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Posted by Mark Michalovic on Mon May 1 14:57:04 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 1 14:19:04 2006. It goes back to the Giants days.I suppose the Giants could play a BART series against Oakland, but I'm not sure how far either stadium is from a BART station. |
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Posted by Mark Michalovic on Mon May 1 14:58:11 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by mambomta on Mon May 1 14:27:31 2006. Actually, in Chicago, you take the "El"Very close...in Chicago "L" is spelled with only one letter. |
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Posted by Brighton Private on Mon May 1 15:13:50 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Apr 30 18:12:49 2006. As a 1953 Brooklyn-born baseball fan who went on to play under the lights of Braves Field (in its reincarnation as Boston University's non-baseball athletic field) I have a little something to contribute here.The account of the reasons for the Braves move is correct, though it should be said that despite having what was originally the larger ballpark, the Braves had for many years been Boston's second team. If you look at major league attendance figures for the early 1950's, however, you will see that the Braves' attendance, though poor, was not as bad as it sounds when compared with modern day stats. in those days, most teams averaged well under 10,000 per game; in 1962, the World Champion Yankees led the league with an average of only 14,800, compared with 50,000 last year. The story of the Dodgers' departure is more complicated and there has been a great deal of revisionist history written with the recent opening by the O'Malley family of archives related to the transaction. Since this is a subway chat site and not one devoted to baseball, suffice it to say we have a common enemy: Robert Moses. While it is true that LA made O'Malley a terrific offer, it does appear he made more than a token effort to remain in Brooklyn provided he could replace increasingly decrepit (and parking-less) Ebbets Field, where attendance was declining after a post-war spike. Moses refused O'Malley's efforts to use eminent domain to condemn the land under what is now, ironically enough, the publicly owned LIRR terminal for a stadium O'Malley was otherwise willing to pay for himself. Moses wrote that it would be an improper use of eminent domain (this is before it became commonplace for cities to spend $$$$ on ballparks, as my adoptive hometown of Washington is now doing, and for which it is employing eminent domain proceedings). Moses offered the city-owned land where Shea Stadium is now, but O'Malley said no, reasoning that the team playing in Queens could no longer be considered the "Brooklyn" Dodgers. The rest is history. As for why "Subway Series?" All us subway nuts are taking it too literally. The simple fact is that the subway is a symbol of New York (and of New Yorkers), it emphasized the closeness of the two teams' homes compared to the usual distance between World Series opponents, and perhaps most important, the phrase is alliterative. No one cared about whether you could really take a subway from one stadium to the other (which, as one poster pointed out, was irrelevant anyway), or whether the players actually took the subway to games. |
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Posted by mambomta on Mon May 1 15:20:08 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by Mark Michalovic on Mon May 1 14:58:11 2006. Very close...in Chicago "L" is spelled with only one letter.Oops. Thanks for the correction. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 1 15:26:57 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by Mark Michalovic on Mon May 1 14:57:04 2006. The Oakland Coliseum is served directly by BART. There is a station behind the stadium. Not sure about the Giants; it woul ddepend on how close their ballpark is to Market St. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 1 15:29:47 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by Brighton Private on Mon May 1 15:13:50 2006. I've been to Nickerson Field twice during my college days when UConn played BU in football (before BU dropped the sport). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 1 17:54:14 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 1 13:46:01 2006. That tape (and call) was immortalized in a very popular episode of MASH. Charles should have never taken Klinger's advice. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 1 18:02:20 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 1 14:19:04 2006. I believe it dates to the 1936/37 era, which saw the Yankees and Giants play each other in the World Series (the Yankees won them both). The Yankee/Giant rivalry is often overshadowed by the Dodger/Yankee rivalry. The Dodgers sucked for much of the 20's and 30's, and didn't face the Yankees in the 'Series until 1941. The Giants faced the Yankees 4 times prior, last winning in 1922 (?). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 1 18:05:26 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by Mark Michalovic on Mon May 1 14:57:04 2006. I believe that phrase was used in 1989. It didn't catch on. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon May 1 18:28:41 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by tydev417 on Sun Apr 30 01:29:00 2006. Wikipedia strikes (out) again.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 1 18:34:24 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Mon May 1 18:28:41 2006. Interesting. This proves the phrase was in use before the 1936/37 'Series between those 2 teams. |
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Posted by Metropod on Mon May 1 18:53:42 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by WillD on Sun Apr 30 15:01:16 2006. you can take a ten foot pole from the south end of the manhattan bound platform at 161 and whack the side of Yankee stadium they're so close.at Shea there is an in fare control ramp from right next to the far 1st base side of the building |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 1 19:51:34 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 1 17:54:14 2006. That Dodger fan who recorded the broadcast deserves credit for not erasing or otherwise destroying that tape. |
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Posted by Brighton Private on Mon May 1 19:54:04 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 1 15:29:47 2006. It was an outrage to drop football. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 1 19:54:28 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 1 18:02:20 2006. The Yankees and Giants have faced each other in World Series play in 1921, 1922, 1923, 1936, 1937 and 1951. You could also throw in 1962, by which time the Giants called San Francisco home. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 1 20:05:00 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 1 19:51:34 2006. I'm sure Ralph Branca wishes he did. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 1 20:06:42 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 1 19:54:28 2006. '23 would have been the first real "subway series", since that was the first year the Yankees played in their own, new stadium in the Bronx. Until then both teams shared the Polo Grounds. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 2 12:45:38 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 1 15:26:57 2006. Pacific Bell Park (or whatever the hell it's called now) is not within walking distance of BART. However, at Embarcadero Station you can transfer (separate fare required, but you don't have to leave the station complex) to the Muni Metro N-Judah line which stops directly outside the stadium. So a SF-Oakland World Series could be the "BART/Muni" series :) |
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Posted by TeaBiscuit18thAveDude on Tue May 2 12:52:04 2006, in response to Re: why Yankee vs Mets baseball games are called ''Subway Series''?, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 2 12:45:38 2006. It's still practically the "Bay Area Series". I actually still remember alot of the details of the '89 Earthquake Series. Eerie!!!! |
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