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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Oct 20 12:15:02 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 22:38:19 2006. I know a borough from where bus/bus/ferry/subway is not so uncommon. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 12:16:18 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 12:12:53 2006. I've never seen a V train with a significant load on it. In the AM rush, the lead car often has quite a few standees, but I never see all the seats taken on those R46s, and many trains have their rear cars quite empty (relative to other rush hour lines. ANY other rush hour line). |
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Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Fri Oct 20 13:20:05 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by Tunnel Rat on Fri Oct 20 11:10:45 2006. No they closed the station before I moved |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Fri Oct 20 13:22:15 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 11:44:23 2006. Eliminate the V, Run the F as a Local, and Q as Express |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Fri Oct 20 13:24:53 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Oct 20 12:05:43 2006. A $10.00 card is good for what 5 rides, for $21.00 (I think) is good for a weekly pass) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 20 13:35:00 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Fri Oct 20 13:24:53 2006. $24 dollars.. |
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Posted by MATHA531 on Fri Oct 20 13:46:48 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Fri Oct 20 13:24:53 2006. A $10 card is good for 6 rides so if you're just using the card to commute and unless you have to pay more than one fare for commute (like buys-train-bus) you're still better off with a per ride card (10 rides using the per ride card one in each direction will be $16.67)...even if you work 6 days a week (or use the subway system for a trip on Saturday), you're still better off with a per ride card ($20) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 13:48:44 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 12:16:18 2006. The trains you saw are still carrying plenty of people. Even if seats are still available, the V is doing what the TA anticipated it would do. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 13:51:28 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Fri Oct 20 13:22:15 2006. Interesting idea.For the years to come, assuming that the SAS is built, you certainly would not need two Broadway services running along Queens Blvd, because the F will connect to the Q at Lex/63rd. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 14:39:23 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Fri Oct 20 13:22:15 2006. What purpose does that serve? Then, only the E goes through 53rd, and that's not enough. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 14:41:03 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 13:48:44 2006. Last time I checked, the TA had guidelines for loading during off-peak times that the V doesn't meet during rush hours. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Oct 20 14:50:46 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 09:56:55 2006. Still, given the geography, most of the riders would be comming south just to go back north. They might as well just take the bus to a more central stop on the line. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Oct 20 14:51:02 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 11:34:13 2006. Agreed |
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Re: Brooklyn subway needs |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Oct 20 14:54:18 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by D to E to Jamaica on Fri Oct 20 06:07:13 2006. Uhhhh.....wrong section. That post was about a Bay Ridge DMU service |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Oct 20 15:15:56 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 19 20:56:39 2006. Should make the $2 fare a 2h18 unlimited. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Oct 20 15:20:57 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by J trainloco on Thu Oct 19 22:38:19 2006. bus/bus/subway is rare, because you can avoid it usually.Well, the question can be rephrased as "which bus routes don't have a transfer point to the Subway or the SI Freey?" |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Oct 20 15:25:35 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Thu Oct 19 22:36:52 2006. and you could not transfer from one to the otherUnless you rode the Flushing or Astoria Lines. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Oct 20 15:26:59 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Rail Blue on Fri Oct 20 15:25:35 2006. Actually, here's a question: how far out were the first stations where you could cross over/under on the Flushing and Astoria lines pre-unification? |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Oct 20 15:29:09 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 19 22:10:29 2006. LIJLaw Institute Journal? |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Oct 20 15:36:56 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 00:10:55 2006. Right, so link the few important areas.Yes. Use the NYW&B to E180th St instead of going to New Rochelle. Then run the DMU to 4th Av, Brooklyn. |
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Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention |
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Posted by L Train on Fri Oct 20 15:39:39 2006, in response to Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extention, posted by MATHA531 on Fri Oct 20 09:09:59 2006. You can't blame the MTA entirely (never thought I'd say that). NIMBY's killed the LGA Airtrain, Queens Blvd Super Express, and the revitalization of the Rockaway Line. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Oct 20 15:39:43 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Rail Blue on Fri Oct 20 15:29:09 2006. Long Island Jewish (Hospital) |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Oct 20 15:41:34 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 16:00:12 2006. Brooklyn is very well served by subway lines, on the whole.Much of Brooklyn is very well served indeed. But look at the Brooklyn Bus Map. Better still, get a paper copy, and get some compasses out and draw ½ mile radius circles around each station. Look at the bits outside your circles. They exist. Some of them need a subway. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Oct 20 15:42:06 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 14:41:03 2006. I have been on MANY V trains with enough riders to outshine most other B division lines |
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Posted by L Train on Fri Oct 20 15:43:32 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by MATHA531 on Thu Oct 19 18:02:26 2006. Most of the areas in Brooklyn that aren't served by the subway are residential areas that would oppose new subway lines (imagine a subway in Marine Park). |
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Posted by tydev417 on Fri Oct 20 15:56:10 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 23:59:41 2006. Well they could always invest in some pushers and pack them in those trains...
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Posted by L Train on Fri Oct 20 15:58:49 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Oct 20 00:20:07 2006. I disagree. The majority of E riders getting on at Jamaica Center use feeder bus routes to get to the terminal. Extending the E would mean that the same riders would take the E, except that they wouldn't need to use the bus to reach it. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 16:02:15 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 14:41:03 2006. You need to work on your checking. HINT: Counting every other car isn't kosher! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 16:03:06 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Oct 20 14:50:46 2006. True. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 16:09:00 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by L Train on Fri Oct 20 15:58:49 2006. But additional riders would join them. There would be a real increase in ridership beyond the bus passengers, becausea) additional routes might feed even more passengers to the line b) Local neighborhood riders who currently do not use the subway would start using it c) Developers would redevelop some properties to higher density, and some of this would get built as the subway nears completion. You could easily have 1,000 more housing units of various types set up in time for the train's debut, and 2,000 more a few years after that. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Oct 20 16:14:40 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Fri Oct 20 13:24:53 2006. The one day Fun Pass is $7 so it's only cheaper if you pay more than five times (1.666x4=6.664) on the same day. The 7 day and 30 day passes have better pricing and would make the commute cheaper. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Oct 20 16:41:10 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Rail Blue on Fri Oct 20 15:20:57 2006. Only Queens and SI has such routes. |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Fri Oct 20 16:41:29 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 13:51:28 2006. Why not, there are 2 Sixth Ave Services, and the Broadway Lines connect to more lines then the 6th Ave Does, and goes Further South then Houston St |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Fri Oct 20 16:42:18 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 20 14:39:23 2006. Put the F back on, 53rd if the Q will use 62nd |
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Posted by L Train on Fri Oct 20 16:43:41 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Fri Oct 20 16:42:18 2006. What would be the point if the F was local? |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Fri Oct 20 16:47:53 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Rail Blue on Fri Oct 20 15:41:34 2006. Especially East of the Brighton Line, nothing there until Carnarsie, that is where the Nostrand Extension and Utica Ave Lines would come in handy |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Fri Oct 20 16:49:13 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by L Train on Fri Oct 20 15:43:32 2006. The ground could not hold one, it would have to be elevated, or embankment in Marine Park. Kings Plaza is built on Land Fill from a old Garbage Dump |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 20 17:34:22 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Oct 19 16:00:12 2006. "As a whole" is like saying "here a loaf of bread..you can only take a slice..save the rest for the others..."Brooklyn contributes more than the rest of the city towards subway fare..and get little back.. Sure ,we've had improvements here and there..only because they were needed...and they didn't have much choice about fixing the faculites..or would you have rather seen them let them collasp to the ground or crumble apart? would you rather see a repeat of the late 60..early 70's when the TA decided they didn't need a particular strech of route anymore and tore them down replacing it with bus service that was far worse that the train it replaced? Queens didn't deserve the crappy hand it was dealt..and if the city of NY had the balls,they would have corrected the problem a long time ago.Moved the NIMBYS right out of the way..or paid them off..SOMETHING! First and formost...new line ARE needed here..to reach nabs that suffer from lack of rail service.. New connections are needed here..to better distrubute riders thur out the boro... While you[and others]may disagree with me..it matter little due to the fact that most of you don't live here..and others are "just passing thur" for work,or some other matter. The MTA has failed in serving its riding public..and the last thing we need is a "mouth piece" praising them for some that is their responsiblity in the first place... More to the point..they don't OWN the subways..they RENT them..and should they continue FAILING at what they were appointed to do..they should be FIRED..LEASE TERMINATED..and an authority formed that WILL do what is right for the riders. These little drops in the bucket will help some..but not others.. Such as the money spent of the LIRR route.. SAS as planned..and the 7 extention.. None of these lines will serve well enough to really make some sort of grand impact on ridership with the exception of the SAS... You REALLY want to help? Push for the SECOND SYSTEM..or its equvelent..by measure..and we 'll see some improvements...or push new routes into the so called wastelands of the city in Queens /Bronx/Brooklyn Staten Island.. Then we can say that they are doing something great for us.... Thats my piece. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Oct 20 17:41:55 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Oct 20 16:41:10 2006. Only Queens and SI has such routes.True. And not all that many either. But there is still the point that Mill Basin is only served by a route going to the Brighton Line - I suspect that if you wanted the IRT (or worse still, the IND) you'd play games with buses. Ultimately, I'm far from convinced that the Brooklyn Bus Network makes sense. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 17:46:54 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Fri Oct 20 16:41:29 2006. Because Sixth Av ranks higher than Broadway as a destination. The attributes that you mention about Broadway are true, but Sixth Av still draws more riders and therefore demands more services. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Oct 20 17:48:01 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 16:09:00 2006. (For once) exactly my point. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 20 17:48:55 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Rail Blue on Fri Oct 20 17:41:55 2006. Most are left overs from the trolly days...Most in my neck of the woods have been rerouted and combined with other routes... Never the less..its still a jumble of craziness. |
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Posted by Alex L. on Fri Oct 20 17:52:32 2006, in response to Bay Ridge NYCT Line Diagram (Was: Re: Flatbush Avenue Brooklyn College extension), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Oct 19 22:29:49 2006. And then compare Brians's first image with this undated one that I picked up somewhere:
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Oct 20 18:05:24 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 17:46:54 2006. Incorrect. Broadway ranks higher as a destination than Sixth Avenue. This was discussed at length back during the Manhattan bridge construction. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Oct 20 18:07:54 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 17:46:54 2006. No, I always heard the Broadway Line is the more desired route. |
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Posted by #1 Brighton Exp Bob on Fri Oct 20 18:37:21 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by L Train on Fri Oct 20 16:43:41 2006. The Q would be Express via 62nd St, There would be no need for the V. The Q is never more then 2 block walk from 6th Ave. Or continue the V, and run both F and Q Rush Hours Only |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Fri Oct 20 18:56:02 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu Oct 19 20:56:39 2006. ...or if you take three buses.The Q79 has an extra transfer though, since it doesn't really go anywhere. |
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Posted by R4 Bryn Mawr LCL/R5 Paoli EXP on Fri Oct 20 18:57:22 2006, in response to Re: Brooklyn subway needs, posted by Rail Blue on Fri Oct 20 15:36:56 2006. That doesn't exist anymore. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 19:32:55 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Oct 20 17:48:01 2006. We're allowed to agree once in a while. I checked the rules. Page 228 subparagraph D, footnote 3. :0) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Oct 20 19:38:08 2006, in response to Re: Extending E may not work well, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Oct 20 18:05:24 2006. If that is the case, then logically the Queens Blvd. corridor would look like this:Express: One Broadway line and one Sixth Av line Local: One Broadway Line and one Eighth Av line (or some variation of this). But in fact it does not, and has never operated like that (except for temporary diversions). I take that to mean MTA does not agree with your ranking. But maybe there is another reason. Care to elaborate? |
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