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**Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:01:24 2008 Video on TV. No links yet. 23 injured at least 10 critical.Happened in Chatsworth. |
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Commuter train collides with freight train in LA |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 12 20:05:23 2008, in response to **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:01:24 2008. Commuter train collides with freight train in LALOS ANGELES - A Metrolink commuter train and a freight train have collided in the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles. One car of the Metrolink train has derailed along with what appears to be the engine of the freight. Footage of the Friday afternoon collision was broadcast from a KABC-TV helicopter over the scene. Copyright 2008 Associated Press |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 12 20:05:55 2008, in response to **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:01:24 2008. Commuter train collides with freight train in LALOS ANGELES - A Metrolink commuter train and a freight train have collided in the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles. One car of the Metrolink train has derailed along with what appears to be the engine of the freight. Footage of the Friday afternoon collision was broadcast from a KABC-TV helicopter over the scene. Copyright 2008 Associated Press |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:08:02 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 12 20:05:55 2008. Now two confirmed dead. The train left Union Station at early rush hour and may have had up to 350 people on board according to KNBC. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:14:18 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:08:02 2008. SHAME!That BASTARD company CSX should NEVER be allowed to operate on the same tracks as passenger trains. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:15:37 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:08:02 2008. They accidentally showed a body being extricated on the news. It looks like more than two dead. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:24:39 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:14:18 2008. I think that freight RR owns the tracks, not Metrolink. But it's not CSX. More likely UP. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Sep 12 20:25:07 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:14:18 2008. CSX???? |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Sep 12 20:26:16 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Sep 12 20:25:07 2008. CSX??How stupid can you be??? |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:29:22 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:24:39 2008. Oh, I think you are right, but this isn't the first collision between UP and metrolink.I will give NJT credit for that though, they have an excellent safety record, and some of their lines run freight too, correct? I even remember seeing a freight train on the NEC...WITH FLATS. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 20:29:47 2008, in response to **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:01:24 2008. LATimes story here.Quite a horrific looking crash:  photo: Brian Vander Brug / Los Angeles Times |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:30:24 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:29:22 2008. And another bad thing is that those multilevells really fold up in collisions.Dis you see if the train was folded a bit? How fast was it going? |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 20:31:14 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:08:02 2008. Another reason to take LADOT Commuter Express instead...What is it about Metrolink that causes all these crashes? There are plenty of similar commuter railroad systems in this country that have nowhere near as many casualties. It's really a shame. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:33:39 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:15:37 2008. The Metrolink engine collided with the UP engine. The Metrolink engine and one car appeared to have derailed. Several of the UP cars derailed. They're not sure which train was in motion or if both were. The car that they are still pulling people out of was on fire a half hour ago.BTW the LAPD is on citywide tactical alert. That means that the police on duty can't leave even when their relief shows up. That's the type of stuff that they do when there's a riot or potential terrorist attack. Although no one is suggesting terrorism since it looks like a terrible accident. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:34:27 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 20:31:14 2008. Supposedly, you are more likely to die on a highway though... |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:35:11 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:30:24 2008. They don't know which train was moving or if they both were. It looks like it was on a single track so one of the trains was where it shouldn't have been. That would lead me to believe that both were moving, since they both thought that they had the ROW. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 20:35:38 2008, in response to **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:01:24 2008. Currently listening to KNX 1070. They're talking about the constatnt Metrolink push-pull controversy, and they say that they don't know whether the train involved was in push mode or pull mode.I'll bet it was in pull mode. Most trains going northwest out of Union Station have the locomotive at the front, although it might be different on different trains. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Sep 12 20:36:09 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:29:22 2008. After making that stupid mistake..all you can say is ..."Oh I think you are right."SHAME SHAME |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:36:16 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 20:35:38 2008. Yes, the news has already confirmed that it was pulling. The two engines collided. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 12 20:38:15 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:14:18 2008. ?? Now what made you think it was CSX? They don't operate in LA. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 12 20:41:12 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 20:31:14 2008. Another reason to take LADOT Commuter Express insteadThey can crash into tractor-trailers. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Sep 12 20:42:55 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 20:31:14 2008. What is it about Metrolink that causes all these crashes?Your Railroad + ATS = Win?? |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:43:26 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Sep 12 20:36:09 2008. Well, I am not sure it was UP, but I think it might be. Hence my saying "I think". |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:45:08 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 12 20:38:15 2008. But I hope I won't make that mistake again. I had doubts..should have just checked what railroads operate around there somehow. I am an idiot now. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:46:40 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:43:26 2008. It is definitely UP. It was also UP in this crash. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:48:41 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 12 20:38:15 2008. I don't know much about how RR's operate, but I've seen cars and locomotives from all the major RR's at some point operating in the LA area. I assume that it's like the commuter RR's and the freights rent equipment to each other somehow. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:50:39 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:15:37 2008. Unofficially at least 7 dead based on an eyewitness report. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 20:57:27 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 20:31:14 2008. UP's Los Angeles Division is pretty busy - I recall that it sees something like 50 freight trains per day or thereabouts. BNSF San Bernandino Division sees similar traffic too. Neither line has speed control let alone less sophisticated means of enforcing stop signals. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 12 21:00:41 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:43:26 2008. Too late. You've already earned 'em. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 21:03:12 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 20:31:14 2008. It is strange. Maybe we just have more cars and potential for collision than most places? I'm pretty sure that we have more cars than anywhere outside of NYC and we're probably close with them. And obviously Metrolink has far too many grade crossings. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 12 21:04:06 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 12 20:41:12 2008. Metrolink has had more crashes than LADOT, however. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 21:06:47 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Sep 12 20:42:55 2008. That's my guess too. They've got commuter trains and freight trains going just as fast as most commuter rail does in NYC area - 70-79 mph max - but there's not much to enforce stop signals.Plus, freight roads generally are more lax in their inspections of track than passenger roads. Based on the looks of this crash, they need to install a system to enforce signals given. It's something that's been known at least since the BNSF-Metrorail crash. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 21:10:27 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 21:06:47 2008. That's my guess too. They've got commuter trains and freight trains going just as fast as most commuter rail does in NYC area - 70-79 mph max - but there's not much to enforce stop signals.Plus, freight roads generally are more lax in their inspections of track than passenger roads. Based on the looks of this crash, they need to install a system to enforce signals given. It's something that's been known at least since the BNSF-Metrorail crash. I forgot the gratuitous number of grade crossings with auto traffic, so there's that too. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 12 21:12:50 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:45:08 2008. "I am an idiot now"Trust me, you were an idiot long before "now"! |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 21:19:57 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 21:06:47 2008. This crash was on a single track right before a tunnel and on a blind curve. They already knew that this would be a good spot for an accident if there were an error. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Chicagopcclcars on Fri Sep 12 21:21:22 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 20:45:08 2008. You were an IDIOT when you thought a shoving platform was a weight car. Our first encounter. And you've proved it over and over and over and over and over....... |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 21:24:15 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 21:19:57 2008. This crash was on a single track right before a tunnel and on a blind curve. They already knew that this would be a good spot for an accident if there were an error.Hopefully perhaps one or more crewmen were able to jump before the crash after putting the train into emergency braking. While engineers are expected to have their trains under control at all times, obviously errors are made. I expect that will be noted in the reports on this collision. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 21:27:36 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 21:24:15 2008. I was wondering about that. The UP loco looks buried and a bunch of cars behind it derailed. The Metrolink loco rammed back through the first passenger car. Jumping was probably the best bet, but it doesn't look like there were any good options for either crew. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Sep 12 21:30:27 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:48:41 2008. UP owns the tracks; Metrolink operates trains on them. Crewing, I think, is by UP crews. Sallam probably knows better, he's in LA. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Sep 12 21:33:21 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 20:50:39 2008. The way that car looks split open like a tin can, I won't be surpeised if the number gets up to double digits. From the aerial coverage, I couldn't see a Metrolink engine; the UP engines on the freight train were there, and it looked like a UP engine that overturned. Don't know if the train was in push or pull. As bad as this is going to sound, I hope it was in pull, since it will show those folks screaming about how unsafe push is that pull can be bad too. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 21:33:29 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Sep 12 21:30:27 2008. Metrolink crews are Veolia Transportation. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Sep 12 21:33:59 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Train Dude on Fri Sep 12 21:12:50 2008. lol |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Sep 12 21:35:27 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 20:29:47 2008. Is that the Metrolink engine telescoped into the passenger car? |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 21:35:48 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Sep 12 21:33:21 2008. You can see the Metrolink loco in the picture that trainsarefun posted. It's embedded in the passenger car behind it!
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Sep 12 21:36:10 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri Sep 12 21:35:27 2008. Yes! |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Sep 12 21:38:03 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 20:29:47 2008. Any speculated cause yet? NTSB will be looking into this. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Sep 12 21:38:32 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 20:29:47 2008. Another story link |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by mkeit on Fri Sep 12 21:41:50 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Sep 12 21:38:32 2008. The LA Times reports 6 dead. latimes.com |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Sep 12 21:42:04 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Sep 12 20:29:47 2008. DANG!That is NOT supposed to hapen LIKE THAT. THE DAMN LOCOMOTIVE WASN"T SUPPOSED TO TELESCOPE INTO ITS OWN RAILCAR. The UP loco bearly has a dent. The Metrolink loco has its nose crushed in, and THEN IT TORE INTO THE DAMN MULTILEVEL. That is BAD. |
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Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train |
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Posted by mkeit on Fri Sep 12 21:42:22 2008, in response to Re: **Breaking News** - Metrolink Train collides with freight train, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Sep 12 21:38:03 2008. Head on crash=human error? |
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