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And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Apr 6 04:19:36 2008 Times Square - 42 Street on the Flushing Line now has timers on both tracks. They're marked as 15 MPH, but the T/O's on the line are being warned that the timers are "SLOW", and to keep their trains under control at all times. Remember how fast trains used to enter the station? No more.Also in (7) line news, there was a Daily News article, which wasn't posted here, which says that Lou Brusati of (7) line managerial fame is having external speakers installed on the R-62A fleet, as well a new style of "goose-neck" microphone installed in the cabs, so conductors can make announcements while their heads are out the window. Or at least, that's what the newspapers think. What the higher ups apparently don't realize is that external speakers, open windows, and loud microphones don't mix. Ask any conductor who works on the (3) line, where the R-62s have always had external speakers. Here's the article: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/04/04/2008-04-04_hear_hear_subway_cars_get_external_louds.html |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 6 04:42:58 2008, in response to And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by G1Ravage on Sun Apr 6 04:19:36 2008. Heh. Why don't they just cut to the chase and go with WWII "throat mikes" where you CHOKE yourself and just talk. Since those things pick up vibrations directly from the throat, they sound like CHIT but don't whistle feedback. Back when the 32's were new, you HAD to close your cab door to hit the PA or it'd be "SKREEEEEeeeeeeee-bzhh-scree-nee-wop-skree!" Heh.BACK to the future! =) |
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Posted by (3) Livonia Ave. Local on Sun Apr 6 09:44:58 2008, in response to And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by G1Ravage on Sun Apr 6 04:19:36 2008. Truth. More often than always, loud feedback is heard at 1/3rd of the stations from the C/R's position when I ride the 3. Now, why the timers? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Sun Apr 6 09:50:57 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 6 04:42:58 2008. I always thought the SKREEEEEeeeeeeee-bzhh-scree-nee-wop-skree was the sound the trains made going around those tight corners. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 09:57:06 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by (3) Livonia Ave. Local on Sun Apr 6 09:44:58 2008. It sounds like they have been noticing overruns. "Leep your train under control at all times" suggests the T/Os are entering 42 St too fast and having to slow down too quickly. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 10:03:24 2008, in response to And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by G1Ravage on Sun Apr 6 04:19:36 2008. Times Square - 42 Street on the Flushing Line now has timers on both tracks. They're marked as 15 MPH, but the T/O's on the line are being warned that the timers are "SLOW", and to keep their trains under control at all times. Remember how fast trains used to enter the station? No more.I have a bad feeling that this ends the capacity of the Flushing Line to run more trains. It would probably make current trips longer as well, and provide for congestion at the Times Square terminal at well. They will, it seems, turn one of the most capable terminals in the system into something like World Trade Center or Jamaica Center. Yet another brilliant move. If this was there brilliant move, why didn't they just cheap out and buy an interlocking that could only be traversed at up to 15 mph? What is this move for, anyway, to show that the Javits Center terminal is actually superior once they've neutered Times Square? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 10:08:10 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 09:57:06 2008. I've never seen or heard of an overrun at Times Square. Beside which, what's the worry - since it's not as though there's a wall in the station to run into? On the claim that NYCT is guarding against overruns, there should logically be timed signals in EVERY station to guard against such possibility. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 10:08:19 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 10:03:24 2008. "I have a bad feeling that this ends the capacity of the Flushing Line to run more trains. It would probably make current trips longer as well, and provide for congestion at the Times Square terminal at well.They will, it seems, turn one of the most capable terminals in the system into something like World Trade Center or Jamaica Center. Yet another brilliant move." How about if you ride the 7 a few times after the change and see what it looks like? The danger of complaining about an operational change when you've never managed a train line is to forget that foaming about a particular decision without looking at the whole gestalt often leads you to wrong conclusions. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 10:10:22 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 10:08:10 2008. Instead of speculating here, foamer style, you could present the question nicely to the line superintendent or visit a control tower and ask what the purpose is. Then you could post the answer here and criticize it to your heart's content. At least then you'd have some real information upon which to base an opinion. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 10:12:32 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 10:08:19 2008. I plan to ride it very soon. Thus my comments were qualified to indicate that they are my predictions if indeed there are 15 mph timed signals. E.g., 'I have a bad feeling...' and 'It seems...'.The danger of complaining about an operational change when you've never managed a train line is to forget that foaming about a particular decision without looking at the whole gestalt often leads you to wrong conclusions. It's undeniable that if trains can only run through the station at 10-15 mph, that will reduce the terminal's capacity to handle service. That's not foaming. It's physics. Now you say that maybe NYCT has a good reason to cut the speed down to 10-15 mph. Perhaps you can identify that reason. It's beyond my ability, I confess. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 10:15:40 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 10:10:22 2008. If the concern is overruns, as YOU speculated, then I don't see why timed signals shouldn't be all over the system, throughout it, regulating speeds, everywhere except in the yards. |
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Posted by MJF on Sun Apr 6 10:18:23 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 10:10:22 2008. Hey foamer, you are the one who's speculating when you say "it sounds like they are noticing overruns. Where's your proff? |
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Posted by error46146 on Sun Apr 6 10:19:14 2008, in response to And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by G1Ravage on Sun Apr 6 04:19:36 2008. the funny thing is that i was waiting near the uptown track 11 sign, and the train was coming in and i was like why the hell is the train so damn slow? and then i turn around and see the note on the door... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 10:20:50 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 10:12:32 2008. "It's undeniable that if trains can only run through the station at 10-15 mph, that will reduce the terminal's capacity to handle service."Marginally. You didn't consider average dwell time at the station, the reason for the dwell time, nor where exactly the timer is, nor how much slack the schedule had to begin with. That's called foaming - focusing on one detail obsessively to the exclusion of all others. "Now you say that maybe NYCT has a good reason to cut the speed down to 10-15 mph. Perhaps you can identify that reason. It's beyond my ability, I confess. " You are incapable of asking the folks in the tower a question? You are incapable of posting a question to the line superintendent? More foaming on your part. |
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Posted by MJF on Sun Apr 6 10:21:06 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 10:03:24 2008. Without having operated there in many years and without having been down there recently, I'm guessing this move has something to do with adding protection for the work that is going to take place beyond the Times Square station. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Apr 6 10:22:09 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 10:12:32 2008. Just how fast in miles per hour does current #7 trains enter and leave the Times Square station? I also mean in both cases where the train is traveling over and not over the switches.Since the train operators KNOW that they have to stop at the platforms, negotiate the curves to/from Fifth Avenue, etc -- just how fast is the usual train traveling anyway? Even during the rush hours? Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sun Apr 6 10:22:42 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 10:12:32 2008. Just how fast in miles per hour does current #7 trains enter and leave the Times Square station? I also mean in both cases where the train is traveling over and not over the switches.Since the train operators KNOW that they have to stop at the platforms, negotiate the curves to/from Fifth Avenue, etc -- just how fast is the usual train traveling anyway? Even during the rush hours? Mike |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 10:22:43 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by MJF on Sun Apr 6 10:18:23 2008. Yes, I was speculating, but my guess is reasonable, based on the language used in the order (as posted here). But if you cared so much about this non-event, go over to the tower and ask. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 10:24:08 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by MJF on Sun Apr 6 10:21:06 2008. OK, that's a reasonable possibility. If so, it supports my overrun theory: If a train overran the platform going westbound, it could clobber construction workers. |
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Posted by MJF on Sun Apr 6 10:30:35 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 10:22:43 2008. Why don't you write a letter to Lou Brussatti since you are the one who is making baseless guesses without really knowing what's going.The foam is coming from Reno. |
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Posted by Alex L. on Sun Apr 6 10:31:48 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 09:57:06 2008. Hasn't been an overrun at that location in over two years - although there have been a couple of underruns that caused problems. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Apr 6 10:40:47 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by Alex L. on Sun Apr 6 10:31:48 2008. Don't tell me they tried putting in a 12 car train again. WHy is anything under running anyway? The timers are clear if there is nothing laid up behins the markers and homeball unless they redid the signals there |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 10:45:06 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by MJF on Sun Apr 6 10:30:35 2008. Ah, the childish defensiveness of the foamer comes out again. You don't want to go ask the TA workers on the line what's going on because you already think you know how to run the line better than they do, and you don't want to be told differently.Understood. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 10:45:55 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by Alex L. on Sun Apr 6 10:31:48 2008. Thank you. Them there might be another reason for the timers. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 10:45:55 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by Alex L. on Sun Apr 6 10:31:48 2008. Thank you. Them there might be another reason for the timers. |
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Posted by mr_brian on Sun Apr 6 11:01:33 2008, in response to And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by G1Ravage on Sun Apr 6 04:19:36 2008. Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Apr 6 04:19:36 2008:Times Square - 42 Street on the Flushing Line now has timers on both tracks. They're marked as 15 MPH, but the T/O's on the line are being warned that the timers are "SLOW", and to keep their trains under control at all times. Remember how fast trains used to enter the station? No more. 
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 11:09:25 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 10:20:50 2008. Marginally.Granting you, arguendo, that it's marginal, that's x seconds added on to each move. It has a cumulative effect. If you doubt this, then you can visit the actual terminals where timed signals enforce low speeds, look at your watch with a second hand, look at the trains, and multiply. You didn't consider average dwell time at the station, the reason for the dwell time I've taken it that these factors shouldn't affect the terminal capacity. So my estimate based off that will look better than what happens in the real case where a train dwells longer than it should. Bear in mind that this is a terminal, so you have the delay in opening the doors, crew change and passenger exchange, conductor setup, engineer recharges the brakes and does her checks, close up the doors, get indication, get lineup, proceed. Remember also on the proceeding out, there is a brake test, so the speed out would be a bit slower than the speed in. nor where exactly the timer is If the speed limit imposed is now 15 mph, that's the speed limit, isn't it? Timed signals or not. nor how much slack the schedule had to begin with Running 30 tph, you figure out how much slack there is in the schedule bearing in mind the list of to-dos that I mentioned. That's called foaming - focusing on one detail obsessively to the exclusion of all others. Genius, I cut you slack by not counting the other factors, all of which would tend to delay service compared to the case where all that's involved is just going in and going out of the terminal. If you don't want the favor, OK, your job is made that much harder. More foaming on your part. No foaming. Just math. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 11:13:47 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by MJF on Sun Apr 6 10:21:06 2008. How far are the workers from the emergency stop of a train tripped by the 'southernmost' stop signals - they're working closer than that? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 11:15:51 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by Michael549 on Sun Apr 6 10:22:42 2008. We have people here who have worked the line, so I will defer to them on your particular question, but I will say that the entering and leaving speeds are well above 10-15 mph. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 11:19:08 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 10:45:55 2008. How would a timed signal protect against an underrun? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Apr 6 11:38:21 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by Michael549 on Sun Apr 6 10:22:42 2008. I dont work the 7 Line anymore(Im in the B Div) so all i can say is how it was when i was there.From Grand Central to Times Sqaure both directions,Timer city 10 to 15 Mph tops anything more and you are taking a chance of getting tripped. The Speed Entering Times Square if im correct when i worked the 7 Line was 20 mph both tracks even over the switch after all those timers you encountered have cleared. Leaving same thing 20 mph... I was wondering when they was going to "slow" that terminal down... Oh well even if its liked or not agreed with or not this is what they wanted to do so T/O's will have to "adapt" thats all... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 6 12:01:48 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by daDouce Man on Sun Apr 6 09:50:57 2008. i guess you were wrong. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 6 12:03:53 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by Alex L. on Sun Apr 6 10:31:48 2008. YOU PWN3D RON! AGAIN! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 6 12:08:00 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 11:09:25 2008. haha, i laugh as you waste time trying to talk sense to your lead troll. i hope you don't learn too much from him, but it seems you are getting worse and worse :( |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Apr 6 14:01:11 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 6 12:03:53 2008. That just makes your day, doesn't it? You can go and change your shorts now. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Apr 6 14:04:09 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 6 12:08:00 2008. As are you, at ignoring Ron. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 14:06:59 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by mr_brian on Sun Apr 6 11:01:33 2008. LOL! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 14:12:12 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 11:09:25 2008. Dwell time does afferct terminal capacity, No, it's not the maximum mathematical capacity - it's the capacity achieved given the amount of time a train actually spends parked at the track.You're foaming, because you're complaining about one factor, exaggerating is impact, while knowing absolutely nothing about why the timers were put in, nor caring. And, of course, you're upset because it doesn't let the trains go fast - the machines you love. As information, children with autism commonly focus on one thing to the exclusion of others, and these are typically mechanical things to the exclusion of people. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Apr 6 14:12:36 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by MJF on Sun Apr 6 10:21:06 2008. I would agree to that. When the construction on that end begins, they will most likely have to take the tail tracks entirely out of service, and possibly set up some sort of equipment near the station that would necessitate added protection. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 14:14:23 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 11:19:08 2008. Did you read my post? |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Apr 6 14:16:42 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Apr 6 14:01:11 2008. Coming from a man who is "locomotive qualified" I have yet to see if it was HO scale or he scaled some HOes |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 14:19:01 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by G1Ravage on Sun Apr 6 14:12:36 2008. According to another poster some days ago, excavation of the line and station at the Javits end has been in progress. It would be interesting to see what's happening at the Times Square end. The TA will not mess with the capacity of one of their busiest lines without a valid reason, and the safety of construction workers is a very valid reason.If I recall correctly, the Javits terinal is to be three tracks; if so, that should help the new terminal's capacity when it opens for business. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 14:20:05 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Apr 6 14:16:42 2008. Brian is strictly N-gauge. :0) |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 6 14:25:15 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 14:12:12 2008.  |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 6 14:27:20 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by MJF on Sun Apr 6 10:21:06 2008. That makes sense, given that we had 2 fatalities in the system last year. It matters not that the circumstances were different, but just the fact that there was an accident means increased safety procedures.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Apr 6 14:33:10 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 6 14:27:20 2008. What happened last year doesn't equal what will happen this year. TA never took adequate precautions pertaining to their own work force when signal maintainers were dying in pairs since the 80s1) 121 Street, wrong railing, J line 2) Astor Place 3) Kings Highway, F 4) E Line Canal Street and 96-1 Line within one week period However this trend doesn't happen with private contractors. We are expendable. They are not. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 14:36:00 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 14:12:12 2008. Dwell time does afferct terminal capacityDwell time only affects terminal capacity negatively, however, Mr. Know-It-All. There will always be some dwell time t, so terminal capacity will always be negatively affected. What does that have to do with the independent determinant of terminal capacity that I actually talking about, i.e., time to enter and leave the terminal t/from platforming position? Answer: absolutely nothing! Dwell time t can only diminish terminal capacity since it can only be a positive and nonzero number. What does dwell time t have to do with entering/leaving time T? Capacity will take into account T + t. Both of those numbers are positive and neither is zero. You're foaming, because you're complaining about one factor, exaggerating is impact, while knowing absolutely nothing about why the timers were put in All of that is to say that you don't know why the timers were put in. And, of course, you're upset because it doesn't let the trains go fast - the machines you love. No, ignorant fool. For those of us not living several time zones from the Flushing Line, the line's capability to run more trains is of vital importance. And again, for the umpteenth time, you demonstrate your fundamental misunderstanding of the issue. A marginal increase in trip time doesn't affect capacity; it might merely require that more trains be run to maintain the same frequency of service (and so, it might make service more expensive). A decrease in terminal capacity will, however, limit the frequency of service that can be run on the line (since there is only one southern terminal). As information, children with autism commonly focus on one thing to the exclusion of others Physician, heal thyself.... |
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Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 14:37:55 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 6 14:19:01 2008. If I recall correctly, the Javits terinal is to be three tracks; if so, that should help the new terminal's capacity when it opens for business.3 tracks by itself will not make for an efficient terminal, e.g., Flushing-Main St on the same line. |
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Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 14:39:55 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun Apr 6 14:16:42 2008. He's not locomotive qualified. He's qualified as loco. |
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Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 6 14:47:37 2008, in response to Re: And the (7) line gets a little slower....(and louder), posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 6 14:39:55 2008. excellent work troll. I see you are even learning from Ron on the weekends. |
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