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Posted by mambomta on Wed Jul 4 15:17:54 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 13:56:13 2007. Nobody likes a local train that takes 5 hours to get somewhere when they can get to that same somewhere using the power of the Express train that gets there in a fraction of the time.If the local takes 5 hours, then the express will take 4 hours and 55 minutes. |
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Posted by mambomta on Wed Jul 4 15:19:10 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 14:02:16 2007. Therefore, I would avoid your silly plan.Then it just took you about 5 more minutes than if you just took the local straight there. You lose. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Wed Jul 4 15:33:05 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Rapid Transit Guy on Wed Jul 4 14:49:40 2007. Lex express can save up to 9-10 minutes... |
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Posted by subway nutz on Wed Jul 4 15:36:38 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 10:56:15 2007. I'd start with every other E and F train skipping Roosevelt. Having all express trains bypass that station sounds too extreme to me |
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Posted by subway nutz on Wed Jul 4 15:40:02 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 00:23:17 2007. And add to the fact that they hold up the doors when the train is trying to leave, only to increase dwell time, and they can't let go of the misconception that express=fast, local=slow. |
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Posted by Rapid Transit Guy on Wed Jul 4 15:50:48 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 20:49:49 2007. How many stops a train makes and whether its local or express has nothing to do with the possibility of being late to work. If that's a big concern for many riders, all they have to do leave home earlier. It has been said here, in transit reports on TV and radio "Always allow for extra travel time". |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 4 15:51:00 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Railman718 on Wed Jul 4 14:47:39 2007. He'll also find out that the E is far from excellent. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 4 16:02:19 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 15:42:59 2007. Oh... sucks for them. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 4 16:02:28 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by subway nutz on Wed Jul 4 15:36:38 2007. You'd have uneven loading on trains that stop there vs. those that don't, passenger confusion on the part of riders east of Roosevelt who want to get off there and crowding problems on the platform. There is not much room on the south end of the platform and the riders like to congregate there rather than moving to the rear. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jul 4 16:29:57 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Wed Jul 4 15:33:05 2007. "Lex express can save up to 9-10 minutes.."Of coruse it can... When they arent running ATS... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 4 17:01:02 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 4 11:41:31 2007. While I am all for an express down Jamaica Ave on that stretch, I don't think replacing Fulton is necessary. THAT is where the people are, not along Jamaica Ave where the cemetery is. That stretch is all well and good for the bypass express track, but there's no reason the local shouldn't stay on Fulton. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 4 17:36:00 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 4 17:01:02 2007. The cemetary ends near Cleveland St, and the people go where the subway is. If this had been done years ago, Fulton St would look like it does in Queens, where it's called 91st Ave. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 4 17:49:59 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Rapid Transit Guy on Wed Jul 4 15:50:48 2007. How many stops a train makes and whether its local or express has nothing to do with the possibility of being late to work. If that's a big concern for many riders, all they have to do leave home earlier.Also, if being on time is important it helps to pick a route whose VARIABILITY is low. My guess is that the V has lower variability in its trip time because it doesn't have the huge crowds delaying trains. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 4 18:06:35 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 4 17:36:00 2007. It's a much longer walk to Jamaica Ave for most of those people than it is to Fulton St. It's more useful on Fulton St than on Jamaica Ave. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 4 18:08:21 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 4 11:32:05 2007. It's not a big deal actually, but mamy Eastern Division riders have a minimum three seat ride! |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 18:25:23 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by mambomta on Wed Jul 4 15:19:10 2007. Let's bring up the 63rd Drive to Chambers commute again, shall we?What do you think is better: taking the R directly to City Hall station (which is at Chambers Street), or transfer at Roosevelt and taking the Excellent Express to Chambers? Let's do the stop count again. R train: 24 stops. Excellent Express: 16 stops. Plus the E is the Express, which means it goes much faster in speed than the local, which has to constantly stop. The R averages around 30-35 MPH, while the E can hit up to 45 going Express. I'd rather ride in a nice fast railfan window R32 E train than sit in some slow tin can R train stopping like 6 million times. |
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Posted by (X) 2nd Avenue Local on Wed Jul 4 19:06:56 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 4 16:02:28 2007. Which makes that idea of express trains--whether all or every other one--a bad idea to begin with. It will solve nothing regarding the problem that has plagued Queens Blvd line for many years--too many riders. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 4 19:26:34 2007, in response to Re: Sending the V via the Williamsburg Bridge, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 12:26:18 2007. Nice idea, but the canarsie line's stations are among some of the least used in the system, they don't need both L and V trains, it would be of more use to Metropolitan, or even if just truncated at Broadway Junction. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Jul 4 19:59:44 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 13:56:13 2007. 2 words: fuzzy math. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Jul 4 20:03:03 2007, in response to Re: Sending the V via the Williamsburg Bridge, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 12:26:18 2007. Leave the L alone and I'd rather the Z be the true jamaica-Broadway El express. V-M = 6th Av orange M.V = express F or just retired and the F Culver express is the diamond F. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Jul 4 20:04:28 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 4 18:08:21 2007. Plus it would be a good alternative than to just jam onto the L line for direct to Midtown service. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Jul 4 20:09:10 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect - TEXT, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 3 10:54:26 2007. Have every other E and F trip simply not make Roosevelt (and QP for the E), say from 8:15-9:00AM. That'll give the folks south of Continental a good reason to "discover" that taking V or R to Manhattan doesn't suck. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 4 20:12:25 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 12:41:32 2007. They didn't shoot it down in the late 60's..They fought it in the Early 80's....as the MTA still planned on building it from the Queens Plaza area. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 4 20:15:50 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Jul 4 19:59:44 2007. Yup..and it needs a hair cut. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 4 20:17:59 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 18:25:23 2007. You have a excellent life,don't you? |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Jul 4 20:22:39 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 4 20:17:59 2007. Exactly, Edwards :D |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 4 20:29:41 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Jul 4 20:04:28 2007. Exactly. The only reason there is an exodus at Myrtle Wyckoff from the M to the Li is because all those people want midtown, anmd the L's transfer's with a THREE seat ride are more attractive than going ALL THE WAY down to Nassau to go back up again with the Nassau transfers. A one seat ride would keep many M riders on the M and off the L line, which is already bursting at the seams. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Jul 4 20:31:21 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 12:23:38 2007. I thought 179th was always the F's terminal and the E was just terminating there. Then when the Archer segment was built they gave the E its own terminal? |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Jul 4 21:28:34 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Grand concourse on Wed Jul 4 20:31:21 2007. From a previous message: "I thought 179th was always the F's terminal and the E was just terminating there. Then when the Archer segment was built they gave the E its own terminal?"Since historically the E train route was the first one established, and the F train was established in the 1940's when the Sixth Avenue line opened. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Jul 4 21:37:00 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 4 20:29:41 2007. exactly! I've stated this so many times I think I could make a mini essay out of this. |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Wed Jul 4 22:00:34 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Tue Jul 3 18:07:20 2007. <6> |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Wed Jul 4 22:02:17 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Wed Jul 4 00:49:07 2007. Exactly. But everyone crams into a 5 express, leaving the 2 at E.180 St because its "local". With all the wait time, you end up catching the local you left behind. |
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Posted by mambomta on Wed Jul 4 22:02:35 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 18:25:23 2007. What do you think is better: taking the R directly to City Hall station (which is at Chambers Street), or transfer at Roosevelt and taking the Excellent Express to Chambers?Let's do the stop count again. R train: 24 stops. Excellent Express: 16 stops. E train from Continental to WTC: 41 Minutes standing R train from Continental to Canal St: 47 minutes sitting R train from Woodhaven Blvd to Canal St: 42 Minutes sitting. Now how much faster is that E train again. Plus the E is the Express, which means it goes much faster in speed than the local, which has to constantly stop. That adds little to no time to the trip as you can see above. The R averages around 30-35 MPH, So does the E. while the E can hit up to 45 going Express. And the R can hit up to 60 going Local, so what's your point again? |
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Posted by mambomta on Wed Jul 4 22:05:35 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 4 17:36:00 2007. The cemetary ends near Cleveland St, and the people go where the subway is.The cemetary ends Highland Park Begins. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 4 22:38:29 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 18:25:23 2007. As usual, you exaggerate about stopping 6 million times. If you get off the local at Roosevelt have to wait for the E for more than 5 minutes, by the time you get to Queens Plaza the R you got off of will be well past Queens Plaza by the time your E (Excruciating Express) gets there. Plus the E will go 45 MPH between 65th St. and the curve just past the station, but after that it is hard pressed to reach 30 MPH. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Jul 4 22:43:47 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 18:25:23 2007. The E train is overrated. |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Wed Jul 4 22:46:29 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Jul 4 22:43:47 2007. Exactly. Take away the Queens Blvd portion and its just another local. And the "Excellent Express" isn't so excellent when there's a F that crosses in front of it holding it up. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 4 22:47:34 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 4 18:25:23 2007. The number of stops doesn't matter. You still have to cover the mileage to get to your destination. An R train spends hardly 30 seconds at each local stop. The real time savings of a local vs. express is slight. You are saving minutes here, not hours. How many times do the riders get off a Queens bound R at Queens Plaza, change for the express and get the same R train all over again at Roosevelt to get to 63rd Drive? How many times do they actually miss that train at Roosevelt and their scheme costs them more time than what they thought they were saving? |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Wed Jul 4 23:01:10 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by mambomta on Wed Jul 4 22:02:35 2007. 2 points:He hates the R46's and he loves that RFW so standing is not an issue. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 00:10:45 2007, in response to The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by E Line Fan on Mon Jul 2 11:15:51 2007. Let's see if I understand the gist of V line complaints. "You can get a seat and the trains are not overcrowded, therefore the line is a failure"? A-holes. That's the problem with NY'ers. If something is nice, we want to do away with it, and dub it a failure because we're so used to such low standards of living.I believe subchatter Stephen Bauman suggested that NYC Transit runs intervals on certain lines that are not necessary(based on ridership), just to keep motormen and conductors on the train all day. I didn't believe him at first, but now I'm starting to. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Thu Jul 5 00:25:16 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Pelham R62A on Wed Jul 4 22:02:17 2007. People also leave the (6) to catch the <6>, especially S/B if there is a cross platform transfer. Although going S/B it is almost always worth it to take the express. N/B if you see lights at 125 behind a (6) (likely a <6> waiting for the (6) to leave) , or a (6) has taken a while to show up, it is usually worth it to wait the the <6>. During rush hours, the <6> is generally worth waiting for in both directions (unless a major delay happens). |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 09:06:29 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Thu Jul 5 00:25:16 2007. It also depends on your destination. If you are north of Parkchester, it is worth it to take the <6>. If you are south of Parkchester, what people do is cross if the <6> is there at Hunts Point from a (6).Northbound is a different story. Many people take the <6> and go to Hunts Point always thinking that the (6) will be there. Most of the time, there is no (6) in sight between 3rd Ave-138 St and Hunts Point. As you go above ground at Whitlock Avenue, you see the (6) at Whitlock or heading towards Elder Avenue. So, commuters end up waiting at a different location for the same (6). The only time that it is worth while is if you just missed a (6) and a <6> is behind it. Then you usually pass the (6) at around 143 St or even Cypress Avenue, assuming a normal run and no delays. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Jul 5 11:36:52 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 5 00:10:45 2007. Basically one reason for of the "V-train complaints" is nostalgia. For decades the F-train ran across 53rd Street to Queens, and the G-train ran to 71st Avenue all of the time. Some folks just can not get used to the idea that the MTA could actually make a change in such "time-honored" routes.(Have you ever listened to the squawling over the fact that the MTA had the "nerve" to remove the D train off of Brighton and replace it with the B train? Or the hundredth message this year about why the M-train to Bay Parkway is the absolute worst idea since Apollo-1? Or how although "we hate the V-train" it should be extended to "somewhere" to make it "better"?) Forget the actual reasons or logic for the changes, its emotional. Some folks really like to theorize and mentally-tinker about how "they would do it better" without having a clue to the actual day-to-day realities of running an underground railroad with very high ridership. These folks will take out there color maps and draw subway lines here and there, and conjecture about various train routes. Having taken no surveys of actual ridership needs, attempted to raise any capital for such "improvements" or to have shown any basis for the changes that they seek. Few actually ever really come to review transit history, transportation policy in the real world, or come to appreciate actual transit operations and planning. There are times when I would love to actually have a "Sim-City" type game called "Transit Authority" where one could really "test" half of these ideas. Mike |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Thu Jul 5 12:24:29 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Michael549 on Thu Jul 5 11:36:52 2007. Hi Mike, What say we transport back to a more familiar time? Pay with a token to ride an aquamarine and cream R36 to Shea to see Seav and Koos; Gil and Leo then maybe stopping at Nedick's at Roosevelt Avenue whilst changing to an (EE) for 34th Street to get the (D) via Brighton express. 40¢ for the subway, a couple of dollars at the game and maybe a dollar at Nedick's. A lotta fun and not even $10. :) |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Thu Jul 5 13:59:19 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 09:06:29 2007. There is a period of 2 back to back (6) trains in the late PM rush, the (6) to Pelham Bay can get held at St Lawrence Av, behind the terminating (6) although it is scheduled to leave E 177 St-Parkchester before the <6> that is behind.<6> PELHAM BAY PARK (6) PARKCHESTER (6) PELHAM BAY PARK <6> PELHAM BAY PARK |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 14:19:16 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Thu Jul 5 13:59:19 2007. Yeah I know but it depends on which train you're on right?That's my point. The PM rush hour is a gamble. IF you take an express hoping to catch a local, you might not make the local at Hunts Point. Now, if you're on the first <6>, you're in the clear. But, if you let a (6) to Pelham Bay Park pass by at 125th St and the <6> isn't waiting at the turn right behind it, you can risk waiting approximately 10-15 minutes because of the headways around 8PM. By the time the train arrives, you get to Parkchester on a quick run but the (6) Parkchester may either to go track M or head on the local to the Unionport Yard. Regardless of where the (6) Parkchester goes, the (6) Pelham Bay will proceed first because it may not require a switch to run that train first. |
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Posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:26:18 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by mambomta on Wed Jul 4 22:02:35 2007. The E gets me from Roosevelt to Chambers in about half an hour, your timing is horribly wrong. The R train would get to maybe about 23rd or 14th Street in 47 minutes.And there is absolutely no way in any country or any planet or any galaxy or any universe those shitty R46's can go up to 60 MPH, no way, no matter what you say it is just plain impossible. I can tell you've never ridden the E train anyway since you say it goes 30 MPH which is absolutely wrong, it usually goes 45 MPH going express. At least when I ride the E it goes 45 MPH. |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 14:30:54 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:26:18 2007. Have you ever ridden the R between Queens Plaza and 59th Street Lex? I guess not because it has topped 60 MPH between those stations.those shitty R46's Those shitty R46's have gone up to 60 MPH. Try riding the stretch at night when there's no N or W in the path of it and you'll see. And, they do run some R32's during rush hours on the R so they do 60 MPH. So, before you shit on the R train be sure that you know what you're getting into because those same R32's on the R during rush hours probably run that "Excellent Express" other days of the week. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 5 14:30:59 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:26:18 2007. The E gets me from Roosevelt to Chambers in about half an hour, your timing is horribly wrong. The R train would get to maybe about 23rd or 14th Street in 47 minutes.The R takes 47 minutes to get from Roosevelt to 23rd? I find that hard to believe. I don't think I have ever spent more than a half hour on the R (under normal circumstances) between Roosevelt and about 34th St. |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Thu Jul 5 14:31:23 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Thu Jul 5 14:26:18 2007. Have you ever ridden the R between Queens Plaza and 59th Street Lex? I guess not because it has topped 60 MPH between those stations.Those shitty R46's have gone up to 60 MPH. Try riding the stretch at night when there's no N or W in the path of it and you'll see. And, they do run some R32's during rush hours on the R so they do 60 MPH. So, before you shit on the R train be sure that you know what you're getting into because those same R32's on the R during rush hours probably run that "Excellent Express" other days of the week. |
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