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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 7 02:10:07 2008 my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' )this is ammazing he never told me this before !! omg the standard electric locomotive of the world, the Pennsylvania Railroad's GG1  .
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 02:12:10 2008, in response to my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 7 02:10:07 2008. Great model, but ended up posting four times. Next time, just hit "post preview". |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 7 02:14:38 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 02:12:10 2008. I so sorry i hit it once and 4 x it came upsorry guy |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 7 03:21:52 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 7 02:14:38 2008. You hit it 4 times. It's not possible to click "Post Message" once and have it post 4 times.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 7 03:47:20 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 7 03:21:52 2008. okbut now i want a commment on the GG1 .......... please .. |
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Posted by R PansePCC on Fri Mar 7 05:07:58 2008, in response to my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 7 02:10:07 2008. My Father was a GG fan also. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 7 05:11:55 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by R PansePCC on Fri Mar 7 05:07:58 2008. allright !!i am looking at the nyc.subway.org photos now one hell of a electric locomotive |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 7 06:17:48 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 7 03:47:20 2008. LOL, ok.They're one of the best locomotives evar. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 7 06:26:09 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by Fred G on Fri Mar 7 06:17:48 2008. yes sir !!you are right |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Mar 7 07:46:31 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 7 03:47:20 2008. They were something to see and hear in person. They were huge and made all the right sounds as they accelerated. October 1983 was their last run on the NJT line to South Amboy.South Amboy was a facinating place to railfan not just because the yard near the station but the engine change between the electric GG-1s and the E-8 diesels. And the manually opertaed crossing gates with gatemen and shantys made this locale look like the 1930s instead of the 1970-80's. Bill "Newkirk" |
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Posted by chuchubob on Fri Mar 7 08:03:17 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Mar 7 07:46:31 2008. Agreed.       
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Posted by kp5308 on Fri Mar 7 09:26:07 2008, in response to my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 7 02:10:07 2008. The drawing you posted is of the "test" GG1, later renumbered 4800 when the engine was chosen as the prototype for the fleet, with the change to an all welded shell & streamlining of various exterior details by Raymond Lowey. As shown in Bob's post, the fleet also introduced the 5 stripe PRR livery.PRR tested a homebuilt model R1 2- D -2 fixed frame engine against a borrowed New Haven EP3a 2 -C + C- 2 model on the test section at Claymont DE, & found the tracking qualities of the NH engine to be vastly superior to the enlarged P5a model that the R1 represented. A vivid memory from my early teenage years is a Silverliner (II) cab ride from Elizabethtown to Harrisburg, which included passing a Truc-Train powered by a pair of G's, then getting a tour of a G cab while at Harrisburg. I bring this up because I had 3 non-railfan buddies with me, & they ALL recall this just as clearly as I do. They were indeed impressive machines. |
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Posted by Jrice on Fri Mar 7 09:31:44 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by chuchubob on Fri Mar 7 08:03:17 2008. Thank you gentlemen for actually responding to the intent of the post. ...and awesome photos from the Master to boot!! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 7 09:51:01 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by chuchubob on Fri Mar 7 08:03:17 2008. This was probably Raymond Lowey's greatest masterpiece, his David, his Mona Lisa. Too bad that towards the end they were desecrated with this paint scheme. Oh, the humanity: 
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 7 10:36:46 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by kp5308 on Fri Mar 7 09:26:07 2008. How could they traverse sharp turns at speed with 5 trucks? |
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Posted by kp5308 on Fri Mar 7 10:49:08 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 7 10:36:46 2008. Check out the photos-lead truck(2) & drivers(C) of 1st section, a pivot in the middle, then drivers(C) & lead truck(2) of 2nd section.View frame HERE . Worked just like a Mallet steam engine. |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Fri Mar 7 12:56:54 2008, in response to my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 7 02:10:07 2008. I was (and will probably always be) a GG1 fan. I still have my Lionel O gauge model! |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 14:00:39 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by kp5308 on Fri Mar 7 09:26:07 2008. 4800 aka "Old Rivets" resides in retirement quietly at RR Museum PA, Strasburg. Only GG1 in Conrail blue and wore a special 1976 bicentennial scheme. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Fri Mar 7 14:25:33 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by R42 4787 on Fri Mar 7 14:00:39 2008. 4800 aka "Old Rivets" resides in retirement quietly at RR Museum PA, Strasburg. Only GG1 in Conrail blue and wore a special 1976 bicentennial scheme. 
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 7 15:39:00 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by BMT Standard on Fri Mar 7 12:56:54 2008. do you have a photo of it ?love to see how they did it !! right on |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Mar 7 18:37:24 2008, in response to my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 7 02:10:07 2008. It is an excellent locomotive. A truly durable locomotive. It is legendary, really.One of the first, if not THE first locos i knew about due to the distinctive design. I have a blck Amtrak model #902. I've seen a new toasterwith this number though, so i guess Amtrak GG-1 902 was scrapped, if it ever existed. It is an example of an well built piece of equptment. This is why some ran into the 80's in passenger service, over some VERY rough tracks, mind you. The new European toasters wouldn't last 20 years of what some of the GG-1s whent through for almost 50 years. Some people here are against using overqualified, well designed construction, for some reason, yet they can't look at history and see that spending a little more money for a thicker piece of steel will save money when you don't have money to constantly repair due to cracks, and hardware failure. Some people refer to this as being "inefficient". They are against quality. The way some people write about "efficiency" and "crush zones", if they were to design a railcar, they would build it entirely of plastic. PS: Crush zones are a bad thing in a train doing 30 miles+. Maybe good at 5 miles, but dangerous at higher speeds. Don't want to be in a train that folds up with you in it. When designing a railcar, the best way to keep passengers safe is through structural rigidity. Especially sideswipes in derailments. |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Fri Mar 7 18:37:44 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Mar 7 07:46:31 2008. I remember back in 1977 I was on my way to Boston from Penn Station in Manhattan. I was on the platform and the engineer struck up a conversation with me. I informed him that I was a Motorman for the NY Transit Authority. He and the Fireman seemed impressed and asked how far I was going. I replied to Boston. He said how would you like to take a ride in the cab. The thought of riding a GG1 was thrilling. He helped hoist my suitcase into the cabin. He was as interested in the subway operation as I was in the operation of the locomotive. It's amazing the number of points of power she has, I think it's 12. She pulled out of Penn Station like a quiet magic carpet ride. I remember watching the signals in the tunnel go by in a blur. At New Haven where the power was changed to diesel, the engineer talked to the Conductor and explained that I was a good friend of his and to honor the request of free passage to Boston. That truly was one of my finest expieriences.Bklynsubwaybob |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Mar 7 19:13:53 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 7 09:51:01 2008. HA! there's amtrak 902! i got a model of it, though it is black. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Mar 7 19:35:32 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by bklynsubwaybob on Fri Mar 7 18:37:44 2008. Sounds like a beautiful experience, one you will never forget. Some have dreams of this.i don't see firemen in passenger trains these days, how come? What was the fireman's job on the electric loco? |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Mar 7 23:49:12 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Mar 7 18:37:24 2008. The new European toasters wouldn't last 20 years of what some of the GG-1s whent through for almost 50 years.No, you're right, they've gone through nearly 30 years of what the GG1s went through. And because the AEM7s came in on the backside of deferred maitenance they took the crappy track, the crap power systems, and everything else when they were new. The fact that the AEM7s are in as good a shape as they are today is a testament to their design. for a thicker piece of steel will save money when you don't have money to constantly repair due to cracks, and hardware failure. Except that the primary reason the GG1s were retired in the early 1980s was due to frame cracking. When designing a railcar, the best way to keep passengers safe is through structural rigidity. You could not be more wrong if you tried. A crash is all about disposing of kinetic energy in a way that does not injure the passengers. If your carbody is not designed to absorb any kinetic energy then it will keep ricochetting off stationary objects adjacent to the track. Every time the railcar bounces off another object is a moment where a passenger can sustain an injury or even die. Aside from that it's just a good idea to keep accidents from happening in the first place. There's a damn good reason the TGV has a nearly perfect safety record after all these years despite an operation which is completely unsafe by US standards. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Mar 7 23:57:36 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by WillD on Fri Mar 7 23:49:12 2008. There's a damn good reason the TGV has a nearly perfect safety record after all these years despite an operation which is completely unsafe by US standards.At the kind of HUGE momenta with trains at even 45 mph that one is talking about, accident prevention, or at least ensuring accidents happen only at restricted speed where energy management can work is vital. The train that crashes at 90 mph is in tons of trouble. At higher energy transfer levels, other than sacrificing cars themselves as crumple zones - maybe, on one reading of it, that's why there was much less loss of life in the Chase collision than might be expected - one's hard-pressed to suggest something workable. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 8 00:29:52 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Mar 7 18:37:24 2008. "Crush zones are a bad thing in a train doing 30 miles+. "Do you read anything about vehicle design? Why don't you consult the National Highway Traffic safety Administration or the Insurance Institute and do some real reading, then come back and post. |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sat Mar 8 14:42:59 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri Mar 7 19:35:32 2008. From what I was told, the Fireman is a throwback to the steam era. But on long hooded trains the Fireman would call out signals to the Engineer on blind curves.Bob |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Mar 8 14:44:39 2008, in response to my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Mar 7 02:10:07 2008. Are any of these still around or still, preserved? |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 8 14:48:38 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Mar 8 14:44:39 2008. Yes, and big time at the RR Museum of Pennsylvaniayour pal, Fred |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Mar 8 14:50:31 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 8 14:48:38 2008. Excellent. But judging by the amount of wheels on there trucks, I take it that they could not handle sharp curves? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 15:03:08 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sat Mar 8 14:50:31 2008. The GG-1's were sort of like articulated Locomotives. Kind of like the Union PAcific Big Boys. The body was solid though. It could handle the same types of curves a steamer with 3 powered axles could, if not better.But the curves it could take were more limited than a switcher, definately. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 15:23:35 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by WillD on Fri Mar 7 23:49:12 2008. You imbecil, the AEM7s were built by EMD.The GG-1s trucks DID develop cracks, which is inevitable. Had they been built more cheaply, they would have failed sooner. Imagine all the pounding those GG-1s went through. Not to mention AEM-7s are far lighter, which puts less stress on trucks and rails. I won't argue that their light weight is an improvement over the GG-1s to an extent. That said, they are puppied, and many were remanufactured ten years ago, 20 years after the first started to arrive. They didn't go through anything like the GG-1s did. Welded rails have been around for a while now, and the NEC has had it for probably 25 years. Also, you may be confusing the ALP-44s with the AEM-7s. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Sat Mar 8 15:25:57 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 8 14:48:38 2008. 4800 and 4935 are both t the museum.   Also, 4859 is on display at the Harrisburg Amtrak station. 4859 was the first GG1 to run to Harrisburg when the Main Line electrification was completed.  
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 15:28:18 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by trainsarefun on Fri Mar 7 23:57:36 2008. remember the recent wreck on Amtrack where a train ran into a standing freight at 35 miles or so? Did you see any buckled cars or crumpling of the cars? no. Only a damaged loco. were there any deaths? no. Why? because the human body CAN take a beating, but it can't stand the force of a train buckling in on itself.Such a wreck on euro and jap cars would probably end in a few deaths, especially for some people in the first car "crush zone". |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 15:31:27 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by chuchubob on Sat Mar 8 15:25:57 2008. Nice photos. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 16:07:21 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 15:28:18 2008. Can you identify the collision that you spoke of more specifically? I can't recall it, offhand.This collision caused by a 5800 ton BNSF train pulled by three locomotives that disobeyed two straight signals, colliding head-on at 25-30 mph with a Metrolink train operating in push mode with 3 cars. 2 passengers were killed, and 22 other passengers were seriously injured. The two fatalities were caused by the fragility of the human body on impact with hard surfaces. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Mar 8 16:31:29 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 15:23:35 2008. the AEM7s were built by EMD.Sure, from an ASEA design using components from Sweden, Austria and Budd carbodies. Despite their assembly in LaGrange they are a European design, based on the Swedish Rc4 locomotive, which enjoyed widespread export sales success. Not to mention AEM-7s are far lighter, which puts less stress on trucks and rails. I won't argue that their light weight is an improvement over the GG-1s to an extent. He can be taught! That said, they are puppied, and many were remanufactured ten years ago, 20 years after the first started to arrive. They didn't go through anything like the GG-1s did. The GG1s were rebuilt what, 15 years after they arrived and were taken out by a snowstorm? Welded rails have been around for a while now, and the NEC has had it for probably 25 years. Try 10 to 15 years tops. I was out here in 1996 and remember seeing bolted rail on parts of the NEC. Also, you may be confusing the ALP-44s with the AEM-7s. They're functionally the same locomotive. Had Amtrak ordered a "AEM7" in the late 1980s after the 950s came in they would have recieved an ALP44-like locomotive. The Rc5, '6, and '7 all use the same basic design as the ALP44, and they're descended from the Rc4, just like the AEM7. The big difference between the two was that because the ALP44 used no federal funding it could be assembled completely in Sweden from components made in Austria and Sweden. The AEM7, because it was an Amtrak locomotive being purchased with federal funds, had to have 51% of the work done here, hence EMD and Budd doing the assembly and carbody work. Other than that the only difference is the 100mph limit Amtrak placed on the ALP44s, which mostly exists because NJT just doesn't care to have it removed. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 16:38:03 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 16:07:21 2008. HEh, i am against operating push mode on lines that have 5800 ton freight trains. Had the loco been up front like in the amtrak crash i speak of, there would be no fatalities. Then again, what if it hit the train from the rear. The cars were stuck in place due to the loco holding them in back. Had these cars been softer, there would be more casualties, due to the "energy absorbing" crush zone BS you keep pushing.Also, the best thing would be to prevent the accident in the first place. It is a very hard to save lives in a train wreck, and at higher speeds, death is inevitable, no matter how soft or hard you make the cars. May we agree on that? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 8 16:47:59 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 16:38:03 2008. "HEh, i am against operating push mode on lines that have 5800 ton freight trains. Had the loco been up front like in the amtrak crash i speak of, there would be no fatalities"Except the crewin the locomotive, but they don't count in your eyes any more than the passengers do. "Had these cars been softer, there would be more casualties" What does "softer" mean? Did you read the NTSB report of the accident? Do you know where and how the passengers died? Do you know anything at all besides your foaming? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 8 16:52:14 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 16:38:03 2008. Look, energy and momentum are conserved - it's not my rule, it's how things work. There is a huge amount of energy transfer going on during a collision, and human beings don't withstand that kind of energy transfer very well at all. i am against operating push mode on lines that have 5800 ton freight trains. The accident in question could have perhaps been prevented with a more complex signal system. The crew of the BNSF jumped off the train after engaging emergency braking, so I don't think they shared your confidence. Also, the best thing would be to prevent the accident in the first place. Definitely. |
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Posted by timz2 on Sat Mar 8 19:28:46 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by WillD on Sat Mar 8 16:31:29 2008. "Welded rails have been around for a while now, and the NEC has had it for probably 25 years.""Try 10 to 15 years tops. I was out here in 1996 and remember seeing bolted rail on parts of the NEC." On the NH, or Hell Gate line, you mean? I suspect Metroliners always had two CWR tracks to run on, west of NY. (Outside of terminal areas, that is.) Offhand I'm guessing Newark-Phila had four CWR mains by the early or mid 1980s. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 19:38:22 2008, in response to Re: NEC welded rail, posted by timz2 on Sat Mar 8 19:28:46 2008. Maybe parts of the NEC, yes.some parts of PATH still have jointed rail for some distances as well, but for the most part it is welde rail. Welded rail has been used since the 50's and earlier. its just that with the baby boom came the railroad crash. BTW, i have read of steamers coasting at 105+ miles an hour over jointed rail without a sweat. older cars and locos were more durable ,in that sense, than newer cars. NEC has been welded for a long time now. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 19:58:12 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by WillD on Sat Mar 8 16:31:29 2008. Guy, the things are hard to compare.GG-1's were not rebuilt after 15 years, and they weren't "knocked out" by a snowstorm. It was a simple design flaw which was easily addressed. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Mar 8 20:57:21 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 19:58:12 2008. Guy, the things are hard to compare.Then why did you start comparing them? GG-1's were not rebuilt after 15 years, and they weren't "knocked out" by a snowstorm. Fine, it was 20 years after they were built, in 1958. The PRR had to cut trains up and down the NEC and shift P5s from freight service to passenger service to make up for the sidelined GG1s. That is the exact same situation as when more than 50% of the HHP-8s were out of service. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 21:11:12 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by WillD on Sat Mar 8 20:57:21 2008. They had to reposition the intakes, not a "rebuild".It was a slight design flaw which was revealed in a strange circumstance, not a major mechanical problem. Why can't you accept the fact that the GG-1s were WELL BUILT, which is why they are legendary. Not onlly were they reliable, and tough, they were also sleek and distinct. This is why nobody cares about the idiotically designed E-60's, because they were mechanically JUNK from the assembly line. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 8 21:27:00 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 21:11:12 2008. The GG-1s were well-built, but that doesn't mean they didn't have problems. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 21:36:43 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by RonInBayside on Sat Mar 8 21:27:00 2008. OK, Ron, a reasonable post, and i don't feel that BAD attitude.That said and over with, i AGREE with you. Every machine tends to have its own problems, and it is eventually inevitable that problems will arise, and maintance should take place. Every machine would eventually break down without naintanence, as none are perfect. I will go as far as to say the GG-1's were NOT perfect. Definately better than the e-60's that were supposed to replace them but didn't due to problems. That said, some machines are BETTER than others (of course some liberals might say every machine is equal, and that a serial killer must be preserved and served in a brand new prison- a topic for another post). I am not trying to say GG-1s were perfect, i am saying they were built pretty damn well. And you agree, as i can read. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Mar 8 21:46:34 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 21:11:12 2008. The GG1s were excellent, I do not mean to impugn them. However, the AEM7s and ALPs are more than worthy successors for the PRR's electrics.This is why nobody cares about the idiotically designed E-60's, because they were mechanically JUNK from the assembly line. It is worth noting that those were designed and built by Americans at GE, and they were simply misused. The E60CF has given a very good account of itself with the Black Mesa and Lake Powell and Navajo Mine railroads. The E60 simply wasn't a high speed locomotive, but once it ceded that role to the AEM7s and settled into hauling Long Distance services between Philadelphia and DC up to NY it did a decent job. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sat Mar 8 22:01:53 2008, in response to Re: my father is a GG1 fan ( prr 30s to 55' ), posted by WillD on Sat Mar 8 21:46:34 2008. Well, i overreacted about the E-60's, they really are designed for slow, heavy freight, with their heavy weight and all. They did a good job at wearing down rails supposedly, and couldn't go above 90 or 100 miles in the first place because they were so unstable. Not to mention they only lasted 20 years or so in passenger service, didn't they? |
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