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A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway |
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Posted by Nabinut on Thu Feb 1 09:49:57 2007 This morning on my way to conduct some business, i shot these trains all in rush hour service:Heading toward Downtown  Heading towards the county  Training bus and train in motion: 
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 1 09:52:03 2007, in response to A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Nabinut on Thu Feb 1 09:49:57 2007. Nice.I need to ride that subway. And the light rail. And get pics. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Thu Feb 1 09:56:33 2007, in response to A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Nabinut on Thu Feb 1 09:49:57 2007. Thanks for the verity.John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Feb 1 11:38:58 2007, in response to A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Nabinut on Thu Feb 1 09:49:57 2007. I wonder if those cars have the same cool door-closing chimes as their sister cars in Miami. |
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Posted by JohnL on Thu Feb 1 11:54:19 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Feb 1 11:38:58 2007. I always thought chimes are chimes. What’s special about these ones? |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Thu Feb 1 12:17:15 2007, in response to A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Nabinut on Thu Feb 1 09:49:57 2007. Good choice, since images of the Baltimore Metro are rarely seen. I always noticed a coincidental simiarity in both the exterior and interior of the Baltimore Metro cars ahd those of LA Metro's Red Line (I even though for a while that the Baltimore Metro were actually built by Breda, not Budd/TransitAmerica!) |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Feb 1 13:11:20 2007, in response to A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Nabinut on Thu Feb 1 09:49:57 2007. Are those still the 1983 cars?-w- |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Thu Feb 1 13:22:29 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Feb 1 13:11:20 2007. Yes. Only one model built so far. |
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Posted by Red Line to Glenmont on Thu Feb 1 14:02:24 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by JohnL on Thu Feb 1 11:54:19 2007. They sound like a broken guitar. I think the ones in Baltimore no longer are F followed by B, and diminished 5th, thank goodness. Baltimore and Miami are so similar, that sometimes when I'm riding past Cold Spring Lane, I think I'm near Coconut Grove. |
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Posted by Nabinut on Thu Feb 1 14:45:24 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Feb 1 13:11:20 2007. They went through a rehab back in 2004-2005 that included a Clever Devices installation and new seat covers. The chime spoken about has also been replaced on some of the early rehabs but the later has it that interrupts the voice before closing |
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Posted by wzlirr on Thu Feb 1 15:03:26 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Nabinut on Thu Feb 1 14:45:24 2007. I haven't been on the Balto Subway since the first ERA-NYD trip several years back. Does anyone know if the passenger counts have risen -- it's a nice line, but lightly patronized. I also remember the Balto pronunciation of the station "Mondawmin" as something like "Modammin". |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Feb 1 17:07:13 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by R42 4787 on Thu Feb 1 12:17:15 2007. I may be wrong but I don't think the resemblance between the Miami/Baltimore Metro cars and the LA Red Line cars is completely coincidental. I believe the original idea was to get LA's system up and operating around the same time as the Baltimore and Miami systems, with all three ordering a 'standard' subway car. I came across a USDOT/FTA (or maybe it was still UMTA) article in Railway Age from the late 1970s which made reference to the three systems, and the prospects for decreasing the costs of subway construction through the use of standardized components. Of course this has completely not come to pass and both attempts to take advantage of standardized transit rolling stock in the US to fuel expansion, be it subway or LRT, have failed miserably. I may be wrong, but I think the strangest thing about the article was that it mentioned the Budd/TransitAmerica subway cars possibly being chopped down to size and built for SEPTA's Broad Street Subway, and MBTA's Red Line. Of course in the end SEPTA went with Kawasaki for the B-IVs in 1981 and the MBTA with UDTC for the 01700s in 1987.As for why the Bredas look so similar to the Budd/TransitAmerica cars I'm afraid I have nothing concrete. Based on that Railway Age article I'm willing to bet that when LA's politicians were dragged kicking and screaming into the Red Line and the very ground the subway was being built through conspired against the effort the delays mounted to the point that when it finally came time to order the cars Budd had long before bowed out of the railcar business and LA was left with nobody to build their "standard" subway cars. LA has never been known for being particularly revolutionary with their transit (at least since PE folded), so they probably just drew up a car slightly different from the Budd car and shopped it around at the railcar builders then looking for US contracts. Breda got the contract and built the semi-Budd knockoffs. The somewhat amusing thing is that while the Red Line is the newest subway in the country its operation is nearly identical to the 10 year older Baltimore and Miami systems. The trains use wide-cab OPTO even though by 1990 a closed circuit TV OPTO would have been easily doable. Wayside signalling with (IIRC, and if I'm wrong I apologize) trip arms rule the road and no form of automatic train control exists anywhere on the system. The line opened in 1993, yet its operation is the exact same as systems almost 10 times its age (such as SEPTA's BSS, MBTA's Red, Yellow, and Blue lines, the CTA L, etc). It's almost as though the designers were looking to create one big anachronism, and if they were they certainly succeeded. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 1 17:24:23 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by WillD on Thu Feb 1 17:07:13 2007. Maybe they just wanted to stick with the tried and true. Sometimes the use of new technology backfires. I remember when BART got started (this was admittedly decades ago), the computerized train operation system has many glitches. |
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Posted by Nabinut on Thu Feb 1 19:03:27 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by WillD on Thu Feb 1 17:07:13 2007. When MTA wanted to start subway service, the Rohr car design was what they originally chosen to go with but i have no clue how budd ended up providing the cars |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Feb 1 19:44:00 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Nabinut on Thu Feb 1 19:03:27 2007. Since the tunnels/tubes are larger than WMATA's the MTA went for a larger car. When the car purchase was bid, Budd was the low bidder. They were also the low bidder when Miami bought their cars. They are identical to our first group of cars, the only difference is we have front signs, Miami's don't.The MTA borrowed the Rohr model for some of the early planning meetings, and strangely, it was lost and never returned to them. Nobody knows what happened to it, although I would not be surprised to find it stuffed in the rafters in a box in Building 8 someday. |
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Posted by chicagopcclcars on Fri Feb 2 01:07:35 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by wzlirr on Thu Feb 1 15:03:26 2007. On the outer end where it runs alongside the Interstate, the trains had a higher speed limit than the automobiles. The latter would speed trying to race the trains. Eventually the train speeds were lowered.David Harrison |
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Posted by PATHman on Fri Feb 2 13:55:32 2007, in response to A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Nabinut on Thu Feb 1 09:49:57 2007. Is it a subway or a light rail? I heard conflicting information but based on its resemblance to the Miami Metrorail I'd guess it's a subway. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 2 13:56:18 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by PATHman on Fri Feb 2 13:55:32 2007. Subway. |
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Posted by Mark Michalovic on Fri Feb 2 21:38:34 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by PATHman on Fri Feb 2 13:55:32 2007. Is it a subway or a light rail? I heard conflicting information but based on its resemblance to the Miami Metrorail I'd guess it's a subway.Baltimore has one heavy subway line, shown in Nabinut's great pictures, and it also has two light rail lines. I was down there this fall and got to ride the subway and the light rail (and MARC commuter rail, too). I really like the Maryland flag decals on the light rail cars. The subway looks good, too. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Fri Feb 2 23:28:10 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Mark Michalovic on Fri Feb 2 21:38:34 2007. Baltimore has one heavy subway line, shown in Nabinut's great pictures, and it also has two light rail lines. I was down there this fall and got to ride the subway and the light rail (and MARC commuter rail, too). I really like the Maryland flag decals on the light rail cars. The subway looks good, too.Actually it’s one trunk line with two branches. The trunk runs from Hunt Valley to Cromwell/Dorsey in Glen Burnie. The branches serve Pennsylvania Station and Baltimore Washington International Airport. Service; Hunt Valley-Baltimore Washington International Airport Timonium-Cromwell/Dorsey Pennsylvania Station is served by a shuttle that runs between Mount Royal and Pennsylvania Station. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Feb 3 00:16:34 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Sand Box John on Fri Feb 2 23:28:10 2007. You mean BWI has both commuter rail/Amtrak AND subway service? |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Feb 3 08:52:54 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Feb 3 00:16:34 2007. You mean BWI has both commuter rail/Amtrak AND subway service?No. I was correcting Mark Michalovic comment saying Baltimore "also has two light rail lines". The heavy rail rapid transit line does not serve Baltimore Washington International Airport. It runs from Owings Mills to John Hopkins Hospital by way of the Downtown core. The Baltimore Metro follows a path similar to the path followed by the WMATA Red line through Washington DC. The only difference is, the east side of the U doesn’t return back out into Baltimore County. Baltimore Washington International Airport is on the south side of the city in Anna Arundel County. MTA Regional System Map Baltimore Maryland. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Mark Michalovic on Sat Feb 3 09:05:20 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Sand Box John on Sat Feb 3 08:52:54 2007. No. I was correcting Mark Michalovic comment saying Baltimore "also has two light rail lines".I'm aware that the two lines share a common trunk. But that counts as two in my book. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Feb 3 23:35:56 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Mark Michalovic on Sat Feb 3 09:05:20 2007. I'm aware that the two lines share a common trunk. But that counts as two in my book.Semantics on my part. I interpreted your post as meaning two physically separate lines. If one were to use the nomenclature used in WMATA land, (the one I like to use) the Baltimore Central Light Rail would be defined as three lines operating over four routes. I don't like to use the words route and line interchangeably John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 4 00:12:59 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Sand Box John on Sat Feb 3 23:35:56 2007. OK, so how would you describe the 8th Av express in New York? Forget the local vs. express for now - just look at the line as it splits off into 3 stations on one branch and the Rockaways on the other. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Feb 4 18:54:14 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Feb 4 00:12:59 2007. OK, so how would you describe the 8th Av express in New York? Forget the local vs. express for now - just look at the line as it splits off into 3 stations on one branch and the Rockaways on the other.Not having my copy of Peter Dougherty "Tracks of the New York City Subway" close at the moment, I would identify it as two lines running over at least seven routes. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Red Line to Glenmont on Mon Feb 5 11:34:23 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Feb 4 18:54:14 2007. I'd say the "A" train is one line with 2 branches at its southern/eastern end, and a third branch during rush hours. This corresponds to the Baltimore Light Rail have one line, with two northern branches (one very short), and two southern branches (about equal in length). |
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Posted by Red Line to Glenmont on Mon Feb 5 11:36:24 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by chicagopcclcars on Fri Feb 2 01:07:35 2007. I doubt that passenger counts have risen. The service during weekday rush hours is one train every 8 minutes; there must be a reason for that. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Feb 7 01:56:08 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Red Line to Glenmont on Mon Feb 5 11:34:23 2007. I'd say the "A" train is one line with 2 branches at its southern/eastern end, and a third branch during rush hours. This corresponds to the Baltimore Light Rail have one line, with two northern branches (one very short), and two southern branches (about equal in length).Allow me to pick some nits. One can use the terms branch and route interchangeably. I generally don’t. There are two of the routes that radiate from a zero mile post (also known as a zero chaining point). I don’t know where the zero point is, however I would hazard it’s somewhere in the vicinity of Camden Station. The branches as you call them, are routes in of themselves. Their zero chaining point may or may not be at the same location near Camden Station. When I got my copy of Peter Dougherty "Tracks of the New York City Subway" I was intrigued as to how the various segments of the system were identified the number of routes, their end and beginning points, it’s elegances and simplicity. No wonder WMATA and bart adopted a near identical system of identifying location points in their systems. On the Baltimore Light Rail there are two lines operated over the four routes. Down in WMATA land there are five lines operated over ten routes. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Mark Michalovic on Wed Feb 7 19:01:03 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Feb 7 01:56:08 2007. Sometimes I just count terminals instead of lines to make things easier, and less ambigous. It's not perfect, as sometimes a service stops at one station while other services on the same track continue further down the line. (Think of the G, for example.) |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Fri Feb 9 22:59:29 2007, in response to Re: A few snaps of MTA Maryland Subway, posted by Mark Michalovic on Wed Feb 7 19:01:03 2007. Sometimes I just count terminals instead of lines to make things easier, and less ambigous. It's not perfect, as sometimes a service stops at one station while other services on the same track continue further down the line. (Think of the G, for example.)Down in WMATA land the Blue line operates over J, C, D and G routes. Disconnected segments of the C route are shared with the Orange and Yellow lines. The Yellow lines operates over C, L, F and E routes, the L route, traversed only by the Yellow line, has no stations along it's entire length. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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