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Posted by BEDT26 on Tue Sep 4 10:54:57 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Sep 4 10:25:28 2007. I will thanks. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 4 12:53:10 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by BEDT26 on Tue Sep 4 09:56:46 2007. No, the teal-and-white racing stripe scheme used from 1966 to 1968, very similar to the original paint job on the WF R-36s. It's my personal favorite. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 4 12:53:35 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Sep 4 10:01:44 2007. That's the one. Ouchie! |
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Posted by BEDT26 on Tue Sep 4 13:17:40 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 4 12:53:10 2007. Gotcha!, That's a nice one, but it's a bit too early scheme for me. :( |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Sep 4 13:20:52 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Sep 3 20:58:43 2007. I understand what you mean. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Tue Sep 4 13:21:52 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by monorail on Mon Sep 3 21:34:23 2007. The last I heard they haven't come up with a way to treat a broken heart. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 4 13:39:50 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by BEDT26 on Tue Sep 4 13:17:40 2007. It added an element of pizzazz to the fleet. There was something about seeing a train of racy-looking cars rip past 81st St. at about 50 mph. You saw a blur of teal and white. |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Sep 4 15:11:42 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by daDouce Man on Tue Sep 4 13:21:52 2007. duct tape, perhaps? |
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Posted by BEDT26 on Tue Sep 4 16:59:34 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 4 13:39:50 2007. Kool, LOL! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 4 18:27:46 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Aug 30 11:24:16 2007. Thanks. That's not exactly the way I remembered it but pretty close. I knew it said something unusual and not the usual "We thank blah blah blah for their cooperation." |
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Posted by murray1575 on Tue Sep 4 19:06:13 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by aem7ac on Wed Aug 29 21:19:32 2007. In the real world Pelham 123 would not normally go to South Ferry. It would of course go through the City Hall loop after terminating at Brooklyn Bridge. Late at night after the 5 stopped running, the 6 did cross over to the express tracks at Brooklyn Bridge and ran through to South Ferry stopping at the 1 (outer) platform. I am not sure when this service pattern ended but I would guess around 1980. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Wed Sep 5 00:54:31 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Sep 4 10:25:28 2007. Don't feel bad, that stuff gets me twisted too!!!Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Wed Sep 5 00:58:58 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by monorail on Tue Sep 4 09:25:20 2007. You are a good man Chuck....we allcould do well learning from you.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 5 08:37:50 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by murray1575 on Tue Sep 4 19:06:13 2007. 1977, at the same time all Lexington Ave. service to South Ferry ended. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 5 08:41:06 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 4 18:27:46 2007. Mr. Blue actually said, "Thank you for your cooperation," when power was restored and they were about to make their initial move from just north of 23rd St. to 17th ST. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Sep 5 09:32:20 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 5 08:37:50 2007. The movie was filmed in 1974. While the service pattern might not normally have taken Pelham 1-2-3 to South Ferry, the route and events depicted in the book and movie were very plausible and the TA could have routed a train in that manner for any number of valid reasons (and could still do it today). Since this is fiction, at the very worst the screen writer need only imagine some "GO" in effect.My point is that this detail hardly requires the kind of "suspension of disbelief" you have to accept with many thriller movies. |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Sep 5 10:05:04 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by jimmymc25 on Wed Sep 5 00:54:31 2007. ' that stuff gets me twisted too!!!'whatever gets you twisted is worthwhile |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 5 10:05:39 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 5 08:41:06 2007. It was actually a lie that the TA did not render any assistance. Don Harold was assigned full time for six months to supervise and watch the crew on Authority property. He told me this himself just after the movie was completed. Guess they were covering themselves against potential lawsuits if a train were to be hijacked. |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Sep 5 10:17:14 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 5 10:05:39 2007. 'Guess they were covering themselves against potential lawsuits if a train were to be hijacked'I think Don told me that the movie company had to get insurance for this |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Sep 5 11:08:27 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 5 10:05:39 2007. "Don Harold was assigned full time for six months to supervise and watch the crew on Authority property. He told me this himself just after the movie was completed. Guess they were covering themselves against potential lawsuits if a train were to be hijacked. "No, they were not afraid of a "hijack." The TA assigned personnel to supervise filming because the TA wanted to make sure filming was done safely, adhered to a contractual schedule and did not disrupt subway service. Also, the agency wanted to make sure TA facilities and equipment were used correctly. There is no doubt that the producers took out liability insurance and indemnified the TA ("hold the TA harmless") against any damage, disruption, injuries, complaints or lawsuits that might have occurred in connection with filming. |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Wed Sep 5 11:18:34 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Sep 5 11:08:27 2007. Ron, You're correct about insurance. It also took a little help from Mayor Lindsay, who actually was a subway fan. Altogether, we got a fine movie. |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Wed Sep 5 11:54:30 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Sep 5 09:32:20 2007. At one point, a person is heard saying the local doesn't run to South Ferry at this time of day. Pelham 123 (or 1323) would be created by having a Pelham 103 (or 1303) and 5 minute headways. Pelham 123 would become something like Brooklyn Bridge 214 (or 1414). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 5 12:03:51 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by E Line Fan on Wed Sep 5 11:54:30 2007. Even in the novel, this is mentioned: "Damned if I know. The Lex local doesn't even run there this time of day, they'll have to be switched at the bridge." |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Wed Sep 5 12:10:35 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 5 08:37:50 2007. And the South Ferry Inner Loop station was closed in 1977, surviving City Hall by 32 years and leaving only 145th Street-Lenox Avenue and for now South Ferry Outer Loop as short stations. |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Wed Sep 5 12:30:14 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by jimmymc25 on Wed Sep 5 00:58:58 2007. "Certainly, take the subway, it's the fastest and safest way." "'S Forty-Secon' Street?" |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Wed Sep 5 13:22:28 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by monorail on Tue Sep 4 15:11:42 2007. Nah, More, new and improved love, baby! :) |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Wed Sep 5 13:56:16 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 4 12:53:10 2007. The (A)'s R-10s in turquoise and ivory indeed was similar to the (7)'s R36 WFs in aquamarine and cream. Though the (A) is mostly underground, it did look cool when (A)s zipped through 86th Street. Still my two favorite color schemes personally. :) |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Wed Sep 5 15:52:18 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by jimmymc25 on Mon Sep 3 21:38:12 2007. Love is beautiful and it's what makes the world go round! Love can make one happy! Ah, What a beautiful world! :) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Sep 5 16:35:06 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by jimmymc25 on Wed Sep 5 00:58:58 2007. Thanks jimmymc25, and thanks all of you.Chuck |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 5 18:11:17 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Sep 5 11:08:27 2007. What you say about insurance and everything else is correct. But Okay Ron, if they were absolutely not concerned over the possibility of a hijack, explain the rationale for the unusual disclaimer at the conclusion of the film. Why not just thank the TA for their assistance in the production of the film? Why say the opposite? |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Sep 5 22:38:21 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 5 18:11:17 2007. EXCELLENT QUESTION!now we just have to wait for a GOOD answer...... |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Sep 5 22:52:56 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by E Line Fan on Wed Sep 5 15:52:18 2007. 'Love is beautiful and it's what makes the world go round!'you wanna make the world go round with anyone in particular here? |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Thu Sep 6 14:30:39 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by E Line Fan on Sun Sep 2 22:52:06 2007. Got that list of motormen discharged for cause I asked you to get?Yeah, 78 names. 78? But it's not too bad: 8 are dead, 22 were rehired, 11 in jail, 26 moved away, 1 is in a mental institution and another is a member of the NY Police Department. That's our man right there! Sorry to disappoint you Zachary, but he was accounted for. All right, how many does that leave us? Only 9. Only 9, all right let's get going! Vader |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 6 15:28:55 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by Lord Vader on Thu Sep 6 14:30:39 2007. Listen, you want to make yourself useful? Get personnel and have 'em get together a list of all motormen discharged for cause during the past five to ten years.What are you looking for? Somebody down there knows how to drive a train; you don't pick that up watching Sesame Street. Tell 'em we need it today. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Sep 10 20:31:11 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 5 18:11:17 2007. What did the disclaimer say? I don't remember what it said. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 11 19:59:59 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Sep 10 20:31:11 2007. http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=483773 |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 11 21:29:03 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Sep 11 19:59:59 2007. Thank you.The TA was making clear that the agency did not instruct the production company on how to hijack a subway train. That's more of a legal consideration than anything else. After the movie aired, if a crime victim were to sue the TA on the grounds the agency were reckless in showing a crook "how to do" something, the TA could point to the disclaimer. With tens of thousands of employees, ex-employees and retirees who know how to run a train, "cut" a train, and have been through the tunnels, it would be impossible to keep them all from describing what they know to a crook. It's not something the TA can worry about, because there's no point to worrying about it. But the TA can and does worry about lawsuits. By the way, the TA did render some technical assistance. The agency didn't provide a hijack manual but they provided equipment, station platforms, electrically live tracks and personnel who monitored the safety of the production crew and told them what they could do, when they could do it and when they could not do it. I had a license from the TA in the mid 1980s to produce an officially sanctioned computer game in the 1980s. It was programmed in GFA Basic and later in C on the Atari ST and IBM PC (DOS 6.0) The TA, in its contract, said I could not depict violence on the subway system. I reminded the attorney at 347 Madison Av about Pelham 1-2-3. The reply was "We don't intend to make a movie like that again on TA property. Inote that Money Train was filmed in Los Angeles, not New York. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 11 21:56:44 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 11 21:29:03 2007. Actually, the TA went out of their way to assist the production company on "how to hijack a subway train" by deliberately showing methods that couldn't possibly work. So I doubt even this would have been useful as the movie depcited a completely useless way of going about it.You're right though, anyone who's ever done it knows PRECISELY how it could have worked out successfully but you won't hear it from ME either. :) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Wed Sep 12 00:47:39 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 11 21:56:44 2007. Yet the result was a film whose premise was plausible and flavor authentic. And that made it a winner. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 12 01:03:05 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by RonInBayside on Wed Sep 12 00:47:39 2007. Absolutely! But the premise of "ZPTO" ... well ... heh. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 12 10:33:21 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 11 21:29:03 2007. Once again, I've got no argument with anything you've said here. It is all correct. However, my original point was that the TA was worried about a train being hijacked as a result of this movie, and I still believe that is the case. And yes, they wanted to protect themselves legally, in case someone did try. They did render technical assistance, as you also point out, which makes the disclaimer untrue.I think the credits could have been more accurately worded as follows: We thank the New York City Transit Authority for allowing parts of the film to be made on their property and for the equipment they provided. However they did not provide technical assistance... The credits as written provide a disservice to the TA by making it seem as if it was made against their will and without them supervising any of the action. We will never see another movie like the original Taking of Pelham 1 2 3, or negative closing credits again. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Sep 12 18:11:07 2007, in response to Re: THE TAKING OF PELHAM 123, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Sep 11 21:29:03 2007. I also was working on a NYC subway computer game in the 1980s but never finished it. You seem to have gotten further than I did. Did you ever produce any for sale? |
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