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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Nov 9 06:39:05 2007, in response to SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Nov 9 06:12:07 2007. Got You Covered |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Nov 9 07:26:02 2007, in response to SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Nov 9 06:12:07 2007. Woot! It's about time that Staten Islanders have had it! Maybe we'll see some actions made out of the SI Public Hearing. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Nov 9 07:27:55 2007, in response to SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Nov 9 06:12:07 2007. Free trains, luxury motor coaches, free boat rides, they don't have any right to bitch |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Nov 9 07:32:45 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Nov 9 07:27:55 2007. STFU already.. If you're going to talk, at least bring some actual points up.SIR is not free...90% of the ridership is at St George where you have to pay Express buses are $5 are dishing out 2+ hour rides from SI to NYC And the boat is free because of the THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND NOT THE MTA |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri Nov 9 08:01:03 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Nov 9 07:32:45 2007. And not to mention traffic congestion due to people like me who like to drive to NJ on the weekends and go through SI to get there... If only we could get a tunnel that connects Queens to NJ running deep under Manhattan as a bypass ;-) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Nov 9 08:02:10 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Nov 9 07:32:45 2007. LOL |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Nov 9 08:52:05 2007, in response to SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Nov 9 06:12:07 2007. They bitch about getting free train rides???? 25 cent increase in the express bus fare of $5??????? Give me a freaking break. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Nov 9 09:45:05 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Nov 9 08:52:05 2007. That's why it's called SATAN Island. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Nov 9 11:16:10 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Nov 9 08:52:05 2007. Nobody ever wants a fare increase - that is rule number 1.Politicians really do not like to ask for fare increases, but sometimes they are needed and necessary - that is rule number 2. Yes, the subways and buses have improved over the decades - and yes some of same hassles are still around (crowded trains, late buses, long commutes, etc). Staten Islanders just like many other residents will complain about transit if given half of a chance, but then on Staten Island there not that many alternatives of service (no direct to Manhattan trains, etc). While some may say that there are different agencies involved in the transportation picture of Staten Island (a true statement) it is the coordination of those agencies that can help make problems worse. (For example take the construction work on the V-N Bridge which is vexing and frustrating many drivers, bus riders, etc. - a tough coordination problem with the various projects.) Waiting 30 and 60 minutes on a regular basis for a bus, a ferry, or the SIRT is bound to make folks unhappy - especially when you have just missed your connection. A two-hour trip on an "express" bus is probably not a picnic especially when you know that your co-workers are home already. So there are issues to complain about. Mike |
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Posted by Dan on Fri Nov 9 13:11:11 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Nov 9 07:27:55 2007. I'll say it again. No elected official or community group on Staten Island ever wanted the "free" SIR or "free" SI Ferry. The MTA eliminated the fare collectors in 1997 and couldn't or wouldn't install weather-resistant Metrocard equipment at the SIR stations.The NYCDOT elimated the ferry fare for similar reasons. It didn't want to spend the money to install Metrocard readers at the St. George and Whitehall ferry terminals. Community groups along the SIR have been demanding the return of fare collection for 10 years. Possibly with the contactless Metrocard fare collections will resume in the future. All express bus routes in every borough are served by similar "luxury motor coaches". |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Nov 9 14:05:59 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Nov 9 08:52:05 2007. WTF people!THE SIR IS FREE BY CIRCUMSTANCE..SI RESIDENTS WANT THE FARE TO COME BACK! 90% OF THE RIDERSHIP ON THE SIR IS PASSING THROUGH ST GEORGE! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Nov 9 14:37:20 2007, in response to SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Nov 9 06:12:07 2007.   I would think a 1 train or SAS extension to SI is something that really needs to be explored in the future. Yeah, and *I* think we should explore Saturn's third ring for signs of the (8) train. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Nov 9 14:41:18 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Nov 9 07:27:55 2007. Free trains, luxury motor coaches, free boat rides, they don't have any right to bitch The trains are NOT free, you just have to pay at a different place. Yes the boat is free, but then you have to PAY for another train when you get to the other side. |
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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Fri Nov 9 16:05:30 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Nov 9 14:05:59 2007. And Tompskinville....... |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Nov 9 18:27:08 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Pablo M 201 on Fri Nov 9 16:05:30 2007. Lol! The MTA knows about that whole issue though...but I'm guessing that they see more important things to care of then rebuilding and fare-zoning Tompkinsville. As soon as they do they build some turnstiles at Tompkinsville, we'll probably find out that even more people are passing through Tompkinsville than St. George itself. |
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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Fri Nov 9 18:38:32 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Fri Nov 9 18:27:08 2007. Then watch the numbers at Stapleton. But that'll mean ppl will really have to run if they want the connecting train from the ferry. But I'll have to try Stapleton myself. I barely made connections getting on/off at Tompkinsville..... |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sat Nov 10 00:19:57 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Nov 9 07:27:55 2007. Hmm...the only borough without direct rail access to the CBD. I think that may have something to do with their sentiment. And on SI (as well as other isolated areas of the city) the express bus is a necessity, not a luxury. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Nov 10 00:37:08 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Forest Glen on Sat Nov 10 00:19:57 2007. The closest connection would be to Brooklyn, but that would take them away from the more desired manahttan destination.The SIRT would have a better chance being connected to NJ than Manhattan. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Nov 10 00:39:17 2007, in response to SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Nov 9 06:12:07 2007. That would require conversions of all the SIRT stops to be IRT width and length compatable, not to mention screw up the 1 line's headways w/a 5mi long tunnel where god knows what could go wrong should there be a power outage stranding the riders miles away from either Manahttan or SI. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Nov 10 00:57:33 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Forest Glen on Sat Nov 10 00:19:57 2007. If I live in a neighborhood full of five star restaurants, then should I expect them to offer McDonalds-like prices? SIers choose to live at the ass end of NYC, why do they expect the MTA to treat them like Brooklyn residents? Mineola is closer to Midtown than most of SI, yet riders on the LIRR pay 165% more than SI customers. |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Sat Nov 10 01:05:58 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by WillD on Sat Nov 10 00:57:33 2007. SIers choose to live at the ass end of NYC..No, they're middle class people who were priced out of the city due to the influx of luxury condos. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 10 01:15:44 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by WillD on Sat Nov 10 00:57:33 2007. Mineola is closer to Midtown than most of SI, yet riders on the LIRR pay 165% more than SI customersMineola ain't within city limits. Look at how close Weehawken and Union City are to Midtown, and there ain't no direct train there. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sat Nov 10 02:42:12 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Nov 10 00:39:17 2007. BART did a long Transbay tube in the early 70s. It can happen here. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Sat Nov 10 02:43:09 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Pablo M 201 on Fri Nov 9 18:38:32 2007. Then when Stapleton starts collecting fares, Clifton will be next... |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Nov 10 02:55:44 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by R42 4787 on Sat Nov 10 02:42:12 2007. Well yeah but don't they charge by distance? Such a tunnel from SI to Manhattan would have to be a seperate fare wouldn't it? Especially 5 miles.Also it should be the SIRT that is extended using the R44's [8-car train shuttle] to connect to Manhattan rather than the 1 going down there. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Nov 10 02:57:21 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Forest Glen on Sat Nov 10 01:05:58 2007. Priced out of Manhattan, but what about the slowly gentrifying areas in the Bronx or Brooklyn? |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Nov 10 04:13:09 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Nov 9 14:41:18 2007. >>Yes the boat is free, but then you have to PAY for another train when you get to the other side.<<That's not true. If you pay for the SIR at St. George, there is a FREE transfer to the subway on the Manhattan side. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Nov 10 04:17:42 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Forest Glen on Sat Nov 10 01:05:58 2007. No, they're middle class people who wanted to run away from the so-called "poor" people of Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 10 10:52:38 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Forest Glen on Sat Nov 10 00:19:57 2007. THAT is easy to fix. Just add St. George to the CBD and bingo! you have access.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 10 10:56:39 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Nov 10 02:55:44 2007. BART was built by sinking the tunnel to the bay floor. If an earthquake happens, the tunnel may shift, but it should not be damaged.I thought about the same sort of tunnel vis a vis SF-StG but others here nixed the idea saying that parts of the bay are too shallow to allow for both tunnel and loaded ship movements. The LION does not *know* about that, but thus is what he was told. ROAR |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Nov 10 12:35:09 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Nov 10 02:55:44 2007. If such a tunnel were created, I would truly hope that the trains do not run at 30 and 60 minute intervals. The schedule and frequency of trips actually matter to people.In 1975 (before the city's fiscal crisis) when the ferries ran once every 20 minutes during the day and evening times and weekends, at 10 and 15 minutes during the rush hours, and once every 30 minutes during the midnight hours --- I'm sure that the complaints of the riders about the schedule were much less. Now in the year 2007, the best that they (DOT) can do is a boat every 15 minutes rush hours, a boat every 30 minutes (day, evening, weekends), and a boat every 60 minutes (midnight hours, evenings on weekends, and early weekend mornings). Mike |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 10 14:26:52 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Michael549 on Sat Nov 10 12:35:09 2007. What us Staten Islanders need is a replacement to the ferry. The ferry has become the root of all the problems.It is because of the ferry that the express bus system was developed because people don't want to deal with the stress of riding the SIR/Bus to the ferry...then waiting for the ferry and sitting on the ferry for 30+ minutes and then having to get off and make another transfer to the subway system. The ferry is the reason why many people don't want to move to SI or even visit SI. The ferry was a good idea during it's hey-day but now it has become a burden as the SI population has grown immensely and STILL has great potential to grow even further. What we need is to be put on the map...and the map I'm talking about is the MTA Subway Map. If the SIR was to be extended, that would require plenty of work as the line would have to dip into a tunnel before Tompkinsville, so that means Tompkinsville would have to be rebuilt underground along with St. George and then new infrastructure would have to be built in Manhattan. My proposal is simple. Just extend the already deep (1) train at South Ferry Terminal under the NY Harbor. On the SI-side, a PATH Exchange Place-type deep-level station could be built at St. George underneath Bay Street heading towards Tompkinsville. Then the SIR line could simply be left as-is, a new bus terminal could be built (that's already due), while the ferry terminal could be left for other usage or demolished. By then, the third or possibly fourth SI bus depot would have been built so they could easily add plenty of extra bus services along the existing routes as there would then be a constant flow of traffic moving to/from SI and Manhattan. I know that this plan is immediately shot down by some here but remember that if you build it, they will come. That's exactly what happened to the other boroughs, so this extension would possibly be very worthwhile in the long run for SI's growth. Of course the primary issues with this is costs as well as the funneling of all SI passengers to the (1) line and only the (1) line to to/from Manhattan. I would then expect the line to become rather crowded from the south end of the line as well (example: St. George would have 40,000 riders from the North Shore buses daily, 15,000 riders from the SIR mainline daily, 1,500 people walking daily, 300 cars parked, 14,000 from South Shore buses daily, and 18,000 from Mid-Island buses daily..these are rough estimate figures from some report a few years back on the SIR North Shore Line) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 10 15:40:05 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 10 14:26:52 2007. My proposal is simple. Just extend the already deep (1) train at South Ferry Terminal under the NY Harbor. On the SI-side, a PATH Exchange Place-type deep-level station could be built at St. George underneath Bay Street heading towards Tompkinsville. Then the SIR line could simply be left as-is, a new bus terminal could be built (that's already due), while the ferry terminal could be left for other usage or demolished.Of course the primary issues with this is costs as well as the funneling of all SI passengers to the (1) line and only the (1) line to to/from Manhattan. I would then expect the line to become rather crowded from the south end of the line as well (example: St. George would have 40,000 riders from the North Shore buses daily, 15,000 riders from the SIR mainline daily, 1,500 people walking daily, 300 cars parked, 14,000 from South Shore buses daily, and 18,000 from Mid-Island buses daily..these are rough estimate figures from some report a few years back on the SIR North Shore Line) Express bus passenger-miles aren't cheap, and that's a very vaild point. But sending the West Side IRT local to SI is a strange move, since it would have to create a difficulty by introducing much longer station spacing south of South Ferry. Why do you think that SI requires the frequency-of-service supplied by the 1 route? |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 10 15:45:24 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Pablo M 201 on Fri Nov 9 18:38:32 2007. The walk from Stapleton is too long. It takes a few minutes on the S51 and S76 so it'll definitely be a long walk.Stapleton doesn't have enough ridership regardless..and it's entrances are so secluded to the side streets, it's not worth it. The rest of the SIR doesn't need to be fare-zoned until it's extended to Manhattan or there's a subway line that is connected somewhere along the line. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Nov 10 15:46:25 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Pablo M 201 on Fri Nov 9 18:38:32 2007. After Stapleton closes, everyone will use the new Denver International station. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 10 16:56:59 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 10 15:40:05 2007. I see that you've read me wrong and I see your not looking to delve in to the actual benefits and potential changes of it all.My proposal only involved sending the (1) line to St. George and that's where it would terminate, with the possibility of further extensions. Why do you think that SI requires the frequency-of-service supplied by the 1 route? The above answer can easily answer your question above but the can as well. During a typical morning rush hour on SI, you have thousands walking to the ferry, the SIR local and express trains dumping off hundreds upon hundreds of riders every 10-15 minutes, plenty of cabs heading to the ferry, hundreds of cars parked in the area to then head to the ferry, and then the S40, S42, S44, S46, S48, S51, S52, S61, S62, S66, S67, S74, S76, S78, S81, S84, S86, S90, S91, S92, S94, S96 and S98 all pulling up to the bus terminal at St. George every few minutes, with most buses packed front to back with riders. (Afternoon Rush Hour at Whitehall Terminal) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGlxUdnYtEc The express bus network is currently dying a slow death as the ever-increasing traffic is devouring it and dishing out 2-4 hour commutes to/from SI and Manhattan. People are looking for other alternatives but there's simply not enough. Why do you think the SIR had the second highest ridership increase this year and the past year in the entire nation? It's because more options were introduced and in this case was more frequent local and express service on the SIR. If you build it..or in this case, implement it..they will come. If they were to extend the (1) to at least St. George, then plenty of improvements and changes would piggy-back and reflect off of that. There would be a more steady flow of riders between the CBD/NYC and SI because there would be no need to transfer to/from the SI Ferry, which would thus allow for more frequent service on the SI bus routes and SIR mainline. Then people wouldn't mind getting out of their cars, get off their slow express buses and start using this new commute. And from all of that, then more people would then look to SI when in search of a new residency. SI is currently at a point where it's development is stagnated. Housing costs are going down across SI because of the recent commuting issues and will only continue to go down as the MTA doesn't take an action soon. The Mayor and SI B.P. and many people are now looking towards Staten Island's North Shore Waterfront as a prime location for development and re-zoning..a la Pavonia-Newport/Jersey City or LIC. The task at hand is known as "Staten Island Downtown". A subway extension would only accelerate development across the borough let alone "SI Downtown". |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Nov 10 17:20:57 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 10 16:56:59 2007. I see that you've read me wrong and I see your not looking to delve in to the actual benefits and potential changes of it all.My proposal only involved sending the (1) line to St. George and that's where it would terminate, with the possibility of further extensions. Thanks for clarifying, but my intention certainly wasn't to mischracterize your proposal; I do think, however, that as stated in your previous post, it's somewhat vague that the present West Side IRT Local Line would terminate at St. George (or thereabout). If you build it..or in this case, implement it..they will come. Perhaps. I tend to think so, but in the case of SI, do SIers want more people to come? Certainly the character of SI would change with a direct rail link to NY. You're clearly aware of this, such as when you write, "And from all of that, then more people would then look to SI when in search of a new residency. SI is currently at a point where it's development is stagnated. Housing costs are going down across SI because of the recent commuting issues and will only continue to go down...." More fundamentally, though, how does your proposal stack up against some others mentioned here, such as extension to NJ, and after that, extension to a new Lower Manhattan terminal meeting up with LIRR's Atlantic Branch from the east and NJT's Hoboken Division services from the west? Why should SI get an express ride to Lower Manhattan that's not integrated with a more regional vision? |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Nov 10 18:32:24 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 10 10:56:39 2007. The cost of a tunnel to SI with its few residents is prohibitive. MTA plans are for Long Island connections to Grand Central. RR plans are to have tunnels built from New Jersey to a central yard in Brooklyn. Arch Street yard was built in anticipation of connection which will not be made for another five years. When LIRR/MNCR contracts end, we may be servicing NJT and AmTrak on a month-to-month leasing basis as LIRR does not want shop to be unoccupied. when time comes, I will have plenty of options.....moves to LIRR or MNCR as M7/M7a or Alstom in Port Morris (near my estate) as examples IF Bombardier does not keep me local.MTA SIR is unusual.....it runs subway cars but is railroad....FRA rules govern fifteen miles of track. Union is ATU and not TWU 100...they will never give up their freedom and probably never get pay parity. Verrazano Narrows bridge was primarily designed for truck commerce...secondary benefit was to SI residents. It could have had rail tracks with another ancillary bridge connecting to New Jersey but grade is far too steep for heavy freight...very reason for constructing new tunnels. Elais: 'All Saints Day' was not easy for me. I served. RRCI Peter |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 10 18:43:18 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Pablo M 201 on Fri Nov 9 18:38:32 2007. Nope. Too far, as others have stated. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Nov 10 20:00:58 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 10 14:26:52 2007. 1. If any line was extended to SI, it would run via brooklyn. Going via brooklyn would likely be significantly easier to build.2. If any line was extended to SI, it would likely not be the 1 line. Even though the 1 isnt likely to be overcapacity in SI, there is no reason to extend an IRT line when you could get a much higher potential capacity extending a B division line. The SAS will have a TBM digging in roughly the right direction when it reaches Hannover Square. It would likely be a smarter line to extend. 3. There is NO REASON WHATSOEVER not to connect the line to the existing SIR system. It would likely also make sense to connect the line to the north shore line, so that a decent sized portion of Staten Island would have direct service to manhattan. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Nov 10 21:14:27 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Nov 9 14:37:20 2007. I detect sarcasm and pessimism! :-) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Nov 10 21:14:32 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Forest Glen on Sat Nov 10 01:05:58 2007. I highly doubt that. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 10 21:26:47 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by R30A on Sat Nov 10 20:00:58 2007. IT TAKES TOO LONG FOR THE TRAIN TO GO THROUGH BROOKLYN,Unless you build a new ROW for it to travel on. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 10 21:36:53 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Nov 10 21:14:27 2007. Your sarcasm detector seems to be working perfectly!Pessimism? Nah. A Pessimist must have something to work with. That there is no life on Mercury is not being pessimistic, it is being realistic. No Subway to SI is being realistic. LRVs I'll give you, but subways, no. ROAR |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Nov 10 21:37:58 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 10 21:26:47 2007. Yes, but it isn't easy to build a 5mi tunnel from SI to Manhattan. Plus it isn't going to be benificial unless it was a premium cost for riders to use such a connection. |
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Posted by Russ on Sat Nov 10 21:42:25 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 10 21:26:47 2007. 5 minutes longer? The cost to build a Manhattan - Staten Island tunnel will probably be extremely expensive, and the existing tax base on Staten Island does not make that a great business decision.As I see it, lets get a tunnel from Brooklyn's 4th Ave line to St. George, and then make the SIR part of the subway system. If that proves successful, Staten Island will see less traffic on their roads, and development will be more tolerable. If St. George develops into a CBD, and the borough is looking at a million residents, then an additional tunnel that goes from Manhattan to Staten Island (perhaps with a stop at Governors Island) will be something that has a better chance of happening. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Nov 10 21:59:33 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 10 21:36:53 2007. By "pessimism", I was refering to your comment in response to the # 1 train or SAS being extended to Staten Island. But then again, you are right. "Realistic" is the better description. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Nov 10 22:00:07 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sat Nov 10 15:45:24 2007. Or charge the standard $2 and an extra fare to continue outside of SI. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Nov 10 22:13:30 2007, in response to Re: SI residents on MTA Fare Hike, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Nov 10 21:26:47 2007. Of course a new line would be needed. Perhaps build subway tracks under a newly sunk Gowanus. |
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