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Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Sep 9 02:35:30 2007 I happened to be at Ozone Park - Lefferts Boulevard the other night while they were cutting trains for the late-night shuttle service.I noticed that the train displayed a yellow (S) on its end. Is this normal for that shuttle, because it's the only (S) available on the R-44? Or did this T/O in particular just not care to look for any other (S)'s? |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 9 02:41:28 2007, in response to Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Sep 9 02:35:30 2007. The yellow (S) is is the sign they use every midnight. I'm sure if the line super wanted a different color used, it would have been mandated long ago. Perhaps the yellow (S) is closer in the roll sign to the A than the black and white (S)? |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Sep 9 02:43:58 2007, in response to Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Sep 9 02:35:30 2007. I might be wrong, but I believe that the yellow (S) is used to eliminate confusion between the Lefferts shuttle and the Rockaway shuttle. |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by lionlexx on Sun Sep 9 02:47:37 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Sep 9 02:43:58 2007. Thats what I heard too, even though they don't meet up with each other unless theres some type of cold weather plan. like the one we had a few years ago when they ran 8 cars on the Rock Park Shuttle to Euclid |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Sep 9 03:50:02 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Sep 9 02:43:58 2007. It's a possible reason, but unlikely. The electronic side signs say where the train is going.It's no different from having the two separate (A) services: one to Ozone Park, and one to Far Rockaway. Both have the same blue (A), and both are only distinguishable from the other by what its destination signs read. Plus, the two shuttles usually never meet up. I'm gonna go with what Bill says in that the yellow (S) is closer to the blue (A) than the grey (S) is. But isn't there a blue (S) as well? The maps used to show the Rockaway Park (S) as being blue. |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 9 05:14:55 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Sep 9 03:50:02 2007. There have been many iterations of Rockaway service over the years. I was born in Far Rock, spent my childhood in Far rock, and I moved back to the Far Rock last year when I had a chance to snap up one of the many new apartments being built here. Of course, in the '60s and '70s, the A train was the sole province of R-10s. I remember riding the HH shuttle (R-1/9s, the E train to Far Rock (R-1/9s, later R-40 Slants), then in the late 70s the CC local did the Rock Park service (R-10s). The shuttles to Rock Park became more interesting in the late '70s and during the '80s. There was a blue H train (although I don't recall ever seeing a blue H end sign, it was blue on the map), and there was the late night Rockaway Round Robin with its circuitous route covering the entire peninsula. AFAIK, there was never a blue S end sign used on equipment assigned to Rockaway.Nowadays, though, rush hour drives me crazy. There are three different A services, (Far Rock, Lefferts, Rock Park) and if you are trying to get to Far Rock from, say, Broadway Nassau, you might have to wait through four trains (A-Rock Park, C, A-Lefferts, C) before the train that goes to Far Rock arrives...plus the Rock Park shuttle is a full time service, so it runs even during the rush... |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Sun Sep 9 08:54:04 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Sep 9 03:50:02 2007. I'm pretty sure the 44 rollsigns have a blue, grey, orange and yellow S. It OBVIOUSLY has a grey one since that's what the Rockaway Shuttle uses. It was yellow the one time I rode it back in 2005.The 2002-04 Grand St Shuttle also used the yellow S. |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Sun Sep 9 08:57:24 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 9 05:14:55 2007. which is why Rush hour is the absolute worst time to ride the Rockaway Shuttle in the reverse peak direction. They keep the shuttle running because all of the 's are put-ins or layups at the B116 yard, so only the shuttle can provide service in the opposite direction, but customers are getting HALF the usual slots during that time. I experienced this effect during one of my ultimate rides, which is why I now swear by starting these trips at B116 to kill off the Rockaways in half the time. |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by Zman179 on Sun Sep 9 09:15:22 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 9 02:41:28 2007. Perhaps the yellow (S) is closer in the roll sign to the A than the black and white (S)?That's EXACTLY why the T/O's use the yellow S. |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Sep 9 09:25:17 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 9 05:14:55 2007. There was a blue H train (although I don't recall ever seeing a blue H end sign, it was blue on the map), and there was the late night Rockaway Round Robin with its circuitous route covering the entire peninsula. 
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Sep 9 09:29:36 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by checkthedoorlight on Sun Sep 9 08:54:04 2007. The 2002-04 Grand St Shuttle also used the yellow S.They usually showed the gray S, although I've seen other colors as well. |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 9 10:16:24 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Sep 9 09:25:17 2007. I stand corrected! Very cool. Now I know I should have stayed up at night back then...lol! |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 9 10:26:21 2007, in response to Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Sep 9 02:35:30 2007. This shuttle normally uses a yellow S all the time. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Sep 9 11:04:45 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 9 10:16:24 2007. OTOH, I could only find one pic on nycsubway.org showing a blue S (with another train showing a gray S). I guess it wasn't common but I rarely ventured past Howard Beach in the mid to late nineties so I'm not sure.
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Sep 9 16:58:30 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Sep 9 03:50:02 2007. Yes there are blue (S) why they aren't used is another question. And I had no idea the yellow S was for the Lefferts segment and just a color used for the Broadway line. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Sep 9 18:24:58 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Sep 9 11:04:45 2007. Thanks for borrowing one of my images. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Sep 9 18:26:25 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Sep 9 11:04:45 2007. Thanks for borrowing one of my images.The Blue S was the Shuttle running from Far Rock to Rockaway Blvd as I think there was an A line GO forcing all A trains to go to Lefferts Blvd only. |
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Posted by Gerry6309 on Sun Sep 9 18:31:17 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Sep 9 10:26:21 2007. Sort of brings it back to its BMT roots. :) Broadway (Yellow) is about the most difficult physical connection from Lefferts though. You once could get a train there from Broadway (Brown), though - years before the colors came into use. |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by Zman179 on Sun Sep 9 19:18:34 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Sep 9 16:58:30 2007. Yes there are blue (S) why they aren't used is another question. And I had no idea the yellow S was for the Lefferts segment and just a color used for the Broadway line.The blue S is only available on the newer signs. Also, the yellow S is not expressly (or shuttlely if you wish) used for the Lefferts Shuttle. The only reason why it is used is because it is the first S that is encountered when rolling the end sign. If the grey S was closer to the A than the yellow S, then the grey sign would be used. |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Sep 9 21:30:48 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Sep 9 05:14:55 2007. I been out in Far Rock all my life and remember seeing the blue (H) in the early 90s. After that the gray (S) was used. I seen (H)s pop up during GOs like the one when trains ran between Mott and Howard Beach over 10 yrs ago. The last time I've been on an (H) train was in '98 headed towards Euclid on an R32 or R38. It was when summer time shuttles ran between Rock Park and Euclid. |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by FarRock on Sun Sep 9 21:33:48 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Sep 9 11:04:45 2007. I remember seeing that blue (S) during that GO. The map used to have a blue (S) but it was rarely used. Sometimes the TOs move the rollsign to other color (S)s instead of gray, they even use "Shuttle", but for some reason I never seen a blue (S) on the regular Rock Park shuttle. |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Sep 10 07:20:49 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by Zman179 on Sun Sep 9 09:15:22 2007. (A) is at position #2.Yellow (S) is at #9. Orange (S) is at #19. Gray (S) is all the way at #26. I suppose that as long as it shows (S), it doesn't matter what color the circle is. |
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Posted by Fytton on Mon Sep 10 07:29:27 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Sep 10 07:20:49 2007. 'I suppose that as long as it shows (S), it doesn't matter what color the circle is'Does anyone riding to or from Lefferts in the middle of the night care what color the bullet is (except railfans, of course)? |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Sep 10 12:11:52 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Sep 9 18:26:25 2007. That explains the unusual blue S. Thanks. |
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Posted by MJF on Mon Sep 10 22:12:25 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Sep 9 02:41:28 2007. The yellow S is at the request of the T/D. He said it would eliminate any confusion with it being the Rock Park shuttle.I don't make this up. I just report it. |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Sep 10 22:21:33 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by MJF on Mon Sep 10 22:12:25 2007. You report, we decide. :)Didn't know they did that. Ah, for the days when *all* shuttles had a green background and that was that. Heh. |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Tue Sep 11 01:26:47 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by Fytton on Mon Sep 10 07:29:27 2007. Only railfans care, I agree. :-) |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Tue Sep 11 01:46:15 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Sep 9 03:50:02 2007. www.njnyrails still uses the blue (S) for the Rockaway Park Shuttle and shows it going to Euclid Avenue. |
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Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Tue Sep 11 02:15:02 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by Gerry6309 on Sun Sep 9 18:31:17 2007. Route 13 Fulton Street. C Cars from Park Row to Lefferts Avenue. :-) |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Sep 12 16:47:57 2007, in response to Re: Lefferts Boulevard (S) Shuttle, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Sep 10 12:11:52 2007. np. |
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