's Capitol Limited. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 11:28:01 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 11:22:08 2008. you don't stop but proceed as if you got approach.Its called Delay in Block rule, and sign's at stations are posted as DIB on a sign. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 11:32:47 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 11:28:01 2008. That was the rule promulgated after the Silver Spring collision, no, or was it already around? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Sep 13 12:09:39 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 09:56:02 2008. Ah ok i see thanks for clarifying that. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 12:13:25 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Sep 13 10:47:57 2008. As the Metro North RTC says to the Amtrak Train, "Oh Well".Seriously, if Metrolink went to the trouble to dispatch this line they shouldn't be banging passenger trains with freight moves. I have heard two many horror stories from CTEC 2 as to why you shouldn't give freights the benefit of the doubt. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 12:16:51 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 10:54:20 2008. The freight train was around a 90 degree curve and in a tunnel. The interlocking is directly before the curve. The last station stop is directly after the distant signal to the interlocking. There are multiple possible causes for the accident that depend on the engineer's state of mind, which may be impossible to discern from the forensic evidence. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Sep 13 12:18:58 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 11:32:47 2008. That part of the rule was implemented after Silver Spring. The DIB rule is somewhat useless here as the MAS is 40mph through the interlocking and the DIB rule requires a reduction in speed to 40mph until the interlocking signal can be determined to be something other than STOP. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 13 12:22:14 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Sep 13 10:35:12 2008. However, most CSX freight through the Hudson Valley goes via the Bergen and River Subdivisions. |
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