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Posted by R42 4787 on Sat Apr 14 23:18:37 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by J trainloco on Sat Apr 14 22:37:46 2007. One daily weekday round trip-leaves Jamaica 8:11 AM arriving LIC 8:34 AM. PM return leaves LIC 4:54, arrives Jamaica 5:16. Both are Oyster Bay trains. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Apr 15 13:31:13 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by J trainloco on Sat Apr 14 22:37:46 2007. Only one each way in revenue service(making no stops obviously). When it was open, I think it was one in one direction, and two in the other, but Chris would know better. There are lots of dead heads though across the lower montauk |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 19:14:55 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Apr 15 13:31:13 2007. That's my point. Nobody wants to go to LIC. Hunterspoint is at least useful to transfer to the subway. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 22:11:30 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Apr 15 13:31:13 2007. In the morning, before the stations closed, there were two trains, one from Patchogue, and one from Oyster Bay. The first train was the OB train, and it was the express, and the 8:11 from Jamaica. The 8:15 from Jamaica was the Patchogue train, and ran local making all stops. In the afternoon, there were also two, and they both went to Oyster Bay. one train was a full local stopping at all the stations, and the other was a semi-express stopping only at Penny Bridge, Haberman, and Fresh Pond (skipping Glendale and Richmond Hill) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 22:20:56 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 22:11:30 2007. The Lower Montauk is useless as a passenger line. Its value lies in Freight ops. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 22:51:16 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 22:20:56 2007. Who said otherwise? It's a VALUABLE freight line, about 100% of Long Island, Brooklyn, and QUeens rail freight traverses this line. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 22:54:13 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 15 22:51:16 2007. Err, you didn't, But NIMBYkiller thinks that it has a bright future as a passenger line. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Apr 16 17:49:01 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 19:14:55 2007. Neither the current nor previous services prove shit. There are only 5 trains serving LIC in each direction. The ferry connections are even worse. Boats leave every 50 minutes, at 6:35, 7:25, 8:15, and 9:05. That means for the first train, you're waiting 40 minutes. Second train, better pray it's on time. 3rd train(from OB) and the 4th train, your waiting 20-30 minutes. Last train=you miss last boat.So basically, only one train is useful. That's not going to get riders. There needs to be better coordination. And again, I'm saying keep it as a valve. I don't see the point in throwing in a 5th track to Woodside(which, once again, will screw up the flow when you connect it to the Port Washington line since something will be going against the grain). Once ESA and NYP fill up, and the main line is maxed out, start using the lower montauk. Also, this is purely speculation, but if Sunnyside Station IS built, then some here believe it will mean HPA will be closed. If that's the case, then good. Now you can use the main line strictly for Manhattan bound trains, and once that and the Brooklyn are maxed out, LIC via lower Montauk it is |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Apr 16 17:53:13 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 22:54:13 2007. Not a bright future, but a future. Like I said, it can be used as a valve in the future when the main and Brooklyn lines get maxed out. At that point, I'd say throw the stations back in as well. There were people riding in the past despite the limited service. The reason ridership never climbed was b/c the service sucked and even if you were knew the train stopped there, you still had that shred of doubt b/c the stations didn't resemble anything close to a station. There is potential for more riders(not a whole lot, but it's there). People work in factories and not everyone drives. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 16 18:01:35 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 15 19:14:55 2007. Most people who use Long Island City go to a destination in the area (at least from my observation), if I went there, and I had no knowledge of the area, I would never guess there was a ferry terminal close by without reading signs. When I rode a train originating from there, about 10 people boarded the only open car. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 16 18:21:38 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 16 18:01:35 2007. They can also use Vernon-Jackson, but that's probably only people that just happen to be on the train before Jamaica, as otherwise I assume they would take a HP train. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 16 19:56:21 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 16 18:21:38 2007. That's how I got to the station myself, though the connection at Hunterspoint Avenue seems to be an easier one to make. I think that there should at least be signs on the street directing you to the station (even if it is under-utilized) as there is no view of the station from any of the exits at the Vernon-Jackson station nor any direction besides that it's a 3-block walk. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Tue Apr 17 11:59:39 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by daDouce Man on Sat Apr 14 19:11:40 2007. 1987 IIRC |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 17 12:08:29 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Tue Apr 17 11:59:39 2007. Yeah, it was definitely either then or earlier, as it was before I really paid attention to stuff like that... |
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Where to find 'em...(Re: Abandoned LIRR stations) |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Wed May 9 19:18:41 2007, in response to Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Apr 4 23:59:29 2007. Here are all the stations from the 1999 Hagstrom NYC 5-Borough Pocket Atlas. Elmhurst and Corona were Photshopped in.Hope this helps. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 9 19:29:10 2007, in response to Where to find 'em...(Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by R42 4787 on Wed May 9 19:18:41 2007. Nice work! If only Glendale was open with sunday service, things would be so much easier for me this weekend |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 9 20:28:52 2007, in response to Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Apr 4 23:59:29 2007. From the photos...it looks like Fresh Pond never had a chance to have full light and platforms of any kind. What a shame for a once mighty railroad. I remember as a teen riding on the Port Washington and getting off at Elmhurst to walk down to the Queens Center Mall and A&S back in the day. While they claim low ridership and the opening of the near by subway station, I think people would have used the station as an option to get to and from the city. Much safer mode in travling late at night and quicker. Or for people wanting to leave the car at home and just walk down to the mall. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 9 20:36:28 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 9 20:28:52 2007. I'd probably shop at Queens Center more than RFM if Elmhurst was still open |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 9 20:48:55 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 9 20:36:28 2007. That's what I mean....the area so changed that people desire MORE transportation options and are willing to pay. Instead of paying a bus fare and 2 buses to get to QCM from Bayside...I'd rather take the train. I am sure that people clubbing in the city would rather take a safe mood of transport at 3am than use the subway late at night. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Wed May 9 21:00:57 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 9 20:36:28 2007. When Elmhurst station was open, did it have weekend service or was it only limited weekday trips? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 9 21:35:22 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Wed May 9 21:00:57 2007. On the weekends....they stopped there always. During the week, the service was similiar to Aurburndale, or Broadway or Murray Hill. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 9 22:39:17 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 9 20:48:55 2007. Much driving is not done for work but for pleasure. Have you ever tried to re-enter the NYC metro area on a Sunday evening?What is this the 80's? The subway is "unsafe" at 3 AM? While I would probably rather take the LIRR late at night, it's smostly because it's faster, and if it's late, and I'm very tired...., not because it's "safer" |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Thu May 10 00:59:52 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed May 9 21:35:22 2007. Was Elmhurst closed due to low ridership, as I heard? What was the station like, with a station agent or it unmanned with just platforms and staircases? |
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Posted by R30A on Thu May 10 02:37:40 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 9 22:39:17 2007. and also... even if it was open, how many LIRR trains would there be to stop at glendale at 3 am?heh... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 06:47:23 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R30A on Thu May 10 02:37:40 2007. Ooops, I guess you know what I was quoting.... The quote that actually shows up was something from another thread, I guess it didn't copy for the one above accidentally, and I didn't notice.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 06:50:25 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Thu May 10 00:59:52 2007. Most stations were manned at one time, so I am sure Elmurst was at one time, but i severely doubt it was at the end. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Thu May 10 13:36:49 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 06:50:25 2007. It's funny, being a regular in the area notice that the old Elmhurst station sits right in the middle of a booming commercial strip along Broadway. Hundreds of area locals walk, ride or drive by the old station. It would make sense it it was open today. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu May 10 14:48:31 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R30A on Thu May 10 02:37:40 2007. Uhh, I thought we were talking bout Elmhurst. In which case, the answer is service every 2 hours each way |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu May 10 16:13:29 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Thu May 10 13:36:49 2007. This is EXACTLY what I mean....the entire area is BOOMING with new construction, both commercial and residential, that people would be willing to use it as an alternative to get into and out of the city. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu May 10 16:16:30 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Thu May 10 00:59:52 2007. As far as I can remember, there was no ticket office at Elmhurst. It was closed because of low ridership at the time and also with the opening of the subway stop near by, LIRR felt it made no sense to keep it open. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu May 10 16:22:03 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 9 22:39:17 2007. It is by far safer...why do you ask? simple economics...if the LIRR costs more to ride than taking the subway, what sort of crowd of people do you really think you are going to encounter at 3am? On the LIRR you are less liking to encounter kids in groups causing mischief or even unruley homeless people. Do you get my point now? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu May 10 16:27:53 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu May 10 16:22:03 2007. Hahahaha. Seems you've never been on the drunk train, which, coincidentally, gets through that area at about 3am |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Thu May 10 16:35:08 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu May 10 16:16:30 2007. The Elmhurst Avenue IND station opened in 1936. Elmhurst station did not closed until 1985. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu May 10 16:37:59 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu May 10 16:27:53 2007. I have...but my point is....on the LIRR, the conductors manage things way differently then on the subways. I feel more secure about my surroundings then going on the subways late at night. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 17:44:14 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu May 10 16:22:03 2007. simple economics...if the LIRR costs more to ride than taking the subway, what sort of crowd of people do you really think you are going to encounter at 3am?IRR stations are free to enter, while subway stations cos t a fare to enter. Where would you rather wait at night....the Nostrand Ave LIRR station, or the NOstrand Ave A station? Do you get my point now? No. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri May 11 14:08:43 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 10 17:44:14 2007. Nostrand Avenue IND. I wouldn't want to be station on a deserted, empty plarform at night. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri May 11 14:42:41 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Wed May 9 21:00:57 2007. According to LIRR Historian, Dave Keller:ELMHURST First station OPENED: 1855, RAZED: 1888 Second station OPENED: DEC/1888, HIGH PLATFORMS: 1912, Razed 1927 Third Station (elevated) 1927, OUT OF SVC: 1/1/85 AND RAZED. |
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Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations) |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Jul 27 19:53:26 2007, in response to Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by R42 4787 on Wed Apr 4 23:59:29 2007. The page has been updated, with the addition of the Richmond Hill station. Browse from page 3 or take a look at this sampler:    (Why would former NJ governor Brendan Byrne of Continential Airlines Arena fame have a plaza for him in Richmond Hill?)   |
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Posted by Dan on Fri Jul 27 20:02:28 2007, in response to Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by R42 4787 on Fri Jul 27 19:53:26 2007. Nice photos. The tracks on the elevated Woodhaven station look to be intact, surprising since they haven't been used in ages. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jul 27 20:09:51 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Dan on Fri Jul 27 20:02:28 2007. The tracks are used daily, by 2 scheduled LIRR trains as well as freight. |
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Posted by Zman179 on Fri Jul 27 20:40:25 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Dan on Fri Jul 27 20:02:28 2007. The station is still maintained by the LIRR, that is why the station closing sign has only one tag on it after ten years. Plus, the platform gets either painted or sandblasted once in a while to remove the painted graffiti. Believe me, the painted graffiti is a lot different than what was there not too long ago. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 27 21:32:54 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Apr 5 16:57:07 2007. ["Actually, there were about 4 or 5 regular users of this station...which was high for the line. You would get about 4 or 5 daily users, and about 1 or 2 random users there, more than any of the other LIC stations."]No, Long Island City had more riders.
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 27 23:06:23 2007, in response to Re: Abandoned LIRR stations, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jul 27 21:32:54 2007. No kidding.....but that one's not abandoned! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 27 23:07:34 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jul 27 20:09:51 2007. He's go to mean the Woodhaven Station on the ROckaway Line..... |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jul 27 23:44:00 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 27 23:07:34 2007. But that wasn't pictured in the photos in question... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 04:21:58 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jul 27 23:44:00 2007. I know, but don't kill the messanger.....I think that's what he must have meant. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 11:41:20 2007, in response to Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by R42 4787 on Fri Jul 27 19:53:26 2007. Nice shots. I wonder if Richmond Hill had had more ridership before the bilevels were put into service, would it be open today? As you can see, it's the most elaborate station on the whole line, including LIC. It looks a lot more like a subway station. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 11:46:02 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 11:41:20 2007. The problem with Richmond Hill was it's proximity to Jamaica... Back in the local service days, it only had one regular user, and I think that was only in the morning....none in the afternoon. It was the only "real" station on the line, but it was next to Penny Bridge in ridership. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 11:46:12 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by Dan on Fri Jul 27 20:02:28 2007. If you stand at that corner every weekday at 8:15 AM and 5:22 PM, you'll see actual in-service passanger trains come crawling through. Though I know it's used as a freight line, I must say I've never, ever witnessed any freight service go through this station. The bulk of the NY & A freight service diverges down the Bay Ridge line in Glendale. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 11:51:10 2007, in response to Re: Update: with Richmond Hill (Re: Abandoned LIRR stations), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jul 28 11:46:02 2007. I think the proximity of the el killed off any ridership. With a cheaper alternative which actually goes into Manhattan, why would anyone in the area choose this station? Of course, if Jahns had an employee who lived in Oyster Bay, this station would be VERY convenient...for him or her. The only time this station is of any value is during potential Amtrak strikes which would lock the LIRR out of Penn Station. It can be used as an x-fer point from LIRR diesels to the J line at 121st St (this was actually done in 1987). |
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