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Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are? |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Sat Mar 8 20:49:37 2008      I took this in the pouring rain at RMLI. 9547-8 were hidden in the back end of Holban Yard along with 9745-6, now this pair is the new addition along with former B&M coach W85, and P72 #2907 on the other end which were former sandite cars. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Mar 8 20:50:53 2008, in response to Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Neil Feldman on Sat Mar 8 20:49:37 2008. SWEET! |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 21:04:08 2008, in response to Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Neil Feldman on Sat Mar 8 20:49:37 2008. Now those are REAL CARS. They knew how to build cars back then. even in the 70's. Well, BUDD ALWAYS knew how to build cars. |
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Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 8 21:06:22 2008, in response to Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Neil Feldman on Sat Mar 8 20:49:37 2008. Holban is just south of Hillside, correct?I would personally favor saving one married pair of M1s for museum purposes, restored to as-new condition with original LIRR markings, including the two-tone blue M with LONG ISLAND under it. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 8 21:07:28 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 21:04:08 2008. Budd still builds cars (parts of them, anyway). You can see the results when you visit your Big Three auto dealer. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Sat Mar 8 21:07:35 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 21:04:08 2008. Well, BUDD ALWAYS knew how to build cars.Except the SPV2000 |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Mar 8 21:11:25 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by chuchubob on Sat Mar 8 21:07:35 2008. In the Budd roster was a lot more dudds, yes RDC and some others were succesfull but Bud had lots of failures in self propelled cars they built before the RDC.Chuck Crouses the RDC story has much info on that. |
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Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 21:17:25 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by chuchubob on Sat Mar 8 21:07:35 2008. The SPV's problems were due to poorly manufactured transmissions and engines. BUDD ordered these, assured they would be good like the RDC's components, but it turns out the companies gave them BS components.Note that the Clocker still uses BUDD EMU's(unpowered) in push pull service. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 21:20:27 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Mar 8 21:11:25 2008. Few companies have had as much success as BUDD has, however. they did experiment. |
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Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 8 21:21:36 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 21:17:25 2008. "BUDD ordered these, assured they would be good like the RDC's components, but it turns out the companies gave them BS components."Even if true, the responsibility still remained Budd's as the prime contractor. Pullman always had a well-deserved reputation for outstanding and luxurious passenger car equipment. When the R-46's were delivered with advanced light-weight Rockwell trucks, they suffered cracking in service. It was Rockwell's fault, but Pullman's responsibility. Other than that the cars were quite well designed and have, historically, seen good service. Today the R46 still performs very well. |
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Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 21:27:52 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 21:17:25 2008. That said, it was the responsibility of BUDD, and it hurt their reputation more than the engine (caterpillar??) builder's.If you want something right, you should do it yourself. that is why the PRR built the GG-1s in their shops, so they didn't have to put up with bull. Not always true, as the Coney Island rebuilt cars are in the worst condition due to BS rebuilding. Coney island shops aren't what they used to be. Is it not these shops under the BMT that built the C cars, and Q cars from older equiptment? |
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Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sat Mar 8 21:39:21 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 21:17:25 2008. "Note that the Clocker still uses BUDD EMU's(unpowered) in push pull service. "You mean the Keystone uses push-pull Metroliner cars. |
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Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 21:59:23 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 8 21:06:22 2008. Holban is just south of Hillside, correct?Yes, it's on the east side of the Montauk Line when it curves on to the ramps leading into HALL. I would personally favor saving one married pair of M1s for museum purposes, restored to as-new condition with original LIRR markings, including the two-tone blue M with LONG ISLAND under it. Agreed. I always wonder whether or not the M1s were prematurely retired, given that LIRR always seem to need more cars, and what the prospects were for further overhauls. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 22:06:18 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by R42 4787 on Sat Mar 8 21:39:21 2008. DAMN, you are right, it is keyston. I think I read that on the boards at PENN station. What is the Clocker though?The cab car of the trains is an old unpowered EMU. Maybe all the cars used to be EMUs, but can't you put an am-can in between i suppose they MIGHT lack the jumpers necessary? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 22:18:26 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by R42 4787 on Sat Mar 8 21:39:21 2008. DAMN, you are right, it is keyston. I think I read that on the boards at PENN station. What is the Clocker though?The cab car of the trains is an old unpowered EMU. Maybe all the cars used to be EMUs, but can't you put an am-can in between i suppose they MIGHT lack the jumpers necessary? |
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Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Mar 8 22:21:03 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 22:18:26 2008. only cab car is ex metroliner car the rest is Amfleet.Currently all Amfleet 1 has push pull capabilities. |
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Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 22:28:11 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 22:06:18 2008. Maybe all the cars used to be EMUs, but can't you put an am-can in between i suppose they MIGHT lack the jumpers necessary?AMTK equipment is standardized, so I don't think that's it. They need cab cars for Keystone service, so they go to the ex-Metroliners. What is the Clocker though? As I recall, this was the former NYP-PHI service, which has recently been ceded to NJT to operate, which now is run as a NYP-TRE service, the 39XY trains. |
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Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 22:30:03 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Mar 8 22:21:03 2008. HA! i WAS right, at leat once, even you agree. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 22:31:39 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 22:30:03 2008. You don't think AMTK can put a locomotive in front of a Keystone cab car - why? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 22:37:30 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 22:28:11 2008. therefore it is not REALLY a clocker, it only took its place, not even to philly. I guess Amtrak didn't want any competiotion for Acela then. Though doesn't keystone provide a similar service? Though from washington?If NJT operates to NYC no problem, why not Philly? And septa is down in trenton anyways. maybe septa doesn't want competition. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 22:38:08 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 22:31:39 2008. I never said that. |
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Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 00:39:20 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 21:59:23 2008. Mebbe. On the other hand the cars would have need another overhaul and after 40 years of service, it was time for some new cars. |
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Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 9 00:50:04 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 21:04:08 2008. I'd bet that the old timers of yester-year thought the same of the M1's as you think of today's New Tech Trains! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 9 01:17:35 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 9 00:50:04 2008. Hehe ... the MP's were big arnines. :) |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sun Mar 9 09:09:46 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 22:37:30 2008. Keystone service is New York - Philadelphia - Harrisburg. Clockers in recent years ran during rush hours from New York to Philadelphia only. Perhaps someone could comment on how they were scheduled under the PRR and ran behind the famous GG1. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sun Mar 9 09:15:38 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 21:59:23 2008. The M1's gave good service but had some design deficiencies which caused them to fail during cold weather and especially during snowstorms. The M-7 was designed specifically to address these problems by enclosing the electrical equipment inside the car instead of underneath as on the M-1. This is not something which an overhaul could correct. Of course this has the unfortunate consequence of reducing seating capacity. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Mar 9 10:04:06 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 8 21:06:22 2008. I would personally favor saving one married pair of M1s for museum purposes, restored to as-new condition with original LIRR markings, including the two-tone blue M with LONG ISLAND under it.Traditionally speaking the LIRR was never much into historic preservation. So spending mucho dinero would be nice in the eyes of foamers but the LIRR wants no part of this. A good example of this was then LIRR President Walter Schlager, instructed to have the traction motors removed from the handful of remaining MP-54s so they would never run again. That says it all. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 10:28:05 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Mar 9 10:04:06 2008. Restoring the M-1's is not a job for railroad, you can't waste taxpayer money on it.The job of restoring rail cars is by volunteers at rail museums. The fact that the railroad donates equipment is even questionable as its the railroads obligation to taxpayer to get most money out of disposing of assets. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 11:10:40 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Mar 9 10:04:06 2008. As Dutch said, the LIRR can donater the cars and volunteers can do the rest. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 11:12:16 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 10:28:05 2008. Donating a couple of cars to a museum is well within the railroad's discretion and would not be a breach of its obligation to the taxpayers. In fact, such a donation is great marketing for the railroad and a good value for the taxpayer. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 11:18:12 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 11:12:16 2008. Not according NY state law governing disposition of assets.It makes sense from a railfan perspective but giving away $20 000 in parts and stainless steel on a pair of M1's does not make sense from a ticket holder or taxpayer perspective. Anyway if you ever get involved in requesting assets as for a museum you get to deal with the legaleze of these things |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Mar 9 11:21:51 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 11:18:12 2008. Well then aren't we glad that many railroads don't follow NY State law!?!?! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 11:26:00 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 11:18:12 2008. "Not according NY state law governing disposition of assets."Wrong. It's perfectly acceptable. In fact, NYC Transit offered subway cars for free to anyone who paid to get them off the property. Volunteers who can raise enough money to remove the M1s from LIRR property (transportation costs) and then restore them, in return for for the donation of the equipment itself, would be doing the railroad a favor. That, plus the marketing value for the railroad of having cars in the museum. If there were no value in it, the Transit Museum would not exist. "but giving away $20 000 in parts and stainless steel" Parts that can no longer be used on trains and stainless steel that would have been reefed anyway. Do you think the states who got subway cars as reefs paid for them? There is absolutely no conflict with state law or any other regulations. Once the cars are at a museum, however, it is the museum's responsibility to abide by state law when deciding whether to operate the cars or merely have them as a static display. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 11:31:09 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 11:26:00 2008. Ron your theory on how things should happen does not match how real world works.And so far reefing stainless steel does not make sense as it is worth someting like $600 per ton. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 11:45:37 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 11:31:09 2008. "Ron your theory on how things should happen does not match how real world works."Why don't you call NYC Transit and ask them what their policy was on disposal of subway cars? This was even in the newspapers. "And so far reefing stainless steel does not make sense as it is worth someting like $600 per ton." And yet they are doing it. So who does it not make sense to? Maybe you need a reality check. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 11:47:13 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 9 00:50:04 2008. I like the MP's though.Wish they could have been upgraded with more powerful motors to boost performance to M-1 levels. A railroad should only buy new cars during expansion of the system or service. The smaller lines get the older trains while the mainlines get the newer ones. THAT is how it SHOULD work. Not simply buying new cars. A railcar can last long. Especially the BUDDs with their durable design. Easily can go another 40 years. Had the MPs been taken care of properly and overhauled, they would still be running. And what about the ACMUs? There is an example of waste. Could have lasted longer. Either they were built cheaply compared to the older cars, or someone had extra money to send over to japan. The latter is probably more of the reason. BMT ran things the right way. Thats why some cars lasted over 60 years due to good maintanence and rebuilding. I refer to the Q cars which were based on cars built in 1903. Some trailers were probably even older. Note that those cars had WOODEN bodies. It was when the TA came to power that fares went up, things that used to bring profit needed to be subsidized. THEN they had notheing better to do, so they had a mass scrapping of the ex-BMT fleet. Not even a beautiful Bluebird was saved in all the commotion and BS. Note that to this day, no cars bought by the TA has lasted for as long as the BMT's or IRT's. Not to mention the premature scrapping of the Triplex and other articulated cars. The Brightliner specifically have the potential to easily stay around for another 20 years with another GOH. Had the BMT and IRT stayed in power, the Standards would be rebuilt as SMEE with higher power trucks. The Lo-V's would still operate with better performance as well. The cars would look a bit different, but the body would be the same durable one. The body would last, it is the power components, and trucks that must only be changed. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 11:54:24 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 11:47:13 2008. "A railroad should only buy new cars during expansion of the system or service."No, a railroad should buy new cars when it makes sense, economically, to do so. "The smaller lines get the older trains while the mainlines get the newer ones." No, the cars are apportioned based on ridership demand, rvice requirements and the logistics involved with the repair shops. "A railcar can last long. Especially the BUDDs with their durable design. Easily can go another 40 years." Could, but not economically. The cost to maintain them would be far higher than buying new cars, especially since the old cars' manufacturers no longer exist. Sometimes it's hard even to get blueprints and plans. "It was when the TA came to power that fares went up, things that used to bring profit needed to be subsidized." The private subway companies were already bankrupt when the TA came along. After automobile use expanded in the 1940s and 1950s, there was no chance subway lines could ever turn a profit. Currently, the subway system actualy comes close to breaking even. It's the bus system that loses most of the money. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 12:04:15 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 11:45:37 2008. you need beating but then you keep hidding |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 12:04:33 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 11:54:24 2008. Guy, they do not come close. What is the statistic? 70% recovery? That is BULL. With the amount of ridership, they SHOULD make a profit.The BMT turned a profit to the VERY end, Ron, so don't argue with your BS mindset. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 12:07:02 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 11:47:13 2008. ACMU's were done, just about consumed by internal rust.As for stainless steel despite what railfans thiunk it does not last forever. Stainless steel from stress gets brittle and starts ripping and cracking, one of reasons that M1's did not get a overhaul. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 12:09:01 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 12:04:33 2008. " 70% recovery? "95+% for the trains and 50% for the buses. Compare that to 15% in Kansas City where only 51,000 people a day ride transit. "The BMT turned a profit to the VERY end" No, they didn't. You need to do some serious reading. A shitstorm called "automobile" and "suburb" was coming... |
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Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 12:10:13 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 12:07:02 2008. "Rust-proof" steel isn't rust-proof; it takes a lot longer to corrode, but it does eventually corrode. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 12:18:29 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 12:09:01 2008. They DID turn a profit. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Mar 9 12:18:29 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 10:28:05 2008. Restoring the M-1's is not a job for railroad, you can't waste taxpayer money on it.I agree with you on that, but some here will argue that if NYCT spends money maintaining and running museum equipmnent why can't commuter railroads. Commuter railroads and transit are different animals. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 12:24:08 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 12:07:02 2008. Poor maintanence.I know stainless does corrode, but VERY slowly, or QUICKLY. the thing is that it oxidizes so quickly that it forms a protective layer. This makes a paint like layer that repairs itself when scratched. It gets brittle from constant flexing as every other material. That is WHY railcars should be built rigidly, to prevent flexing. New cars are DESIGNEd to flex, therefore designed to fatigue, crack, and "rip". M1's were far from the best cars ever produced, but i never heard of cracking or ripping on them. were the frames cracked on them? I doubt it, but enlighten me. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Mar 9 12:24:22 2008, in response to Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Neil Feldman on Sat Mar 8 20:49:37 2008. Good catch Neil!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Mar 9 12:29:25 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 11:45:37 2008. And yet they are doing it. So who does it not make sense to?With scrap prices that high, Dutchrailnut does have a point, Ron. Perhaps there's some other explanation that one can give, but the fact they're passing up the cash isn't proof that it makes sense unless you know what their decisionmaking process is. For my own part, I've found it very curious that the stainless steel carbodies have been reefed. I sent off an e-mail to MTA; let's see if the fish bite. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 12:49:22 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun Mar 9 12:24:08 2008. The M1's had very small cracks near truck mounts, the biggest killer of them was that rebuilding was impossible due to fact windows are to small and redesigning window openings would have completely destroyed the shell, current windows need to be a minimum of 24" high.The M-3's do not have the problem yet but if they were to be rebuilt they run into same problem, same with Amfleet |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 9 13:23:56 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Mar 9 11:26:00 2008. Do you think the states who got subway cars as reefs paid for them?As a matter of fact, yes. I heard that NJ was paying $400 each for reef cars. (It was on a web site or in the paper or something.) Yes that surprised me. It also surprised me that they were dumping the stainless in the ocean. Maybe scrap stainless is worth $600/ton, but the cost of asbestos abatement seems to be greater still. Apparently ownership cannot be transfered until the current owner abates the asbestos. Plus increased health and liability insurance on its workers. The hell with it. Dump them in the ocean. The fish don't care, and will not breath the stuff anyway. ROAR |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Mar 9 13:27:20 2008, in response to Re: Anybody want to know where one of the LIRR's M1 pairs are?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 9 13:23:56 2008. Any cars built after 1974 don't have asbestos anyway.Even the M1's had very little asbestos, and the stuff that was in there was not insulation but flame shields at contactors, each of which lifts out of the contactor for tip renewal. |
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