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Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 16:48:37 2008 Kinki-Sharyo Model #P2020, built 1994-1995, series 154-168, originally assigned to Green Line, transferred in year 2000 to Blue Line. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Sep 3 16:56:26 2008, in response to Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 16:48:37 2008. Is there a track connection between the two lines? |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 16:59:33 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Wed Sep 3 16:56:26 2008. Yes, at Imperial / Wilmington Station, a single connecting track going north on the Blue Line to east on the Green Line. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Sep 3 17:16:18 2008, in response to Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 16:48:37 2008. To pick a nit, I'm fairly certain you mean something to the effect of "Nippon Sharyo P850". LA has no Kinki-Sharyos, and the Siemens are designated P2000s. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Sep 3 17:21:51 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by WillD on Wed Sep 3 17:16:18 2008. Actually, it's a Nippon Sharyo P2020. 14 P2020s, identical to the earlier P850s, were delivered in 1994 for the opening of the Metro Green Line. In 2000, the P2020s were transferred to the Metro Blue Line and replaced with new Siemens P2000s.The P2020s continue to operate on the Metro Blue Line today. The only difference between them and the P850s is a "NIPPON SHARYO-1994" P2020 builder's plaque instead of a "NIPPON SHARYO-1989 or 1990" one. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Sep 3 17:38:17 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Sep 3 17:21:51 2008. Wow, thanks, I sit corrected. |
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Re: PHOTOS Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:24:06 2008, in response to Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 16:48:37 2008.          
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:26:45 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Sep 3 17:21:51 2008. no its a Nippon Sharyo PA865no 2020 !!! ----------------------------------- all former green line light rail vehicles were P865 Light rail vehicle Sumitomo-Nippon Sharyo Japan 6 axle double ended pantograph powered 750V DC |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:26:51 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Sep 3 17:21:51 2008. no its a Nippon Sharyo PA865no 2020 !!! ----------------------------------- all former green line light rail vehicles were PA865 Light rail vehicle Sumitomo-Nippon Sharyo Japan 6 axle double ended pantograph powered 750V DC |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 19:32:08 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:26:45 2008. The official LACMTA roster states they were P2020. Are you going to call them wrong? Check it out. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:35:45 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 19:32:08 2008. i was told this at the blue line rail yardsand by the 3 top superchiefs there home of all of the PA865 nippon shayros!! ..........no 2020 !! PA865 nippon shayro series 1989-1994 and the head of operations showed me the specks i do not know where the 2020 crap came from |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 3 19:38:53 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Sep 3 17:21:51 2008. P865, not P850. I think, but am not certain (maybe you can check sometime since you seem to have an eye for detail) that the P2020 seats have fewer of those access boxes/panels under the seats that are always a PITA. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:42:44 2008, in response to Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 16:48:37 2008. CORRECT original los angeles light rail vehicle description(s)@ official Rail Vehicle Specs Technology: PA865 model Light rail vehicle, articulated, 6-axle,double-ended, pantograph powered (750V DC) Manufacturer: Sumitomo-Nippon Sharyo, Japan Fleet: 54 vehicles, 100-153 series Built: 1989-1994 Cost: $1,170,000 each Length: 87' Width: 8'-8 3/4" Height: 11'6" (top of rail to roof); 23'5" (plus max pantograph); 6'8" (Interior ceiling height) Weight: 94,000 lbs. Capacity: 150 seated; 230 max seated + standing + 2 wheelchairs Speed: 55 mph max allowable; 35 mph street running Acceleration: 0 to 55 mph in 45 seconds Operation: Cars run in train lengths of two. ^^^ ON THE BLUE LINE Will be increased to 3-car operation by 2001. The cars carry such conveniences as air conditioning, a security intercom system, seating for handicapped, floors level with station platforms for ease of boarding, and emergency braking. The vehicle maintenance facility is located in Carson, between the Del Amo and Wardlow stations. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:42:44 2008, in response to Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 16:48:37 2008. CORRECT original los angeles light rail vehicle description(s)@ official Rail Vehicle Specs Technology: PA865 model Light rail vehicle, articulated, 6-axle,double-ended, pantograph powered (750V DC) Manufacturer: Sumitomo-Nippon Sharyo, Japan Fleet: 54 vehicles, 100-153 series Built: 1989-1994 Cost: $1,170,000 each Length: 87' Width: 8'-8 3/4" Height: 11'6" (top of rail to roof); 23'5" (plus max pantograph); 6'8" (Interior ceiling height) Weight: 94,000 lbs. Capacity: 150 seated; 230 max seated + standing + 2 wheelchairs Speed: 55 mph max allowable; 35 mph street running Acceleration: 0 to 55 mph in 45 seconds Operation: Cars run in train lengths of two. ^^^ ON THE BLUE LINE Will be increased to 3-car operation by 2001. The cars carry such conveniences as air conditioning, a security intercom system, seating for handicapped, floors level with station platforms for ease of boarding, and emergency braking. The vehicle maintenance facility is located in Carson, between the Del Amo and Wardlow stations. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 3 19:44:07 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:35:45 2008. It comes from the Metro. That's what they are - P2020. There's also no "A" after the P. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:45:05 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 3 19:44:07 2008. not from the blue line yards easyand not from the head of operations where i get my badge from !! |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:46:38 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 3 19:38:53 2008. there are a and bbut there are no 2020s |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 3 19:47:22 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:42:44 2008. I don't know if that's LACMTA's specs. I think that you copied that from Elson's page except that you added an "A" after the P at some point. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 3 19:48:14 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:45:05 2008. When was that conversation? Was it before the cars were moved from the green line to the blue line? |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:50:27 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 3 19:47:22 2008. even on his page there is no 2020i dont know who named them 2020 and is the breda car still in the blue parking lot but not testing i did see a set of bredas crossing california blvd today in pasadena i think i will go on a breda trip tomorrow and get some station pics with my pocket camera / hopefully tomorrow easy |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 3 19:53:50 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:50:27 2008. Metro named them P2020's. Google their website for proof.You don't see them on his website because he stopped updating that site years ago. Look here at his green line site and he has P2020 on there. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:54:18 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 3 19:48:14 2008. the blue line supplied single units on the green line until aprox2000 when the 1st P2000s from siemens came on line remember ??    
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:55:10 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 3 19:53:50 2008. i go by the blue line yards and shops where they are worked onthey know better |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 3 20:06:33 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:55:10 2008. No problem. You can do as you wish, but I wouldn't advise being so adamant in correcting others when it's easy to go to the metro website, search, and find several examples of LACMTA calling them P2020's. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 20:25:08 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 3 20:06:33 2008. i never go by the official websitei ask the people who work on them etc .... the shop knows better than some office worker at the lacmta taj mahal |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 21:35:20 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:42:44 2008. This is correct, but applies, as you stated, only to cars 100-153. The cars I'm referring to are almost identical; their fleet numbers are 154-168. Not that it's really a big deal (except to you), but why are you so stubborn? How about you contact Nippon-Sharyo? |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 21:44:45 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 21:35:20 2008. Right from the Metro Green Line page....Read.... Fleet: P2020 Sumitomo cars: 15 (154-168 series) P2000 Siemens cars: 36 from a standardized fleet of 52 (from 201-250 series, built 1995-1999) Dimensions: The 15 Sumitomo cars are dimensionally identical to the 54-car Blue Line fleet. The cars were delivered in 1994-1995. Due to the small order and short order-to-delivery time, the cars cost about $3 million each. The 52 Siemens cars will be compatible and interchangeable with the Sumitomo cars. The bodies of the cars will feature a streamlined, aerodynamic design with AC propulsion. The Green Line will share the 52 cars with the Blue Line Pasadena route, as well as the Long Beach Blue Line, and other future light rail lines. The cars cost about $2 million each and began delivery in early 1998. Speed: 55 mph max allowable; to be increased to 65 mph in 2000. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 22:13:25 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 21:44:45 2008. wrong againi have seen the shop manuals and i know some of the folks who work on the PA865 !!!! they are all at the blue line yards and thier info is correct not your mis informatio n sorry lacmta taj mahal you are wrong |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 22:16:16 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 21:35:20 2008. they are all PA865s now no more [ MD 20202 ]lol the blue line yards and shops call them this not some one who does not do the GOH and overhaul work on the actual fleet i have learned my lesson with the lacmta downtown and the actual work is 2 different things |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 22:22:10 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 22:13:25 2008. The shop manuals may be the same since the cars are almost identical. And these cars were built about a decade and a half ago. How many people are still working at LACMTA that were there when the 154-168 cars arrived? Did you contact Nippon-Sharyo like I suggested? If you're too lazy to do this, then I might. I'll bet not too many. Also, I find it very hard to believe someone who can't write complete sentences, doesn't know how to capitalize, spell or punctuate. You're a good photographer but lacking, in my opinion, in the way you research your answers, and, if wrong, unwilling to accept correction or an admission of fault. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 22:23:28 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 21:35:20 2008. i dont go by what downtown says - hardly ever almost never ....i listen to the actual operators / workers first Joe Saitta !! i beleive them 1st not some remote website i listen to them not some misinformed webmaster who gets his mis info from hisw own mind like this guy who wanders down here from SF and got the gold line totally wrong on david Ps workd page took a long time to get the mis information on that finally corrected no i am not a rail transit expert but my ears listen to the people who do the actual work for the green line / blue line the operators to the shop workers and head of operations and not some jackass downtown lacmta website full of errors lol |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 22:25:54 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 22:22:10 2008. i was told by the one two and three top yards and shop managers whogive me my safety training and train operators and who know thier shit [ the top 3 heads of operations persons ] !!!!!!!!!! good enough for me and not some remote website |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 22:52:23 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 22:25:54 2008. Read carefully from Nationmaster Encyclopedia (of course you know more than this respected publication):Metro Blue Line (LACMTA) Type Light rail System Los Angeles County Metro Rail Locale Los Angeles, California Terminals 7th St/Metro Center Long Beach Transit Mall No. of ... s) Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority (LACMTA) Rolling stock Nippon-Sharyo P650 and ... http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Metro-Blue-Line-(LACMTA) -- 23145 bytes LACMTA Blue Line Type Light rail System Los Angeles County Metro Rail Locale Los Angeles, California Terminals 7th St/Metro Center Long Beach Transit Mall No. of ... s) Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority (LACMTA) Rolling stock Nippon-Sharyo P650 and P2020 ... gauge) Electrification Overhead lines Line map The Metro Blue Line of the Los Angeles ... http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/LACMTA-Blue-Line -- 22758 bytes Metro Green Line (LACMTA) Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority (LACMTA) Rolling stock Nippon-Sharyo P2020 Siemens P2000 ... gauge) Electrification Overhead lines Line map The Metro Green Line is a light rail line ... the freeway's median. In the original Metro Rail master plan of the early 1980s ... Sharyo similar to those used on the Metro Blue Line. In 2000, the Nippon ... http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Metro-Green-Line-(LACMTA) -- 13351 bytes |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 3 22:56:37 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 22:52:23 2008. Actually that is wrong. It says P650 and it should be P865. It's like they mixed up the A650 heavy rail cars and the P865. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 23:34:26 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 22:52:23 2008. i did not say i know more than some webmaster etc .......i gave you my direct sources not some 2020 jive from some web site i trust the actual worker bees at the yards / shops over your source |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Sep 4 03:21:22 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 22:52:23 2008. Salaam is a offical LACTA safety trained photographer!It says so on is YouTube page! I wouldn't argue with him! |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Sep 4 03:22:52 2008, in response to Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Joe Saitta on Wed Sep 3 16:48:37 2008. Great shot! |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 4 07:47:14 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Sep 4 03:21:22 2008. kiss my ass |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Sep 4 08:27:18 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Thu Sep 4 03:22:52 2008. Thank you; I sincerely appreciate your comment. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 5 04:14:44 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 4 07:47:14 2008. You mean you AREN'T a LAMTA trained photographer?You told me your issued a offical ID from them to take pictures! |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 5 07:07:46 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 5 04:14:44 2008. STFUBITCH |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 5 08:11:41 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 5 07:07:46 2008. So you lied about that too huh? |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 5 08:19:23 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 5 08:11:41 2008. FUCK YOU |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 5 08:35:20 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:45:05 2008. So you ARE an official photographer!? |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 5 08:44:13 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 22:25:54 2008. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 5 08:44:58 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 22:16:16 2008. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 5 08:46:20 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 22:23:28 2008. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 5 08:47:30 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 19:55:10 2008. |
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Re: Los Angeles Green Line |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 5 08:50:07 2008, in response to Re: Los Angeles Green Line, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 3 20:25:08 2008. I went to YOUR official website.Your charging $5000 for something, are you CRAZY!? And $20 for a CD with 300 useful fun programs, "spend some time with this one!" HA HA |
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