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Re: what do you mean by Underruning 3rd rail? (was LIRR ESA) |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Wed May 24 07:55:24 2006, in response to Re: what do you mean by Underruning 3rd rail? (was LIRR ESA), posted by Fytton on Wed May 24 04:25:39 2006. Me: "And Southern EMUs are always at least two cars (married pairs in NYC parlance) and more commonly 3,4,5 or 6 cars."Rail Blue: "And often 8 (especially on the Western Section), or 10 or 12 on a few lines." I meant the lengths of the permanently-coupled multiple units. Ah. There are some exceptions: 8001 - the 8-VAB - this was technically splittable 5/3, but in practice was always run as one train - the "halves" were essentially VEPs, but one with a vehicle missing and one with a MkI buffet inserted. 8-DIGs and 8-MIGS - essentially a 4-CIG permanantly lashed up to a 4-BIG - in the case of the MIGs, the buffet space was reduced to a "micro-buffet" so that more seating could be squeezed in. 8-GATs (aka Class 460) - the new Gatwick Express trains are real 8-car units. |
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Re: what do you mean by Underruning 3rd rail? (was LIRR ESA) |
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Posted by Deaks on Wed May 24 08:09:23 2006, in response to Re: what do you mean by Underruning 3rd rail? (was LIRR ESA), posted by Wado MP73 on Tue May 23 17:38:32 2006. I believe that the Class 73s' diesel engine was used by some drivers when arrving at/departing from the airport, to give a smoother ride when crossing gaps in the third rail as the train switched tracks.When used for more than a brief period on diesel power - particularly when driven hard as would be necessary on the Gatwick Express - 73s are well known for overheating. Apparently the diesel engine is only intended for minimal use, and the cooling system is low capacity. |
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Re: LIRR East Side Access |
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Posted by JRice on Wed May 24 08:27:36 2006, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 23 19:23:57 2006. The station contributes nothing for the goal East Side Access. It was a political addition to the project. Since Amtrak has no interest in stopping at such a station, and Hunter's Point exists, what purpose would Sunnyside Station serve? |
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Re: LIRR East Side Access |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 24 09:21:40 2006, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access, posted by JRice on Wed May 24 08:27:36 2006. The Sunnyside Station will be along the alignment of the East Side Access. Hunterspoint Ave is not. It's not even possible to stop trains at Hunterspoint that are going to Penn. Hunterspoint Ave's sole purpose is for people traveling to the East Side of Manhattan. It's convenient for the LIRR too, as the diesel fleet has to go to LIC yard anyway, passing by, so it works out well.Once East Side access opens to Grand Central, Hunterspoint Ave will be unneccessary and will probably be closed. (If anything, it will become a ghost town). Sunnyside station will be along the line to GC, and trains will have to pass by anyway. |
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Re: what do you mean by Underruning 3rd rail? (was LIRR ESA) |
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Posted by Fytton on Wed May 24 10:13:33 2006, in response to Re: what do you mean by Underruning 3rd rail? (was LIRR ESA), posted by Wado MP73 on Tue May 23 17:38:32 2006. "older Southern locos had a flywheel-generator system to keep the motors rolling for a while"That's right - I'd forgotten that. "Gatwick Express was loco hauled but I've never seen it using the diesel part of Class 73" Of course - I misremembered, I was thinking the Gatwick Express had the pure electric class 33s, but it did of course have the electrodiesels. "The Met of course used loco hauled trains too" Yep, until the early 190s when the electrification beyond Rickmansworth happened. They replaced the electric locos with steam locos at Rickmansworth. I'm not sure what they did about gapping out, though. |
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Re: what do you mean by Underruning 3rd rail? (was LIRR ESA) |
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Posted by Deaks on Wed May 24 11:24:16 2006, in response to Re: what do you mean by Underruning 3rd rail? (was LIRR ESA), posted by Fytton on Wed May 24 10:13:33 2006. Of course - I misremembered, I was thinking the Gatwick Express had the pure electric class 33s, but it did of course have the electrodiesels.The pure-electric locos were class 71s I am certain (33s being diesels), although some were converted to class 74s following installation of a diesel engine, a la class 73s. A book I have states that it would have been cheaper to purchase new-build class 74s rather than convert from 71s, such was the complexity of the operation. I believe that 33s, 71s, 73s and 74s were all able to work in 'push-pull' mode with certain types of Southern EMUs, though. |
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Re: ALP48 locomotive.... seriously? |
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Posted by tydev417 on Wed May 24 20:19:33 2006, in response to Re: ALP48 locomotive.... seriously?, posted by WillD on Mon May 22 23:06:30 2006. You know that looks very familiar: I saw this train in ProTrain 11 for MSTS |
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Re: LIRR East Side Access |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 24 20:38:24 2006, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 24 09:21:40 2006. No, Sunnyside will NOT be on the way to GCT. It will only be possible for NYP service. |
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Re: LIRR East Side Access |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 24 20:40:33 2006, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access, posted by JRice on Wed May 24 08:27:36 2006. Sunnyside Station is to be located at Queens Blvd. Look at all the subway lines that run right there. HPA just has the 7, which becomes pointless once ESA is complete. Sunnyside will have E,V,R, and sometimes G. |
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Re: LIRR East Side Access |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 24 20:44:09 2006, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 24 01:44:52 2006. Sunnyside wont be connected to the ESA tracks. Only NYP bound trains(and maybe HPA/LIC if they still exist) will stop at Sunnyside. |
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Re: LIRR East Side Access |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 24 20:58:33 2006, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 22 22:09:52 2006. Go down the subway steps at 33rd and 8th Ave on the south west corner.Find steps on the West side of the avenue that go *UP* to the "LIRR" platforms. You will find yourself up on a bridge, with steps down to the LIRR platforms (but not to the AMTK or NJT platforms. Look to the west and tell me what you see. Mr Lion, according to the NJT website, there are plans to extend this LIRR area to include tracks 1-12 also. MEOW! |
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Re: LIRR East Side Access |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 24 21:00:13 2006, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue May 23 10:16:01 2006. ROARWOOF! WOOF! NJT's new station under Macy's WILL have 8 new tracks. Trains using the current tunnel from NJ or the new Tunnel from NJ will be able to use Penn/ Moynihan OR 34th Street Station (The new station under Macy's near 6th avenue) |
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Re: LIRR East Side Access |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 24 21:26:11 2006, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 24 20:38:24 2006. Oh okay, but they are still being built in conjuntion with ESA. It would be redundant to have both Hunterspoint and Sunnyside stations when ESA is open. Again, Hunterspoint main reason for existing is easier access to the east side for LIRR riders. |
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Re: LIRR East Side Access |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 24 22:01:35 2006, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 22 21:56:28 2006. Right now, Tracks 1-4 are stub ended (no access to Queens). They are also shorter than most tracks. They plan on extending these platforms PLUS possibly reconfiguring the area to allow access to Queens.Right now, Tracks 1-4 have no access from the west gates on the main level at NY Penn. Tracks 4 has a well hidden stairway on the east gates of the main level. The main levels has access on the west gates for 6-17 and 4-16 for the east gates in the main area. NJT's area allows tracks 1-13. The lower level west end is currently for 13-21 only with plans to extend to also serve 1-12. Exit corridor serves 1-19,central serves 13-19 and NJT serves 1-12. The central corridor COULD be extended to also serve 1-12 via a new concourse. |
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Re: LIRR East Side Access |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 24 22:10:08 2006, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 24 20:40:33 2006.  and sometimes G. But NEVER when LIRR is likely to stop there (ie at commuter hours) 
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Re: LIRR East Side Access |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 24 22:12:11 2006, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed May 24 20:44:09 2006. Yes, but it's still connected to the whole East Side access project. |
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Re: LIRR East Side Access |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 24 22:13:44 2006, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 24 20:58:33 2006. That is good. I never knew why those other tracks were not connected to this concourse.IIRC, this concourse still had the old PRR type entrance markers into the 1980s. ROAR |
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Re: LIRR East Side Access |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 24 22:15:12 2006, in response to Re: LIRR East Side Access, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 24 21:00:13 2006. Different Project entirely. |
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Re: what do you mean by Underruning 3rd rail? (was LIRR ESA) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu May 25 10:47:53 2006, in response to Re: what do you mean by Underruning 3rd rail? (was LIRR ESA), posted by Deaks on Wed May 24 11:24:16 2006. I remember the 33s and 73s working in push-pull with 4TCs on the pre-electrification Weymouth service and the Waterloo-Exeter line. Between Waterloo and Bournemouth, the 4TCs were pushed/pulled by the powerful 4REPs which later gave away its traction units to Class 442.I don't know much about Class 71 and 74. I must have books that have info on them somewhere. |
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