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Posted by jrf2 on Sat Aug 2 08:24:53 2008 Link here |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Aug 2 08:29:12 2008, in response to SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by jrf2 on Sat Aug 2 08:24:53 2008. I'm laughing all the way to the bank....Those of you that remember "You Can't Sit Down/CTA" before it got ambushed and reefed.David Harrison |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Aug 2 08:37:25 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Aug 2 08:29:12 2008. I know - they said it could never happen here and other bull!!! ROTFLMAO! Even worse if you run to catch a train and end up in one of those cars under the new stupid rules you can't move to another car to try to find a seat.Total disregard for passenger comfort - if anything shows that the MTA considers us a nothing more than a herd of cattle this is it! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 2 08:44:04 2008, in response to SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by jrf2 on Sat Aug 2 08:24:53 2008. More room in a train...Less trains to run... Sneaky.... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 2 09:01:20 2008, in response to SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by jrf2 on Sat Aug 2 08:24:53 2008. GOD BLESS PATH! =) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Aug 2 09:23:45 2008, in response to SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by jrf2 on Sat Aug 2 08:24:53 2008. The MTA just gave me all the proof I need that the BMT's operation of the subways and attitude towards its customers was much better than the MTA could ever dream of achieving.The BMT offered Bluebirds with mohair upholstered seatings and easy passage between cars. They would have had air conditioning if the technology were available back then... The MTA offers a cattle car without seats and threatens you with arrest and a fine if you accidentally get on that car and try to move to another one with seats... Priceless!!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 2 09:34:23 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by BMTLines on Sat Aug 2 09:23:45 2008. Look at the bright side ... they has BUSES! "Guess the psychosis of your seatmate." :-\ |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Sat Aug 2 09:58:28 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by BMTLines on Sat Aug 2 08:37:25 2008. I totally agree with you! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 2 10:16:43 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 2 08:44:04 2008. No..Diabolical...and just like the MTA. But hey..it's what the Tokyo[subway/commuter] rail systems does.. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Aug 2 10:31:17 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by BMTLines on Sat Aug 2 08:37:25 2008. I agree with you there. It's probably going to happen on my home subway lines - the 2 and the 5 - because they are among the most crowded subway lines. They'll want to find more ways to squeeze people on if they can. It's bad enough we have selfish people (animals, really) who force more people to stand by sitting with their legs spread way out and put their big-ass bags on the seats, taking up two or even three seats. Now they're going to take the seats out. Ridiculous! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 2 10:41:42 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by BMTLines on Sat Aug 2 09:23:45 2008. Indeed... |
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Posted by sitechboy on Sat Aug 2 11:20:44 2008, in response to SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by jrf2 on Sat Aug 2 08:24:53 2008. i'm thinking that this will most likely involve retrofitting a car about to be reefed, rather than a new tech.I'd guess an R-32 on the chopping block will be modified and run on the E |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 2 11:21:52 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by sitechboy on Sat Aug 2 11:20:44 2008. New cars,dude...they can be delievered with fold away seating. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 2 11:26:22 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Aug 2 10:31:17 2008. Next thing you know they'll be piping in cattle sounds.:) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Aug 2 11:26:37 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by BMTLines on Sat Aug 2 08:37:25 2008. if anything shows that the MTA considers us a nothing more than a herd of cattle this is it!OH NO!.... We treat our cattle MUCH BETTER than that! We give them fresh straw, and plenty of hay to eat and clean water to drink. And yes, we even do have a SUBWAY for them, so that they will not have to cross highway 8. ROARING (Please pass me another STEAK!) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Aug 2 11:28:53 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 2 11:21:52 2008. Yup. Dat be da ting!ROAR |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 2 11:29:29 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by sitechboy on Sat Aug 2 11:20:44 2008. They took the seats out of the trains at Denver International Airport shortly after it opened. Initially they ran three-car trains even though all the stations were designed to accommodate four-car trains. It wasn't long until an extra set of doors was added at each station and trains were increased to four cars. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 2 11:30:00 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Aug 2 11:26:37 2008. LOL....!Very good...funny as heck. I see you found you sense of humor again,Brother Lion! |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Aug 2 11:32:02 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 2 10:16:43 2008. The plan is that the JR Yamanote loop line, where they were first implemented will lose them eventually, with increased service and the reopening of paralleling tracks between Ueno and Tokyo by then. |
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Posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Aug 2 11:51:17 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Aug 2 11:26:37 2008. And don't forget when the Union Pacific was the last major railroad running cattle....er hog cars...HOGX, they ran 'em at the head of fast intermodal trains.David Harrison |
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Posted by vfrt on Sat Aug 2 12:05:45 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by BMTLines on Sat Aug 2 08:37:25 2008. More proof that NY is slowly becoming a 3rd world city! I don't think this experiment will last too long. Ridiculous! |
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Posted by Bingham C50 on Sat Aug 2 12:32:03 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Aug 2 08:29:12 2008. Hey, it wasn't your fault, David.Having said that, although I uderstand the practical reasoning that went into this proposal, I doubt it will go over well with the NYC riding public. I could be wrong, though. |
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Posted by Hoghead on Sat Aug 2 13:21:52 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by BMTLines on Sat Aug 2 08:37:25 2008. The MTA does not consider you a herd of cattle. Gaggle of geese, maybe; but not a herd of cattle. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sat Aug 2 13:25:15 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 2 11:26:22 2008. I think I hear the theme from Rawhide in thr background. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 2 13:28:32 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by daDouce Man on Sat Aug 2 13:25:15 2008. LOL...!Funny thing,fella... I was thinking the exact same thing! "Ride em up!ride em in!......move them....IN...!" |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sat Aug 2 13:51:52 2008, in response to SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by jrf2 on Sat Aug 2 08:24:53 2008. $81 a month for bullshit |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Aug 2 14:09:17 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by Forest Glen on Sat Aug 2 13:51:52 2008. Most commuters in Tokyo pay more than that. You should be thankful that you have a cheap commute on less crowded trains. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Aug 2 14:18:23 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Aug 2 14:09:17 2008. Tokyo's service is as frequent as track capacity allows, though, during peak hours, isn't it? Can't say that for most NYCT routes. |
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Posted by 7trainkrys on Sat Aug 2 14:40:07 2008, in response to SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by jrf2 on Sat Aug 2 08:24:53 2008. Oh, great. Now they have to PAY people to open and close the seats 4 times a day. Mistakes will be made just like with the roll signs. They should find a way to make the seats alter position mechanically by a button in the conductor cab. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Aug 2 14:58:12 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Aug 2 14:18:23 2008. Central Tokyo and Manhattan have about the same level of peak service. 20 to 32 tph. Some sections on JR lines like Tokyo to Shinagawa have eight tracks and a paralleling subway line though.Daytime, most Tokyo Metro lines are 10 tph. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Aug 2 15:16:24 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 2 09:01:20 2008. IAWTP. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 2 15:28:37 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Aug 2 11:26:37 2008. I'll bet Kev is happy to hear that.:) |
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Posted by rocketdriver2019 on Sat Aug 2 15:35:21 2008, in response to SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by jrf2 on Sat Aug 2 08:24:53 2008. This is an awful idea.So I'll be expecting the TTC to bring this up any day now... |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Sat Aug 2 15:40:21 2008, in response to SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by jrf2 on Sat Aug 2 08:24:53 2008. This is really a bad idea. I guess they not thinking about people with diablities. If they fall because they couldn't sit I am sure MTA may have a lawsuit on thier hands. I guess if they start this I can't bring my mom on the Subways. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Aug 2 15:54:14 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Sat Aug 2 15:40:21 2008. However...the MTA can always say which cars will have the seats available for those who absolutely MUST sit. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Aug 2 15:57:12 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by BMTLines on Sat Aug 2 09:23:45 2008. However...on lines, such as the Lex, where no more trains can be run...what else can you do? The SAS is at least 4-6 years away, and the relief is needed now. |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Sat Aug 2 16:00:58 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Aug 2 15:54:14 2008. Yeah but they to get to those cars during rush Hours. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Aug 2 16:11:17 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Aug 2 15:54:14 2008. However...the MTA can always say which cars will have the seats available for those who absolutely MUST sit.Meaningless if someone runs for the train and gets in a car without seats and is stuck there because the law prohibits moving between cars. Also ever since they removed the grab handles the bars above the seats are extremely high and uncomfortable. Some people (myself included) suffer excruciating shoulder pain when fully stretching arms. They should lower those bars to a more comfortable level. You will find a lot of people falling over each other or trying to lean on the windows... I would not be surprised if some New Yorkers don't try to break the locks and force the seats down with whatever means necessary.... |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Aug 2 16:25:16 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 2 10:16:43 2008. They also have platform conductors who push people into the trains to pack them like sardines. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 2 16:31:55 2008, in response to SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by jrf2 on Sat Aug 2 08:24:53 2008. This is a great idea in some respects.I'd roll this out on the Grand Central Shuttle immediately. I would not do it on long lines like the A and F. But this will cost millions to invest in and implement. For example, who's going to lift the seats, locks them, and put them back in the down position after rush hour? Platform personnel? C/R's on WAA? I don't see this happening system-wide, but it could work on the GCS. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Aug 2 17:00:17 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Aug 2 16:31:55 2008. I'd roll this out on the Grand Central Shuttle immediately.It's been tried and failed. NYT Editorial from 26 Jan 1956 Now the Seatless Train We have seen a good many ingenious improvements suggested for the Times Square-Grand Central subway shuttle in our day. But we had not expected to live long enough to hear a transit chairman propose that, for the convenience of the public, all seats be removed from the subway cars. In the old days, of course, the railroad ideal was a seat for every rider. But now, since there are obviously too few seats, the cure is to make them still fewer until there are none. Thus the commonly heard complaint that people are herded into the subway trains like cattle will receive new substantiation; they will ride standing like cattle too. Chairman Patterson of the Transit Authority is the author of this new reform, and he admits he as not yet convinced his fellow-members of the authority. He sees only slight inconvenience to passengers in the two-minute shuttle run. But to the two-minute running time must be added a possible standing and loading time averaging nearly three minutes, in a recent survey, and ranging upward to nearly six minutes maximum. This is standing time not only for the train but also for the passenger. Have the mills of reform, grinding without effect all these years since the atrociously engineered "temporary" shuttles installed in 1918, nothing better than this to deliver to a suffering public? Really, gentlemen, this is absurd. The shuttle has been getting stepchild treatment from the city far too long. It needs a thorough rebuilding and extension, river to river, maybe further. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Aug 2 17:10:24 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 2 08:44:04 2008. Next the MTA will complain that the dwell time at stations has increased due to the extra passengers. So the trains are running slower and they have to add time running time to the schedule. Now it is costing them more to operate service increasing the need for a fare hike. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Aug 2 17:12:42 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Aug 2 15:57:12 2008. Not true. Platforms could be lengthened to accommodate 11 car trains. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sat Aug 2 17:17:55 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by ChicagoPCCLCars on Sat Aug 2 08:29:12 2008. Here's the thread.I included pics of the Japanese version in this post. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Aug 2 17:23:26 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Aug 2 15:57:12 2008. However...on lines, such as the Lex, where no more trains can be run...what else can you do?The Lex has been operating at below peak capacity since the 1970's. They used to operate peaks of 32 tph on the express and 30 tph on the local. The current figures are 26 and 24. Reducing the number of trains has also made it more difficult to maintain schedules. One big problem with crush loading is that passengers have to get on and off at stations. There must be well defined corridors within the cars for passengers to reach the doors. Otherwise, any capacity gains derived by packing more passengers per car will be more than offset by fewer trains per hour due to increased dwell times at stations. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Aug 2 17:24:46 2008, in response to SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by jrf2 on Sat Aug 2 08:24:53 2008. I like it. We're not transporting people effectively if every bit of space on the train isn't utilized.We'll need more poles, though. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Aug 2 17:36:33 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Aug 2 17:00:17 2008. It would perhaps be a rather different case if the dwell times for peak boarding and alighting could be reduced significantly via use of more doors use of both sets of doors simultaneously, one for boarding and the other for alighting. But using R62/A cars and without changing the current procedures on the 42nd St Shuttle, there's not much room for improvement. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Aug 2 17:40:21 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Aug 2 17:23:26 2008. The Lex has been operating at below peak capacity since the 1970's. They used to operate peaks of 32 tph on the express and 30 tph on the local. The current figures are 26 and 24.What were the southern terminals for each of the 2/3/4/5 routes? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Aug 2 17:42:25 2008, in response to Re: SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Aug 2 17:24:46 2008. I like it. We're not transporting people effectively if every bit of space on the train isn't utilized.We'll need more poles, though. More poles, affirmative. But without running more frequent service or adding more doors per car, it's liable to be a repeat of what goes on with the 6 route now - the trains end up spending too much time at each station along the line. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 2 17:43:30 2008, in response to SRO coming to a line near you?, posted by jrf2 on Sat Aug 2 08:24:53 2008. Unless a train is dead empty I rarely get to sit anyway, so whether it has seats or not doesn't really matter. It would create a more egalitarian subway system. |
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